Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes and yes. For the cherry on top, if a psycho kid rampages and smashes up your room bc you told them to put their phone away then the teachers could be reviewed as poor at their job and risk losing their job.

OMG!

These policies are progressive-insanity. No wonder so many kids left for Private and never came back.

Read the post just above about Obama’s “Dear Colleague” letter from 2014.

That letter is what started the prohibition on suspensions and expulsions.

And yes: it is an insanity, which continues to harm our children and ruin our public educational systems, particularly in Montgomery and Fairfax counties.

It’s the Democrat Plan. Wake up.

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Anonymous wrote:Can the posters who rail on about how our education system is “inadequately funded” please be specific about what they actually expect? We already spend WAY more per student than any other country on earth, sometimes by a factor of 10. What do you seriously expect? A personal 1:1 aide for every single student with a “special needs” diagnosis? Do you have any idea how much that would cost?

Americans overwhelmingly support the idea of a chance for all at public education but that doesn’t mean we support it for all students AT ALL COSTS which seems to be what some people expect. I’m happy to give everyone a chance but if they can’t function in a mainstream classroom without affecting the safety or education of others then they need to go somewhere else. And yes that might be many such kids together in a room in a special facility without sharp tools and possibly without computers or other expensive items (or behind unbreakable glass shield or something like that) and with a teacher specially trained to handle those kids who gets paid more for the knowledge and danger.

I agree with the sentiment, but cost is literally why things are so poopy for everyone and there’s a focus on mainstreaming.

Take for instance, this article from 2013 so you can imagine the increase in prices.

https://www.pullcom.com/newsroom-publications-Demystifying-The-Costs-of-Special-Education

Over at least the past decade, however, there has been a role reversal as districts recommend placements within the public schools, but many parents seek out-of-district day or residential placements. These placements are not inexpensive: one Boston-area residential facility for autistic children costs more than $400,000 a year. Similarly, a residential school for visually impaired children near Boston charges approximately $300,000. While these placements are at the high end, it is not unusual for ten-month residential programs to charge between $70,000 to $150,000. While day programs are typically less expensive, when the cost of transportation is added, a residential placement can sometimes be more cost-effective.

Meanwhile, the highest average cost per student to be educated in a mainstream classroom, in the U.S. is in NY where it’s like twenty-something thousand per student.

So, when we’re at a point where almost 1 in 5 students have special needs (of all levels, but which require extra accommodation and funding nonetheless).. what’s the answer? Honestly, what is the answer? The majority of your state and local taxes are already going to k-12 education (federal funding covers like.. 10% of k-12 budgets). If we want to adequately fund schools to the idealistic point of what so many of us call “the simple solution” where every kid regardless of ability or potential gets exactly what they need.. are you willing to pay 2,3,4+ times more state and local taxes? And if you are because you have a mid-six figure income and can afford i, do you think the other 90% of Americans who make less than $200k a year are willing/able to?

There’s not any good/heartwarming/perfect/feelgood answer here.

No, I’m not prepared to pay any more local taxes to give disruptive students more stuff to destroy. Once we pay double the cost for them as for other students, that is enough.

Kids with severe physical disabilities are similarly expensive. Should it be "too bad so sad" for them, too?

Those were, IMO—what IDEA initially was about. And also relatively rare to where having a couple kids in each school who are physically disabled isn’t going to be a huge deal (and they also don’t harm other students). But now we’re at the point where every classroom seems to have 2+ “chair throwers”. It’s not sustainable and it’s not fair to everyone else.

If you think that then you clearly have never read IDEA.

Our lawmakers certainly did not envision classrooms across America looking more like zoos with several completely out of control kids and teachers who are legally prevented from doing a single thing about it.

No, they didn't. But that's because they thought school districts would properly fund and resource special education programs.

No. It’s because this problem has EXPLODED in size to the point where even very large rich districts like FCPS do not have the funds to handle the problem.

I clearly remember it first becoming a problem beginning about 2005-2007, when the county I was teaching in created new policies for behavior management that prohibited removing disruptive children from classrooms, as we had done prior to that. We were told that the removals were causing too much lost learning time for those removed. We were given a bunch of stupid and ineffective methods for dealing with disruption, and many teachers ended up having to evacuate their classrooms once every week or two when some student lost it. These decisions were mostly admin, who apparently were facing some consequences or rewards based on the number of students they removed from general ed.

The Democrat SYSTEM is LITERALLY created to INCREASE classroom VIOLENCE.

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Anonymous wrote:The 2014 “Dear Colleague” Letter was issued jointly by the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights and the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division (the Departments).

Among other recommendations, the Departments advised schools and school districts to examine and correct how their disciplinary policies and practices, particularly concerning in-school and out-of-school suspensions, expulsions and referrals to law enforcement authorities, could have a disparate impact on students of a particular race.

The Departments explained that these “exclusionary disciplinary policies” cause students of color to miss instructional time and derail their educational growth and development, potentially contributing to what has been termed the “school to prison pipeline.” In an effort to curb such discriminatory disciplinary policies, the Departments provided guidance to schools and districts on “how to identify, avoid, and remedy discipline which might lead to discrimination.”

NPR reported that after the issuance of the 2014 guidance, “more than 50 of America’s largest school districts instituted discipline reform” including Fairfax and Montgomery counties. More than half of all states attempted to revise their laws to reduce suspensions and expulsions to the greatest extent possible. Although findings suggest that suspensions have declined in the wake of these measures, particularly for Hispanic students, “progress has been incremental, and black high school students are still twice as likely as whites to be suspended nationwide. So are students in special education.”

Despite these results, many educators, law enforcement professionals and parents have questioned whether the 2014 guidance, and districts’ response to it, has made schools far less safe.

The 2014 “Dear Colleague” letter is the origin of all the school disciplinary problems this thread is about.

This is EXACTLY why the “Department of Education” MUST be dismantled. NOW.

Our CHILDREN deserve SAFETY at SCHOOL.

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Anonymous wrote:The 2014 “Dear Colleague” Letter was issued jointly by the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights and the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division (the Departments).

Among other recommendations, the Departments advised schools and school districts to examine and correct how their disciplinary policies and practices, particularly concerning in-school and out-of-school suspensions, expulsions and referrals to law enforcement authorities, could have a disparate impact on students of a particular race.

The Departments explained that these “exclusionary disciplinary policies” cause students of color to miss instructional time and derail their educational growth and development, potentially contributing to what has been termed the “school to prison pipeline.” In an effort to curb such discriminatory disciplinary policies, the Departments provided guidance to schools and districts on “how to identify, avoid, and remedy discipline which might lead to discrimination.”

NPR reported that after the issuance of the 2014 guidance, “more than 50 of America’s largest school districts instituted discipline reform” including Fairfax and Montgomery counties. More than half of all states attempted to revise their laws to reduce suspensions and expulsions to the greatest extent possible. Although findings suggest that suspensions have declined in the wake of these measures, particularly for Hispanic students, “progress has been incremental, and black high school students are still twice as likely as whites to be suspended nationwide. So are students in special education.”

Despite these results, many educators, law enforcement professionals and parents have questioned whether the 2014 guidance, and districts’ response to it, has made schools far less safe.

The 2014 “Dear Colleague” letter is the origin of all the school disciplinary problems this thread is about.

This is EXACTLY why the “Department of Education” MUST be dismantled. NOW.

Our CHILDREN deserve SAFETY at SCHOOL.

Can they just write a new dear colleague letter now? Seems like that would be more effective and could gain broad support

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Anonymous wrote:The 2014 “Dear Colleague” Letter was issued jointly by the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights and the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division (the Departments).

Among other recommendations, the Departments advised schools and school districts to examine and correct how their disciplinary policies and practices, particularly concerning in-school and out-of-school suspensions, expulsions and referrals to law enforcement authorities, could have a disparate impact on students of a particular race.

The Departments explained that these “exclusionary disciplinary policies” cause students of color to miss instructional time and derail their educational growth and development, potentially contributing to what has been termed the “school to prison pipeline.” In an effort to curb such discriminatory disciplinary policies, the Departments provided guidance to schools and districts on “how to identify, avoid, and remedy discipline which might lead to discrimination.”

NPR reported that after the issuance of the 2014 guidance, “more than 50 of America’s largest school districts instituted discipline reform” including Fairfax and Montgomery counties. More than half of all states attempted to revise their laws to reduce suspensions and expulsions to the greatest extent possible. Although findings suggest that suspensions have declined in the wake of these measures, particularly for Hispanic students, “progress has been incremental, and black high school students are still twice as likely as whites to be suspended nationwide. So are students in special education.”

Despite these results, many educators, law enforcement professionals and parents have questioned whether the 2014 guidance, and districts’ response to it, has made schools far less safe.

The 2014 “Dear Colleague” letter is the origin of all the school disciplinary problems this thread is about.

This is EXACTLY why the “Department of Education” MUST be dismantled. NOW.

Our CHILDREN deserve SAFETY at SCHOOL.

Hilarious that you think that will have any impact on this.

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Anonymous wrote:I've become increasingly pro- school choice mainly bc, as threads like these show, we no longer live in a society where children can be educated and socialized at scale.

Yep. One of the Ms y reasons I decided to put my kids in private school. With public schools in the state they are currently in, it’s worth the money to get them out.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The 2014 “Dear Colleague” Letter was issued jointly by the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights and the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division (the Departments).

Among other recommendations, the Departments advised schools and school districts to examine and correct how their disciplinary policies and practices, particularly concerning in-school and out-of-school suspensions, expulsions and referrals to law enforcement authorities, could have a disparate impact on students of a particular race.

The Departments explained that these “exclusionary disciplinary policies” cause students of color to miss instructional time and derail their educational growth and development, potentially contributing to what has been termed the “school to prison pipeline.” In an effort to curb such discriminatory disciplinary policies, the Departments provided guidance to schools and districts on “how to identify, avoid, and remedy discipline which might lead to discrimination.”

NPR reported that after the issuance of the 2014 guidance, “more than 50 of America’s largest school districts instituted discipline reform” including Fairfax and Montgomery counties. More than half of all states attempted to revise their laws to reduce suspensions and expulsions to the greatest extent possible. Although findings suggest that suspensions have declined in the wake of these measures, particularly for Hispanic students, “progress has been incremental, and black high school students are still twice as likely as whites to be suspended nationwide. So are students in special education.”

Despite these results, many educators, law enforcement professionals and parents have questioned whether the 2014 guidance, and districts’ response to it, has made schools far less safe.

The 2014 “Dear Colleague” letter is the origin of all the school disciplinary problems this thread is about.

This is EXACTLY why the “Department of Education” MUST be dismantled. NOW.

Our CHILDREN deserve SAFETY at SCHOOL.

Hilarious that you think that will have any impact on this.

You are the problem. We see you.

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Trump purportedly just signed an Executive Order making it easier for teachers and administrators to give consequences such as suspension. If you haven't seen that press conference of him signing a big stack of EOs related to education, it's wild looking around the room and... yes, judging a book by its cover. It's exactly the people who you think would be in the room, acting the way you'd expect them to act.

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Teachers have no control over this. This started with Obama. Too many children of a certain ethnicity were suspended so we no longer suspend.

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its' not the teacher or schools fault. If you don't want our kid to be disrupted, take them to a different school

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Now a days the union allows no protection for new teachers who are given the bad kid classes and are appalled that the kids are cell phone addicts, with no self control, addicted to pills, no consequences, no work ethic, poor skills, and under grade level/ barely or illiterate. They have the gall to blame and chastise newly minted teachers who just volunteered 6 mo for free student teaching- actually it costs us around 10 k to pay them to teach free full time. Thanks for giving us zero support admin/union.

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Actually it's less than zero support when they are actively placing blame, covering up violence, retaliating, etc. I think it's a systematic ruining of new careers in favor of corruption

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Anonymous wrote:The 2014 “Dear Colleague” Letter was issued jointly by the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights and the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division (the Departments).

Among other recommendations, the Departments advised schools and school districts to examine and correct how their disciplinary policies and practices, particularly concerning in-school and out-of-school suspensions, expulsions and referrals to law enforcement authorities, could have a disparate impact on students of a particular race.

The Departments explained that these “exclusionary disciplinary policies” cause students of color to miss instructional time and derail their educational growth and development, potentially contributing to what has been termed the “school to prison pipeline.” In an effort to curb such discriminatory disciplinary policies, the Departments provided guidance to schools and districts on “how to identify, avoid, and remedy discipline which might lead to discrimination.”

NPR reported that after the issuance of the 2014 guidance, “more than 50 of America’s largest school districts instituted discipline reform” including Fairfax and Montgomery counties. More than half of all states attempted to revise their laws to reduce suspensions and expulsions to the greatest extent possible. Although findings suggest that suspensions have declined in the wake of these measures, particularly for Hispanic students, “progress has been incremental, and black high school students are still twice as likely as whites to be suspended nationwide. So are students in special education.”

Despite these results, many educators, law enforcement professionals and parents have questioned whether the 2014 guidance, and districts’ response to it, has made schools far less safe.

The 2014 “Dear Colleague” letter is the origin of all the school disciplinary problems this thread is about.

This is EXACTLY why the “Department of Education” MUST be dismantled. NOW.

Our CHILDREN deserve SAFETY at SCHOOL.

Uh, no. Eliminating the D of E will just mean there is literally no recourse at the school level and no way to help these kids who are legally required to be at school after age 5. It will all fall to the teachers.