Test optional & App Numbers 2024

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting- any other schools announce early app numbers?

DeanJ said UVA ED # is up a little bit but not enough to make a big impact on admissions %

And UVA is still test optional this cycle. They haven’t announced if they will remain test optional for current juniors

Interesting to see if ALL selective TO schools will see an ED bounce (might not impact admissions yet) while schools that went back to test required will see an ED drop.

How do these kinds of numbers (# applying for ED and what % accepted) affect USNWR rankings?

I am not aware that ED data affects US News. Acceptance rate has not been included in the calculation for some years now.

However, ED affects yield. Yield is included in US News ranking calculations, if I understand correctly.

[Anonymous]

Test optional is not for UMC Whites or Asians. The only reason schools like NU and Duke stay TO is because of their D1 athletic programs. If you don’t fit in that category, be prepared to submit your 1500/34 plus test scores to have a realistic chance of admission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Test optional is not for UMC Whites or Asians. The only reason schools like NU and Duke stay TO is because of their D1 athletic programs. If you don’t fit in that category, be prepared to submit your 1500/34 plus test scores to have a realistic chance of admission.

This. Note that the vast majority of the enrolled classes at these schools submitted scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Test optional is not for UMC Whites or Asians. The only reason schools like NU and Duke stay TO is because of their D1 athletic programs. If you don’t fit in that category, be prepared to submit your 1500/34 plus test scores to have a realistic chance of admission.

This is not true at our private if you are a humanities major…..don’t think you can make blanket statements like this.

Lots of TO success stories of ORM to private T25 last year. However, none were stem or business. All had stellar leadership, ECs and some had national awards.

[Anonymous]

Heard an admissions podcast from Duke AO in October, who said the below re Duke and TO (isn’t Duke the school thar doesn’t publish its CDS)?

“Yeah. Thank you for asking that. About half of our students did not submit standardized test scores and about a third of the students we admitted did not submit standardized test scores.”

From The College Admissions Process Podcast: 256. Duke University - Follow-Up Episode - Christoph Guttentag -Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Oct 16, 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-college-admissions-process-podcast/id1608682810?i=1000673344354&r=2742
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heard an admissions podcast from Duke AO in October, who said the below re Duke and TO (isn’t Duke the school thar doesn’t publish its CDS)?

“Yeah. Thank you for asking that. About half of our students did not submit standardized test scores and about a third of the students we admitted did not submit standardized test scores.”

From The College Admissions Process Podcast: 256. Duke University - Follow-Up Episode - Christoph Guttentag -Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Oct 16, 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-college-admissions-process-podcast/id1608682810?i=1000673344354&r=2742
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For Duke enrolled fall 2023 freshmen, 50% submitted SAT, 31% submitted ACT
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=duke&s=all&id=198419#admsns

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Heard an admissions podcast from Duke AO in October, who said the below re Duke and TO (isn’t Duke the school thar doesn’t publish its CDS)?

“Yeah. Thank you for asking that. About half of our students did not submit standardized test scores and about a third of the students we admitted did not submit standardized test scores.”

From The College Admissions Process Podcast: 256. Duke University - Follow-Up Episode - Christoph Guttentag -Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Oct 16, 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-college-admissions-process-podcast/id1608682810?i=1000673344354&r=2742
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For Duke enrolled fall 2023 freshmen, 50% submitted SAT, 31% submitted ACT
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=duke&s=all&id=198419#admsns

But you can submit both. So it could be 33% of enrolled freshmen did not submit either, 14% submitted both, 36% submitted SAT only, and 17% submitted ACT only. That would be consistent with both the podcast and the CDS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Heard an admissions podcast from Duke AO in October, who said the below re Duke and TO (isn’t Duke the school thar doesn’t publish its CDS)?

“Yeah. Thank you for asking that. About half of our students did not submit standardized test scores and about a third of the students we admitted did not submit standardized test scores.”

From The College Admissions Process Podcast: 256. Duke University - Follow-Up Episode - Christoph Guttentag -Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Oct 16, 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-college-admissions-process-podcast/id1608682810?i=1000673344354&r=2742
This material may be protected by copyright.

For Duke enrolled fall 2023 freshmen, 50% submitted SAT, 31% submitted ACT
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=duke&s=all&id=198419#admsns

Yes and Duke removed standardized testing from its quantitative rating of applicants, as it simultaneously removed admissions essays from the same algorithm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Heard an admissions podcast from Duke AO in October, who said the below re Duke and TO (isn’t Duke the school thar doesn’t publish its CDS)?

“Yeah. Thank you for asking that. About half of our students did not submit standardized test scores and about a third of the students we admitted did not submit standardized test scores.”

From The College Admissions Process Podcast: 256. Duke University - Follow-Up Episode - Christoph Guttentag -Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Oct 16, 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-college-admissions-process-podcast/id1608682810?i=1000673344354&r=2742
This material may be protected by copyright.

For Duke enrolled fall 2023 freshmen, 50% submitted SAT, 31% submitted ACT
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=duke&s=all&id=198419#admsns

But you can submit both. So it could be 33% of enrolled freshmen did not submit either, 14% submitted both, 36% submitted SAT only, and 17% submitted ACT only. That would be consistent with both the podcast and the CDS.

Historical overlap was 20% in fall 2020, but overlap is believed to be much lower, generally, under test optional policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Heard an admissions podcast from Duke AO in October, who said the below re Duke and TO (isn’t Duke the school thar doesn’t publish its CDS)?

“Yeah. Thank you for asking that. About half of our students did not submit standardized test scores and about a third of the students we admitted did not submit standardized test scores.”

From The College Admissions Process Podcast: 256. Duke University - Follow-Up Episode - Christoph Guttentag -Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Oct 16, 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-college-admissions-process-podcast/id1608682810?i=1000673344354&r=2742
This material may be protected by copyright.

For Duke enrolled fall 2023 freshmen, 50% submitted SAT, 31% submitted ACT
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=duke&s=all&id=198419#admsns

But you can submit both. So it could be 33% of enrolled freshmen did not submit either, 14% submitted both, 36% submitted SAT only, and 17% submitted ACT only. That would be consistent with both the podcast and the CDS.

+1 I have a copy of the promotion material from my son's visit and it says that 31% of students were admitted last year w/o test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Heard an admissions podcast from Duke AO in October, who said the below re Duke and TO (isn’t Duke the school thar doesn’t publish its CDS)?

“Yeah. Thank you for asking that. About half of our students did not submit standardized test scores and about a third of the students we admitted did not submit standardized test scores.”

From The College Admissions Process Podcast: 256. Duke University - Follow-Up Episode - Christoph Guttentag -Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Oct 16, 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-college-admissions-process-podcast/id1608682810?i=1000673344354&r=2742
This material may be protected by copyright.

For Duke enrolled fall 2023 freshmen, 50% submitted SAT, 31% submitted ACT
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=duke&s=all&id=198419#admsns

But you can submit both. So it could be 33% of enrolled freshmen did not submit either, 14% submitted both, 36% submitted SAT only, and 17% submitted ACT only. That would be consistent with both the podcast and the CDS.

+1 I have a copy of the promotion material from my son's visit and it says that 31% of students were admitted last year w/o test scores.

Oops, that should say *enrolled" students

[Anonymous]

Duke is trying to diversify its classes with URM/FGLI from NC and SC so thry need to be TO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Duke is trying to diversify its classes with URM/FGLI from NC and SC so thry need to be TO.

Beginning in the fall 2023 semester, Duke University will provide full tuition grants for undergraduate students admitted to Duke from North Carolina and South Carolina whose family incomes are $150,000 or less.

For Duke students who are residents of the Carolinas with family incomes of $65,000 or less, Duke will provide full tuition grants, plus financial assistance for housing, meals and some course materials or other campus expenses, without the need for student loans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Heard an admissions podcast from Duke AO in October, who said the below re Duke and TO (isn’t Duke the school thar doesn’t publish its CDS)?

“Yeah. Thank you for asking that. About half of our students did not submit standardized test scores and about a third of the students we admitted did not submit standardized test scores.”

From The College Admissions Process Podcast: 256. Duke University - Follow-Up Episode - Christoph Guttentag -Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Oct 16, 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-college-admissions-process-podcast/id1608682810?i=1000673344354&r=2742
This material may be protected by copyright.

For Duke enrolled fall 2023 freshmen, 50% submitted SAT, 31% submitted ACT
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=duke&s=all&id=198419#admsns

But you can submit both. So it could be 33% of enrolled freshmen did not submit either, 14% submitted both, 36% submitted SAT only, and 17% submitted ACT only. That would be consistent with both the podcast and the CDS.

+1 I have a copy of the promotion material from my son's visit and it says that 31% of students were admitted last year w/o test scores.

DP. This roughly fits the advice not to submit below the 25th percentile. Most of these applicants will be hooked.

Is it possible for unhooked applicants to get in TO? Yes. That doesn't mean it's easy or common or a good idea to apply TO if the score is decent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test optional is not for UMC Whites or Asians. The only reason schools like NU and Duke stay TO is because of their D1 athletic programs. If you don’t fit in that category, be prepared to submit your 1500/34 plus test scores to have a realistic chance of admission.

This is not true at our private if you are a humanities major…..don’t think you can make blanket statements like this.

Lots of TO success stories of ORM to private T25 last year. However, none were stem or business. All had stellar leadership, ECs and some had national awards.

And you don’t live in the DC area, so you should say that.