Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, each spring write a letter to the principal (or whatever format your school uses, our had a google form) saying that your child has anxiety being in a classroom with children with severe behaviors. After one bad experience, we did this each year and never got placed into an inclusion classroom again. This did mean that we often got placed in the EL classroom but that was fine as there were not any severe behaviors and there was a second teacher there. Highly recommend.

Forgot to add. You need to use buzz words like your child “feels unsafe” and “can’t concentrate on learning.” I even would say my child “didn’t want to come to school.” All true by the way, but my school counselor friend helped me write the first one.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why the F are you blaming teachers!!!! Do you think we want a kid in our class to threaten to kill us? Or a kid who hits, bites, or spits on us? Do you think we want a kid who is destroying the classroom we use our own money to decorate. Do you really believe we want a kid who is making all the other kids in the class suffer? There is NOTHING we can do.

Blame administrators- principals, special Ed. Directors, and board members who no longer allow kids to be suspended or disciplined. Or block kids from going to special Ed placements. Teachers send kids to the office and they are sent right back to our class often with a treat. We are told to “build a relationship” with the kid who is threatening to kill us or cussing us out or attacking us.

Yeah, this is NOT on teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think it’s the teachers’ decision to keep these kids in their rooms? I had a student in my classroom who destroyed it. I’d say at least a few hundreds of dollars worth of my belongings were destroyed including nearly half of my classroom library, bulletin boards, art supplies, etc. It took months of documentation and a very on board admin to get this student a one on one aid (didn’t help much). The kid ended up in a different program this year.

I had no idea. I’m not a teacher so how am I suppose to know. Whatever the problem is, it has to stop.

We are letting the majority of the class suffer because of one or two struggling students.

Welcome to the world of public education.

[Anonymous]

Don't blame the teachers, blame the politicians. They're the ones who don't pass the budget that allows for proper SPECIAL EDUCATION.

[Anonymous]

Document everything, contact the principal after every single incident, contact your principal's boss after every single incident, file lawsuits if the child threatens or injures your child.

[Anonymous]

Oh my god. You think WE want them in there either!? We are just like you, we wish we could send them home, to the hall, ANYWHERE. We can’t! You need to escalate your concerns to ADMIN but even then if the kid has an IEP, you’re not getting anywhere because they legally cannot be excluded from participating with their non disabled peers.

[Anonymous]

It’s because 5be system is broken and it takes years to get kids the proper placements they need and the school systems do everything in their power to make it worse. It’s not the teachers fault but just know that many of the “great” school districts near DC pay lawyers a lot of money to make sure these kids don’t get the placements they need and deserve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The principals and school systems claim it’s the law to allow everyone in the least restrictive environment. So until parents sue to change the law nothing will change.

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LRE has gotten ridiculous in terms of how it is implemented. The system desperately needs parents impacted by this to sue so the legal pressures rebalance themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The principals and school systems claim it’s the law to allow everyone in the least restrictive environment. So until parents sue to change the law nothing will change.

Good luck changing the law.

Law doesn’t need changed. Courts’ interpretation of the law just needs changed. It is not the right “appropriate” placement if they are tearing up the room on the regular and in a genEd situation that just is not equipped for that level of out of control kid. We need non-SPED families to sue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why the F are you blaming teachers!!!! Do you think we want a kid in our class to threaten to kill us? Or a kid who hits, bites, or spits on us? Do you think we want a kid who is destroying the classroom we use our own money to decorate. Do you really believe we want a kid who is making all the other kids in the class suffer? There is NOTHING we can do.

Blame administrators- principals, special Ed. Directors, and board members who no longer allow kids to be suspended or disciplined. Or block kids from going to special Ed placements. Teachers send kids to the office and they are sent right back to our class often with a treat. We are told to “build a relationship” with the kid who is threatening to kill us or cussing us out or attacking us.

I am a university professor and department head, and I’ve been spat at, cursed at, had things thrown at me, and more this year by a couple of students. There are so many layers of bureaucracy. Everything I do to try and get rid of these students results in legal jumping down my throat, or non-faculty administrators (who have never taught) worrying about optics/legal/process. It is a crisis for these students, a crisis for our society, and a crisis for education. Ugh.

I find this hard to believe you are a university professor who has been spat at and had things thrown at you and campus police or security didn't responds. You might have the student 3-5 hours a week, now picture having the student 30 hours a week. Tell your professor in your college of Education to stop supporting inclusion at all costs, restorative justice for all offenses, rallying against suspensions, etc.

It is true. Campus police said that if the spit had hit me, it’d be battery and they could do something. But since I dodged the spit, I am the only one who has gotten in trouble - for telling the student to get out and home. It is unbelievable.

so sad! What school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why the F are you blaming teachers!!!! Do you think we want a kid in our class to threaten to kill us? Or a kid who hits, bites, or spits on us? Do you think we want a kid who is destroying the classroom we use our own money to decorate. Do you really believe we want a kid who is making all the other kids in the class suffer? There is NOTHING we can do.

Blame administrators- principals, special Ed. Directors, and board members who no longer allow kids to be suspended or disciplined. Or block kids from going to special Ed placements. Teachers send kids to the office and they are sent right back to our class often with a treat. We are told to “build a relationship” with the kid who is threatening to kill us or cussing us out or attacking us.

My bad.

I’m just over here dealing with a kid who is bawling because she thought when she went back to school in January she’d be in a new class and not around this child.

You’re a pathetic monster

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. You think WE want them in there either!? We are just like you, we wish we could send them home, to the hall, ANYWHERE. We can’t! You need to escalate your concerns to ADMIN but even then if the kid has an IEP, you’re not getting anywhere because they legally cannot be excluded from participating with their non disabled peers.

Should be in quotes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. You think WE want them in there either!? We are just like you, we wish we could send them home, to the hall, ANYWHERE. We can’t! You need to escalate your concerns to ADMIN but even then if the kid has an IEP, you’re not getting anywhere because they legally cannot be excluded from participating with their non disabled peers.

Should be in quotes.

Well according to my school, starting fights, saying the N word, and sleeping count as “participating and accessing the curriculum.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. You think WE want them in there either!? We are just like you, we wish we could send them home, to the hall, ANYWHERE. We can’t! You need to escalate your concerns to ADMIN but even then if the kid has an IEP, you’re not getting anywhere because they legally cannot be excluded from participating with their non disabled peers.

Should be in quotes.

Well according to my school, starting fights, saying the N word, and sleeping count as “participating and accessing the curriculum.”

I believe it. My district (not DMV) differentiates between the "reclaimed" n-word and the n-word with a hard R. Which maybe makes some sense, but there's no consequence for use of the latter (but I've never heard a white kid use it).

My district also takes about "access" to education. Same way politicians talk about "access" to healthcare.

What a country we have become.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The principals and school systems claim it’s the law to allow everyone in the least restrictive environment. So until parents sue to change the law nothing will change.

Good luck changing the law.

Law doesn’t need changed. Courts’ interpretation of the law just needs changed. It is not the right “appropriate” placement if they are tearing up the room on the regular and in a genEd situation that just is not equipped for that level of out of control kid. We need non-SPED families to sue.

I’m sure there would be enough affected families for a class action lawsuit. Someone would just need to kick things off. Isn’t DCUM full of lawyers?