Fed Jobs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Relax everyone. There were no massive purges last time. There will not be any this time. Yes, life will be more diffficult, particularly at some of the more politicized agencies like EPA and DOJ. But they will not get rid of a large portion of the government.

You sound very naive.

Do you recognize they will be more prepared and organized this time, and they've been planning for this? (Unlike 2016 when he was a longshot).

They have the courts now.

In his first term he had some legit Rs (all the ones who came out against him in this election), now it will just be fringe ppl and Elon etc.

They have the Supreme Court, but if Trump starts mass firings outside of civil service rules, those cases will go to MSPB and/or area district courts.

Sure! And then the Supreme Court finds a way to hack away at an independent civil service as a concept because they don’t think the administrative state has any basis in the constitution and a whole pile of decisions to fight union protections.

Bingo. Many agency and quasi-governmental jobs will be slashed.

[Anonymous]

I'm very worried. I finally got promoted to GS-13...the lowest grade level Project 2025 wants to fire en masse...in a remote-advertised position with a 2.5 hour commute to agency HQ. I certainly can't afford to move there with a family. But I also can't afford not to have a job. So I'm trying to deal with the idea of leaving before my young kids wake up and getting home as they go to bed as the BEST case scenario here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t trump want to keep the admin state now? He can just take it over. Why would he give away all his power to the other branches?

They would want to remove career civil servants and install cronies and let the pillaging begin. Inspector general officers going first.

Yep project 2025 end of schedule f and civil service protections. A slow descent to cronyism, corruption, and actual government dysfunction. FDA gets bought by big food and big pharma. The libertarians are so naive. Good luck trusting the billionaires.

[Anonymous]

Not sure about defense but I think contracting for agencies like HHS, NIH, ED etc is uncertain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax everyone. There were no massive purges last time. There will not be any this time. Yes, life will be more diffficult, particularly at some of the more politicized agencies like EPA and DOJ. But they will not get rid of a large portion of the government.

You sound very naive.

Do you recognize they will be more prepared and organized this time, and they've been planning for this? (Unlike 2016 when he was a longshot).

They have the courts now.

In his first term he had some legit Rs (all the ones who came out against him in this election), now it will just be fringe ppl and Elon etc.

They have the Supreme Court, but if Trump starts mass firings outside of civil service rules, those cases will go to MSPB and/or area district courts.

It has been a long time since I practiced federal personnel law, but I'm wondering how this plays out. Yes, a fired employee has an appeal path through the MSPB. But is there a path for the Trump Administration to bring a direct challenge in court to the CSRA, arguing the unconstitutionality of the civil service protections (including the existence of the MSPB)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relax everyone. There were no massive purges last time. There will not be any this time. Yes, life will be more diffficult, particularly at some of the more politicized agencies like EPA and DOJ. But they will not get rid of a large portion of the government.

You sound very naive.

Do you recognize they will be more prepared and organized this time, and they've been planning for this? (Unlike 2016 when he was a longshot).

They have the courts now.

In his first term he had some legit Rs (all the ones who came out against him in this election), now it will just be fringe ppl and Elon etc.

They have the Supreme Court, but if Trump starts mass firings outside of civil service rules, those cases will go to MSPB and/or area district courts.

It has been a long time since I practiced federal personnel law, but I'm wondering how this plays out. Yes, a fired employee has an appeal path through the MSPB. But is there a path for the Trump Administration to bring a direct challenge in court to the CSRA, arguing the unconstitutionality of the civil service protections (including the existence of the MSPB)?

It would be easier for Trump and his allies in Congress to repeal the CSRA than to challenge it in court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since it is likely Trump will what, what is the outlook for keeping federal jobs?

Bye to remote working... Hybrid the most!

I know. This was a new layer of disappointment this morning when I realized this. My family has benefitted so much from my being able to work remotely. I’m so sad we’re going to lose it. (And my agency will lose a bunch of my productivity as well.)

There are much bigger concerns of course, but this one blows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since it is likely Trump will what, what is the outlook for keeping federal jobs?

Bye to remote working... Hybrid the most!

I know. This was a new layer of disappointment this morning when I realized this. My family has benefitted so much from my being able to work remotely. I’m so sad we’re going to lose it. (And my agency will lose a bunch of my productivity as well.)

There are much bigger concerns of course, but this one blows.

I am also deeply disappointed by the results of the election and scared of what this portends.

That said, RTO is out of control. The fact that people is supervisory roles with oversight over budgets and people never or rarely go into the office is not good from a risk or development standpoint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since it is likely Trump will what, what is the outlook for keeping federal jobs?

Bye to remote working... Hybrid the most!

I know. This was a new layer of disappointment this morning when I realized this. My family has benefitted so much from my being able to work remotely. I’m so sad we’re going to lose it. (And my agency will lose a bunch of my productivity as well.)

There are much bigger concerns of course, but this one blows.

I am also deeply disappointed by the results of the election and scared of what this portends.

That said, RTO is out of control. The fact that people is supervisory roles with oversight over budgets and people never or rarely go into the office is not good from a risk or development standpoint.

*remote is out of control

[Anonymous]

I think telework is over. I think they will bring all in 5 days a week. Don’t bother with we don’t have office space excuse. Those days are gone now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think telework is over. I think they will bring all in 5 days a week. Don’t bother with we don’t have office space excuse. Those days are gone now.

Worried about telework? Have to look at the big picture, Elon is going to run this and he wants $2T in cuts.

There will be a mass downsizing of the federal government and not only through hiring freezes. There will be layoffs, firing, entire departments eliminated.

The man cut 80% of the staff at twitter and he things the feds are even less efficient and effective. The impact on the DC metro economy will be interesting!

[Anonymous]

If you're a Fed who is WFH but outside of the DMV area, you better make your way back because a 100% RTO is coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think telework is over. I think they will bring all in 5 days a week. Don’t bother with we don’t have office space excuse. Those days are gone now.

100%

My spouse's chief started warning them about this months ago. Let the team know that if they were WFH in a non-DMV location, they needed to start thinking about their return to the are because a full RTO was coming. He had already been part of meetings on the size of office space needed, equipment, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think telework is over. I think they will bring all in 5 days a week. Don’t bother with we don’t have office space excuse. Those days are gone now.

I’d be willing to bet a paycheck that one of Trump’s first EOs is ordering the executive agencies back to the office at pre-pandemic levels. That’s an easy call.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think telework is over. I think they will bring all in 5 days a week. Don’t bother with we don’t have office space excuse. Those days are gone now.

So we will be sitting on the floor.? Ok if that is what you want.