Harvard under investigation for something it might have actually done.

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Anonymous wrote:I dislike Harvard for a number of reasons but everyone I know who has benefited from their admissions policy was a MAGA applying from a rural town in a deep red state. The applicants, of course, are completely ignorant to the fact that they were a diversity admit. Because of course they are.

really? I don't think you have visited Harvard lately. Why don't you walk around the campus, count the number of people wearing MAGA hats, and report back.

You are only imaging the stereotype of MAGA. The southern country clubs are full of preppy, well-dressed WASPy doctor/lawyer/business UMC and wealthy MAGA. They’d never own or wear the red hat, and they have impeccable manners, but they are 100% on the Trump train. Maybe you are the one who should plan a road trip.

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Anonymous wrote:I dislike Harvard for a number of reasons but everyone I know who has benefited from their admissions policy was a MAGA applying from a rural town in a deep red state. The applicants, of course, are completely ignorant to the fact that they were a diversity admit. Because of course they are.

How do you know these people and now others? In DMV?

I’ve lived in 12 cities in 8 states and two other countries. I’ve worked in rural red states for illiterate patients who don’t have health insurance and socialized with DC’s power circle. My life is no bubble.

No one you know in DC's power circle went to Harvard? Or they didn't "benefit" from Harvard's policy because they look like someone who deserves to be there?

They benefited by being rich and connected. That’s not a DEI admissions policy. That’s been true since they opened their doors.

And I’ll add, you seem to be confused about my point.

White, rural, red state admits with lower than average stats get admitted in the spirit of diversity, but they SO don’t understand DEI, they don’t realize they benefited from it. They think *they* were admitted on merit. Typical of modern republicans.

I am all for DEI. And I am disgusted by the advantage that rich, connected people have in all admissions.

Harvard should do the funniest thing - just shut out all the rich & politico families for the next 5 years. Only allow in kids with 1600 SATs. It will be 75% Asian after 5 years and wealthy MAGAs will be HOWLING.

Why do you think MAGA will be upset about admissions being merit based? We aren’t the party that freaks out over Asians being both bright and successful.

100% if it turned out this way (T10 colleges being 75% Asian), you'd see MAGA heads explode and want to cut immigration from Asian countries, and want more "holistic" approaches like location because most of the Asian Americans live in a handful of metro areas. Most of us realize that MAGA are going after brown skin people because they are the easier targets today. Once they find a final solution to that problem, they will turn onto the next group.

-Asian American whose kid got a 1600 SAT score on their first try.

Maybe it was your religion?

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Anonymous wrote:I dislike Harvard for a number of reasons but everyone I know who has benefited from their admissions policy was a MAGA applying from a rural town in a deep red state. The applicants, of course, are completely ignorant to the fact that they were a diversity admit. Because of course they are.

How do you know these people and now others? In DMV?

I’ve lived in 12 cities in 8 states and two other countries. I’ve worked in rural red states for illiterate patients who don’t have health insurance and socialized with DC’s power circle. My life is no bubble.

No one you know in DC's power circle went to Harvard? Or they didn't "benefit" from Harvard's policy because they look like someone who deserves to be there?

They benefited by being rich and connected. That’s not a DEI admissions policy. That’s been true since they opened their doors.

And I’ll add, you seem to be confused about my point.

White, rural, red state admits with lower than average stats get admitted in the spirit of diversity, but they SO don’t understand DEI, they don’t realize they benefited from it. They think *they* were admitted on merit. Typical of modern republicans.

I am all for DEI. And I am disgusted by the advantage that rich, connected people have in all admissions.

Harvard should do the funniest thing - just shut out all the rich & politico families for the next 5 years. Only allow in kids with 1600 SATs. It will be 75% Asian after 5 years and wealthy MAGAs will be HOWLING.

Why do you think MAGA will be upset about admissions being merit based? We aren’t the party that freaks out over Asians being both bright and successful.

100% if it turned out this way (T10 colleges being 75% Asian), you'd see MAGA heads explode and want to cut immigration from Asian countries, and want more "holistic" approaches like location because most of the Asian Americans live in a handful of metro areas. Most of us realize that MAGA are going after brown skin people because they are the easier targets today. Once they find a final solution to that problem, they will turn onto the next group.

-Asian American whose kid got a 1600 SAT score on their first try.

The legacy lacrosse, crew, horsey, and football families would be foaming at the mouth if their kids got shut out of the Ivies. Country Club MAGA is absolutely a thing. And it would be funny if Harvard was like "Alright we a going full-speed Gaokao, buckle up."

Harvard would be completely Asian and Eastern-European within five years. It would be an entirely new class of elites.

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I'm just glad the ivies are finally getting torched by the toxic products they have looooooooong produced that have been ruining the country for decades. Think of all of the douchebags ivies produce like the McKinsey Consultants who have done many horrifically bad things over decades and started the whole trend of grossly excessive CEO pay. Or allll of the nasty private equity douches they produce who ruin all of our healthcare and way of life. Or all of the scum they produce on Wall Street that ruined everyone's life during 2008.

Finally the chickens have come home to roost and schools like Harvard are getting a taste of their own medicine. Now they too can suffer like Americans have for decades after Harvard's grads at McKinsey have gutted worker safety, shipped all our jobs overseas, and killed thousands of Americans by coming up with the whole strategy of how to help Purdue pharma maximize profits while pushing opioids onto the public.

Harvard can eat crow.

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Anonymous wrote:I dislike Harvard for a number of reasons but everyone I know who has benefited from their admissions policy was a MAGA applying from a rural town in a deep red state. The applicants, of course, are completely ignorant to the fact that they were a diversity admit. Because of course they are.

really? I don't think you have visited Harvard lately. Why don't you walk around the campus, count the number of people wearing MAGA hats, and report back.

You are only imaging the stereotype of MAGA. The southern country clubs are full of preppy, well-dressed WASPy doctor/lawyer/business UMC and wealthy MAGA. They’d never own or wear the red hat, and they have impeccable manners, but they are 100% on the Trump train. Maybe you are the one who should plan a road trip.

What’s wrong with people like that?

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Anonymous wrote:I dislike Harvard for a number of reasons but everyone I know who has benefited from their admissions policy was a MAGA applying from a rural town in a deep red state. The applicants, of course, are completely ignorant to the fact that they were a diversity admit. Because of course they are.

How do you know these people and now others? In DMV?

I’ve lived in 12 cities in 8 states and two other countries. I’ve worked in rural red states for illiterate patients who don’t have health insurance and socialized with DC’s power circle. My life is no bubble.

No one you know in DC's power circle went to Harvard? Or they didn't "benefit" from Harvard's policy because they look like someone who deserves to be there?

They benefited by being rich and connected. That’s not a DEI admissions policy. That’s been true since they opened their doors.

And I’ll add, you seem to be confused about my point.

White, rural, red state admits with lower than average stats get admitted in the spirit of diversity, but they SO don’t understand DEI, they don’t realize they benefited from it. They think *they* were admitted on merit. Typical of modern republicans.

I am all for DEI. And I am disgusted by the advantage that rich, connected people have in all admissions.

Harvard should do the funniest thing - just shut out all the rich & politico families for the next 5 years. Only allow in kids with 1600 SATs. It will be 75% Asian after 5 years and wealthy MAGAs will be HOWLING.

Why do you think MAGA will be upset about admissions being merit based? We aren’t the party that freaks out over Asians being both bright and successful.

100% if it turned out this way (T10 colleges being 75% Asian), you'd see MAGA heads explode and want to cut immigration from Asian countries, and want more "holistic" approaches like location because most of the Asian Americans live in a handful of metro areas. Most of us realize that MAGA are going after brown skin people because they are the easier targets today. Once they find a final solution to that problem, they will turn onto the next group.

-Asian American whose kid got a 1600 SAT score on their first try.

The legacy lacrosse, crew, horsey, and football families would be foaming at the mouth if their kids got shut out of the Ivies. Country Club MAGA is absolutely a thing. And it would be funny if Harvard was like "Alright we a going full-speed Gaokao, buckle up."

Harvard would be completely Asian and Eastern-European within five years. It would be an entirely new class of elites.

Going to Harvard doesn't make you elite. Going to Harvard is something elites do.
Asians are already taking over corporate America.

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Anonymous wrote:Well looking at the numbers there seems to be a religious set aside at Harvard.

Undergraduate Enrollment


1,800 Jewish Students (25.5%*)
7,062 Students
*Percent of population
Graduate Enrollment


500 Jewish Students (10.8%*)
4,652 Students
*Percent of population

https://www.hillel.org/college/harvard-university/


Apparently there a big debate in some circles about the decline of Jewish students at Harvard(and Ivy League in general). The people who are upset say the percentage of Jewish students is 10%. Hillel says it is 25%. So the number is most likely somewhere between those two percentages.

Don’t really care but if we are enforcing some type of quota or preference with DEI or not DEI why is one religion exempt from this? Jews make up 2% of the population but are accepted to Harvard at much higher numbers 10-25%. This seems to indicate a preference or affirmative action for one religion. If anti DEI crowd is so upset about unfair preference/advantages in admissions why are they silent on this?

Or maybe, just like the higher rate versus population, similar to Asian enrollment, is do to study habits and family upbringing.

lol right.

Sorry your religion makes stupidity and ignorance a virtue and that makes you bad at school.

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Anonymous wrote:Well looking at the numbers there seems to be a religious set aside at Harvard.

Undergraduate Enrollment


1,800 Jewish Students (25.5%*)
7,062 Students
*Percent of population
Graduate Enrollment


500 Jewish Students (10.8%*)
4,652 Students
*Percent of population

https://www.hillel.org/college/harvard-university/


Apparently there a big debate in some circles about the decline of Jewish students at Harvard(and Ivy League in general). The people who are upset say the percentage of Jewish students is 10%. Hillel says it is 25%. So the number is most likely somewhere between those two percentages.

Don’t really care but if we are enforcing some type of quota or preference with DEI or not DEI why is one religion exempt from this? Jews make up 2% of the population but are accepted to Harvard at much higher numbers 10-25%. This seems to indicate a preference or affirmative action for one religion. If anti DEI crowd is so upset about unfair preference/advantages in admissions why are they silent on this?

Or maybe, just like the higher rate versus population, similar to Asian enrollment, is do to study habits and family upbringing.

lol right.

Sorry your religion makes stupidity and ignorance a virtue and that makes you bad at school.

Your religion is showing.

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Anonymous wrote:I dislike Harvard for a number of reasons but everyone I know who has benefited from their admissions policy was a MAGA applying from a rural town in a deep red state. The applicants, of course, are completely ignorant to the fact that they were a diversity admit. Because of course they are.

How do you know these people and now others? In DMV?

I’ve lived in 12 cities in 8 states and two other countries. I’ve worked in rural red states for illiterate patients who don’t have health insurance and socialized with DC’s power circle. My life is no bubble.

No one you know in DC's power circle went to Harvard? Or they didn't "benefit" from Harvard's policy because they look like someone who deserves to be there?

They benefited by being rich and connected. That’s not a DEI admissions policy. That’s been true since they opened their doors.

And I’ll add, you seem to be confused about my point.

White, rural, red state admits with lower than average stats get admitted in the spirit of diversity, but they SO don’t understand DEI, they don’t realize they benefited from it. They think *they* were admitted on merit. Typical of modern republicans.

I am all for DEI. And I am disgusted by the advantage that rich, connected people have in all admissions.

Harvard should do the funniest thing - just shut out all the rich & politico families for the next 5 years. Only allow in kids with 1600 SATs. It will be 75% Asian after 5 years and wealthy MAGAs will be HOWLING.

Why do you think MAGA will be upset about admissions being merit based? We aren’t the party that freaks out over Asians being both bright and successful.

100% if it turned out this way (T10 colleges being 75% Asian), you'd see MAGA heads explode and want to cut immigration from Asian countries, and want more "holistic" approaches like location because most of the Asian Americans live in a handful of metro areas. Most of us realize that MAGA are going after brown skin people because they are the easier targets today. Once they find a final solution to that problem, they will turn onto the next group.

-Asian American whose kid got a 1600 SAT score on their first try.

The legacy lacrosse, crew, horsey, and football families would be foaming at the mouth if their kids got shut out of the Ivies. Country Club MAGA is absolutely a thing. And it would be funny if Harvard was like "Alright we a going full-speed Gaokao, buckle up."

Harvard would be completely Asian and Eastern-European within five years. It would be an entirely new class of elites.

Going to Harvard doesn't make you elite. Going to Harvard is something elites do.
Asians are already taking over corporate America.

Elites go to Ivies. Period. Every elite Republican is an Ivy grad.

You know who wasn’t an elite Ivy grad? Joe Biden. And you despised him.

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Anonymous wrote:I dislike Harvard for a number of reasons but everyone I know who has benefited from their admissions policy was a MAGA applying from a rural town in a deep red state. The applicants, of course, are completely ignorant to the fact that they were a diversity admit. Because of course they are.

How do you know these people and now others? In DMV?

I’ve lived in 12 cities in 8 states and two other countries. I’ve worked in rural red states for illiterate patients who don’t have health insurance and socialized with DC’s power circle. My life is no bubble.

No one you know in DC's power circle went to Harvard? Or they didn't "benefit" from Harvard's policy because they look like someone who deserves to be there?

They benefited by being rich and connected. That’s not a DEI admissions policy. That’s been true since they opened their doors.

he was despicable for many reasons, but where he went to school (where incidentally he was guilty of plaigarism) is not one of them.

And I’ll add, you seem to be confused about my point.

White, rural, red state admits with lower than average stats get admitted in the spirit of diversity, but they SO don’t understand DEI, they don’t realize they benefited from it. They think *they* were admitted on merit. Typical of modern republicans.

I am all for DEI. And I am disgusted by the advantage that rich, connected people have in all admissions.

Harvard should do the funniest thing - just shut out all the rich & politico families for the next 5 years. Only allow in kids with 1600 SATs. It will be 75% Asian after 5 years and wealthy MAGAs will be HOWLING.

Why do you think MAGA will be upset about admissions being merit based? We aren’t the party that freaks out over Asians being both bright and successful.

100% if it turned out this way (T10 colleges being 75% Asian), you'd see MAGA heads explode and want to cut immigration from Asian countries, and want more "holistic" approaches like location because most of the Asian Americans live in a handful of metro areas. Most of us realize that MAGA are going after brown skin people because they are the easier targets today. Once they find a final solution to that problem, they will turn onto the next group.

-Asian American whose kid got a 1600 SAT score on their first try.

The legacy lacrosse, crew, horsey, and football families would be foaming at the mouth if their kids got shut out of the Ivies. Country Club MAGA is absolutely a thing. And it would be funny if Harvard was like "Alright we a going full-speed Gaokao, buckle up."

Harvard would be completely Asian and Eastern-European within five years. It would be an entirely new class of elites.

Going to Harvard doesn't make you elite. Going to Harvard is something elites do.
Asians are already taking over corporate America.

Elites go to Ivies. Period. Every elite Republican is an Ivy grad.

You know who wasn’t an elite Ivy grad? Joe Biden. And you despised him.

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Anonymous wrote:I dislike Harvard for a number of reasons but everyone I know who has benefited from their admissions policy was a MAGA applying from a rural town in a deep red state. The applicants, of course, are completely ignorant to the fact that they were a diversity admit. Because of course they are.

How do you know these people and now others? In DMV?

I’ve lived in 12 cities in 8 states and two other countries. I’ve worked in rural red states for illiterate patients who don’t have health insurance and socialized with DC’s power circle. My life is no bubble.

No one you know in DC's power circle went to Harvard? Or they didn't "benefit" from Harvard's policy because they look like someone who deserves to be there?

They benefited by being rich and connected. That’s not a DEI admissions policy. That’s been true since they opened their doors.

And I’ll add, you seem to be confused about my point.

White, rural, red state admits with lower than average stats get admitted in the spirit of diversity, but they SO don’t understand DEI, they don’t realize they benefited from it. They think *they* were admitted on merit. Typical of modern republicans.

I am all for DEI. And I am disgusted by the advantage that rich, connected people have in all admissions.

Harvard should do the funniest thing - just shut out all the rich & politico families for the next 5 years. Only allow in kids with 1600 SATs. It will be 75% Asian after 5 years and wealthy MAGAs will be HOWLING.

Why do you think MAGA will be upset about admissions being merit based? We aren’t the party that freaks out over Asians being both bright and successful.

100% if it turned out this way (T10 colleges being 75% Asian), you'd see MAGA heads explode and want to cut immigration from Asian countries, and want more "holistic" approaches like location because most of the Asian Americans live in a handful of metro areas. Most of us realize that MAGA are going after brown skin people because they are the easier targets today. Once they find a final solution to that problem, they will turn onto the next group.

-Asian American whose kid got a 1600 SAT score on their first try.

I think you are wrong. In California where the advent of race blind admissions led to an outcome of Asian-dominated admissions to the UC schools the conservatives have accepted it. The Top 10% rule (now top 6%) in Texas has made it virtually impossible for rich white kids from wealthy public schools to get into UT and TAMU and conservatives in Texas have accepted that outcome (in fact, it has led to a boom for state flagships in neighboring states as rich white kids from Texas who are blocked from the top two Texas schools seek other options). Meanwhile, disadvantaged Texas kids from URM households have gotten an easier path into UT and TAMU.

Personally, I think the Texas solution is the most elegant, though it would be hard to translate to private schools. I think the key with the Texas system is that conservatives feel like there is a pathway to get their kids to UT and TAMU, even if they choose not to exercise or pursue that pathway. The problem with race-conscious admissions is that you are using factors that cannot be changed.

Texas and California are imperfect comps to your scenario, but they at least suggest a race-neutral admissions system will be accepted by conservatives even if their kids still struggle under that system.

-Latino parent