If your marriage is a sham, do your friends know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Take this to the LGBTQLMNOP forum…

Like your bigoted butt isn't gonna be there, too? Nothing about this post is exclusive to the queers, bro. Het relationships fail the same way all the time.

Deal with it.

-a queer.

Oh you tormented individual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like you have a partnership for child raising.

If my marriage had been like this, there’s no way I would have left. One home for the kid is much easier and more stable.

My marriage was emotionally abusive and my XH had mental health issues, including paranoia and trauma that led him to accuse me of harming him and to threaten me with all sorts of “consequences.” It was terribly unhealthy. I was under tremendous stress.

I don’t mean to minimize your suffering as clearly it pains you to not be in a relationship with your spouse. But in these circumstances if I were you I’d detach, care for myself, and really become emotionally self sufficient. That will serve you well if you are in the marriage or not. You doing this may well attract your spouse back. She may be sensing neediness/ co dependence.

NP. How did your XH do with your child as co-parenting?

He exhibited symptoms consistent with BPD. The therapist told me that once the primary relationship was completely over he would return to baseline. So far that seems true, he has been much more cooperative and reasonable than I could have imagined (bear in mind I have a low bar). We are both on the same page about trying to make things easier for the kids.

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Anonymous wrote:My partner asked for a divorce a year ago. I asked to work on things, but she’s been very half hearted in her efforts (we are both women). We have almost no conflict, but also almost no connection—she’s an introvert who loves the outdoors so she spends lots of time alone. I think she’s just over me and the marriage.

I think we will likely end up divorced, but I really do want to make it work for our kid. I would hate to see her only 50% of her childhood. Ugh. For now, I feel like I’m delaying the inevitable so that I can have a few more months or years giving my kid a childhood in one home.

Most of my friends think we have a great relationship. They idealize the same sex marriage model because we really do split parenting and household stuff pretty equally.

I feel so lonely and dishonest with my friends because they don’t know about the biggest stressor in my life.

The mental yoga in this post is extreme.

1) When someone wants to leave, you let them. Why would you want to be with someone who didn't want to be with you (and what does that model for your kid?)
2) She's avoiding you with her hobbies, which is super polite of her. She doesn't owe you any effort to work on a relationship she wants to leave.
3) Kids aren't stupid. A loveless marriage is a stressor all around, and kids pick up on that. It's not "for the kid" at all.
4) A childhood in one home that's happy and functional is a luxury. A childhood in one home with parents who dislike each other is a nightmare, whether or not there's active, volatile conflict. You have a 'broken home' already, and nobody dies from this. But kids do notice, and pretending it's all great under your roof is gaslighting your kid, not protecting them.
5) Most of your friends don't know what's going on, so how they idealize your pinterest-perfect version (the lie you're selling). They're also stupidly biased; same-sex relationship fail rates are comparable to the hets.
6) You feel so dishonest because you're being dishonest. Lies of omission are lies. You're lonely because you can't connect honestly with your friends.

Start by telling yourself some hard truths, and then come clean to the people who love you and care about you. You're as sick as your secrets, OP.

Heal up, for your kid's sake.

That's ridiculously harsh and OP doesn't deserve that. It takes one person to divorce. OP doesn't have to lift a finger if she doesn't want to hurry the process. Also, I fundamentally disagree about the value of a stable home for a child. If there is no anger in the relationship, children can do very well in calm and organized households with two loving parents. Also, once separated, HHI goes down, and people usually aren't happy about that: there is value in not decreasing a child's financial opportunities because the two parents now need to pay for two households.

So wrong on all fronts, PP. This is not an emergency, abusive, situation that OP needs to resolve immediately. If her wife wanted to divorce, she would. Nothing is stopping her. So a status quo is obviously wanted by both parties, for various reasons, and it sounds as if it's best for the child right now.

This is a form of abuse. Not letting people leave is abusive behavior. Calling it "for the kid" is manipulative. Demanding that the party that wants to leave stay and put in full effort to resolve a relationship they want out of is abusive. And if OP's not telling the truth to their friends, there's a reason. It's probably nowhere near as amicable as OPs post makes it sound; how could it be, with one party actively wanting to leave?

Is it an "emergency"? Maybe not. But it's over, and I'm sure OP's wife thought about the consequences of wanting out. So acting like all your points are some sort of life-ruining consequences just to manipulate her into staying is further abuse.

When people want to leave, you let them go. That's what would be actually healthy in this situation. The rest is mental yoga and OP's justifications.

YOU DON’T NEED YOUR SPOUSE’S LEAVE TO DIVORCE.

Go away if you cannot grasp that most crucial point. You sound mentally ill.

All-caps plus ableism = your point is weak af. No, you don't need your spouse's leave to divorce, but if you have kids, it sure helps if you have their cooperation, which is actually in the best interest of your child(ren). Putting OPs spouse in the position of having to flounce off and serve OP with papers because OP couldn't just accept it was over and start making a new plan is, as I said, a form of abuse, specifically covert narcissistic abuse. It'll make OP's spouse look like "the bad guy/gal" for leaving and "blowing apart the marriage" when the truth is probably closer to OP's wife said she wanted out and OP wouldn't play ball.

And all of that is right there in the OP, just like all your ableism is right there in your comment. Nothing sounds more "mentally ill" than using "you sound mentally ill" as a retort without basis.

DP. I won’t be ableist. You are nuts.

If one person wants out of the marriage it’s on them to take the necessary steps to make it happen AND accept the possibility of becoming the “bad guy” for “blowing up the marriage.” FWIW, I have initiated a divorce where my spouse wanted to keep things as is.

PP, it's the same troll spamming the thread with their extreme views. Don't bother, they're not persuadable. They just want to fight.

[Anonymous]

Our friends did not know. That was partly because ex spouse and I were mostly on the same page about parenting, work, politics, etc. I spent a lot of time out of the house to avoid spouse. One kid knew something was very wrong. One kid didn't really get it until after the separation/divorce.

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Anonymous wrote:My partner asked for a divorce a year ago. I asked to work on things, but she’s been very half hearted in her efforts (we are both women). We have almost no conflict, but also almost no connection—she’s an introvert who loves the outdoors so she spends lots of time alone. I think she’s just over me and the marriage.

I think we will likely end up divorced, but I really do want to make it work for our kid. I would hate to see her only 50% of her childhood. Ugh. For now, I feel like I’m delaying the inevitable so that I can have a few more months or years giving my kid a childhood in one home.

Most of my friends think we have a great relationship. They idealize the same sex marriage model because we really do split parenting and household stuff pretty equally.

I feel so lonely and dishonest with my friends because they don’t know about the biggest stressor in my life.

The mental yoga in this post is extreme.

1) When someone wants to leave, you let them. Why would you want to be with someone who didn't want to be with you (and what does that model for your kid?)
2) She's avoiding you with her hobbies, which is super polite of her. She doesn't owe you any effort to work on a relationship she wants to leave.
3) Kids aren't stupid. A loveless marriage is a stressor all around, and kids pick up on that. It's not "for the kid" at all.
4) A childhood in one home that's happy and functional is a luxury. A childhood in one home with parents who dislike each other is a nightmare, whether or not there's active, volatile conflict. You have a 'broken home' already, and nobody dies from this. But kids do notice, and pretending it's all great under your roof is gaslighting your kid, not protecting them.
5) Most of your friends don't know what's going on, so how they idealize your pinterest-perfect version (the lie you're selling). They're also stupidly biased; same-sex relationship fail rates are comparable to the hets.
6) You feel so dishonest because you're being dishonest. Lies of omission are lies. You're lonely because you can't connect honestly with your friends.

Start by telling yourself some hard truths, and then come clean to the people who love you and care about you. You're as sick as your secrets, OP.

Heal up, for your kid's sake.

That's ridiculously harsh and OP doesn't deserve that. It takes one person to divorce. OP doesn't have to lift a finger if she doesn't want to hurry the process. Also, I fundamentally disagree about the value of a stable home for a child. If there is no anger in the relationship, children can do very well in calm and organized households with two loving parents. Also, once separated, HHI goes down, and people usually aren't happy about that: there is value in not decreasing a child's financial opportunities because the two parents now need to pay for two households.

So wrong on all fronts, PP. This is not an emergency, abusive, situation that OP needs to resolve immediately. If her wife wanted to divorce, she would. Nothing is stopping her. So a status quo is obviously wanted by both parties, for various reasons, and it sounds as if it's best for the child right now.

This is a form of abuse. Not letting people leave is abusive behavior. Calling it "for the kid" is manipulative. Demanding that the party that wants to leave stay and put in full effort to resolve a relationship they want out of is abusive. And if OP's not telling the truth to their friends, there's a reason. It's probably nowhere near as amicable as OPs post makes it sound; how could it be, with one party actively wanting to leave?

Is it an "emergency"? Maybe not. But it's over, and I'm sure OP's wife thought about the consequences of wanting out. So acting like all your points are some sort of life-ruining consequences just to manipulate her into staying is further abuse.

When people want to leave, you let them go. That's what would be actually healthy in this situation. The rest is mental yoga and OP's justifications.

YOU DON’T NEED YOUR SPOUSE’S LEAVE TO DIVORCE.

Go away if you cannot grasp that most crucial point. You sound mentally ill.

All-caps plus ableism = your point is weak af. No, you don't need your spouse's leave to divorce, but if you have kids, it sure helps if you have their cooperation, which is actually in the best interest of your child(ren). Putting OPs spouse in the position of having to flounce off and serve OP with papers because OP couldn't just accept it was over and start making a new plan is, as I said, a form of abuse, specifically covert narcissistic abuse. It'll make OP's spouse look like "the bad guy/gal" for leaving and "blowing apart the marriage" when the truth is probably closer to OP's wife said she wanted out and OP wouldn't play ball.

And all of that is right there in the OP, just like all your ableism is right there in your comment. Nothing sounds more "mentally ill" than using "you sound mentally ill" as a retort without basis.

DP. I won’t be ableist. You are nuts.

If one person wants out of the marriage it’s on them to take the necessary steps to make it happen AND accept the possibility of becoming the “bad guy” for “blowing up the marriage.” FWIW, I have initiated a divorce where my spouse wanted to keep things as is.

OP came on here to talk about how allegedly non-conflict the situation is, while simultaneously wanking that someone who wanted out isn't putting in enough effort to make it work. That you take the whole narrative as-is is naive, at best. But assuming it's actually no-conflict, let her out without a conflict, then.

I initiated my divorce, too. My position isn't extreme. You're not very good at seeing outside your own lens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My partner asked for a divorce a year ago. I asked to work on things, but she’s been very half hearted in her efforts (we are both women). We have almost no conflict, but also almost no connection—she’s an introvert who loves the outdoors so she spends lots of time alone. I think she’s just over me and the marriage.

I think we will likely end up divorced, but I really do want to make it work for our kid. I would hate to see her only 50% of her childhood. Ugh. For now, I feel like I’m delaying the inevitable so that I can have a few more months or years giving my kid a childhood in one home.

Most of my friends think we have a great relationship. They idealize the same sex marriage model because we really do split parenting and household stuff pretty equally.

I feel so lonely and dishonest with my friends because they don’t know about the biggest stressor in my life.

The mental yoga in this post is extreme.

1) When someone wants to leave, you let them. Why would you want to be with someone who didn't want to be with you (and what does that model for your kid?)
2) She's avoiding you with her hobbies, which is super polite of her. She doesn't owe you any effort to work on a relationship she wants to leave.
3) Kids aren't stupid. A loveless marriage is a stressor all around, and kids pick up on that. It's not "for the kid" at all.
4) A childhood in one home that's happy and functional is a luxury. A childhood in one home with parents who dislike each other is a nightmare, whether or not there's active, volatile conflict. You have a 'broken home' already, and nobody dies from this. But kids do notice, and pretending it's all great under your roof is gaslighting your kid, not protecting them.
5) Most of your friends don't know what's going on, so how they idealize your pinterest-perfect version (the lie you're selling). They're also stupidly biased; same-sex relationship fail rates are comparable to the hets.
6) You feel so dishonest because you're being dishonest. Lies of omission are lies. You're lonely because you can't connect honestly with your friends.

Start by telling yourself some hard truths, and then come clean to the people who love you and care about you. You're as sick as your secrets, OP.

Heal up, for your kid's sake.

That's ridiculously harsh and OP doesn't deserve that. It takes one person to divorce. OP doesn't have to lift a finger if she doesn't want to hurry the process. Also, I fundamentally disagree about the value of a stable home for a child. If there is no anger in the relationship, children can do very well in calm and organized households with two loving parents. Also, once separated, HHI goes down, and people usually aren't happy about that: there is value in not decreasing a child's financial opportunities because the two parents now need to pay for two households.

So wrong on all fronts, PP. This is not an emergency, abusive, situation that OP needs to resolve immediately. If her wife wanted to divorce, she would. Nothing is stopping her. So a status quo is obviously wanted by both parties, for various reasons, and it sounds as if it's best for the child right now.

This is a form of abuse. Not letting people leave is abusive behavior. Calling it "for the kid" is manipulative. Demanding that the party that wants to leave stay and put in full effort to resolve a relationship they want out of is abusive. And if OP's not telling the truth to their friends, there's a reason. It's probably nowhere near as amicable as OPs post makes it sound; how could it be, with one party actively wanting to leave?

Is it an "emergency"? Maybe not. But it's over, and I'm sure OP's wife thought about the consequences of wanting out. So acting like all your points are some sort of life-ruining consequences just to manipulate her into staying is further abuse.

When people want to leave, you let them go. That's what would be actually healthy in this situation. The rest is mental yoga and OP's justifications.

Selfishly blowing up a family and abandoning a spouse is abuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My partner asked for a divorce a year ago. I asked to work on things, but she’s been very half hearted in her efforts (we are both women). We have almost no conflict, but also almost no connection—she’s an introvert who loves the outdoors so she spends lots of time alone. I think she’s just over me and the marriage.

I think we will likely end up divorced, but I really do want to make it work for our kid. I would hate to see her only 50% of her childhood. Ugh. For now, I feel like I’m delaying the inevitable so that I can have a few more months or years giving my kid a childhood in one home.

Most of my friends think we have a great relationship. They idealize the same sex marriage model because we really do split parenting and household stuff pretty equally.

I feel so lonely and dishonest with my friends because they don’t know about the biggest stressor in my life.

The mental yoga in this post is extreme.

1) When someone wants to leave, you let them. Why would you want to be with someone who didn't want to be with you (and what does that model for your kid?)
2) She's avoiding you with her hobbies, which is super polite of her. She doesn't owe you any effort to work on a relationship she wants to leave.
3) Kids aren't stupid. A loveless marriage is a stressor all around, and kids pick up on that. It's not "for the kid" at all.
4) A childhood in one home that's happy and functional is a luxury. A childhood in one home with parents who dislike each other is a nightmare, whether or not there's active, volatile conflict. You have a 'broken home' already, and nobody dies from this. But kids do notice, and pretending it's all great under your roof is gaslighting your kid, not protecting them.
5) Most of your friends don't know what's going on, so how they idealize your pinterest-perfect version (the lie you're selling). They're also stupidly biased; same-sex relationship fail rates are comparable to the hets.
6) You feel so dishonest because you're being dishonest. Lies of omission are lies. You're lonely because you can't connect honestly with your friends.

Start by telling yourself some hard truths, and then come clean to the people who love you and care about you. You're as sick as your secrets, OP.

Heal up, for your kid's sake.

That's ridiculously harsh and OP doesn't deserve that. It takes one person to divorce. OP doesn't have to lift a finger if she doesn't want to hurry the process. Also, I fundamentally disagree about the value of a stable home for a child. If there is no anger in the relationship, children can do very well in calm and organized households with two loving parents. Also, once separated, HHI goes down, and people usually aren't happy about that: there is value in not decreasing a child's financial opportunities because the two parents now need to pay for two households.

So wrong on all fronts, PP. This is not an emergency, abusive, situation that OP needs to resolve immediately. If her wife wanted to divorce, she would. Nothing is stopping her. So a status quo is obviously wanted by both parties, for various reasons, and it sounds as if it's best for the child right now.

This is a form of abuse. Not letting people leave is abusive behavior. Calling it "for the kid" is manipulative. Demanding that the party that wants to leave stay and put in full effort to resolve a relationship they want out of is abusive. And if OP's not telling the truth to their friends, there's a reason. It's probably nowhere near as amicable as OPs post makes it sound; how could it be, with one party actively wanting to leave?

Is it an "emergency"? Maybe not. But it's over, and I'm sure OP's wife thought about the consequences of wanting out. So acting like all your points are some sort of life-ruining consequences just to manipulate her into staying is further abuse.

When people want to leave, you let them go. That's what would be actually healthy in this situation. The rest is mental yoga and OP's justifications.

At what point is ‘asked her to work on it’ not letting someone leave?
I so so so so hate the psycho gaslighting word twisting extreme reactive hot take dcum bs. Such a freaking waste of everyone’s time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FYI - men don't talk about their marriages. That is solely a woman thing. None of my friends or family know that I'm in a dead marriage.

They do. If men are in a setting where they are talking about their personal problems, they will talk about their marriages as much as financial problems or problems with their kids or elderly parents. Men have feelings.

[Anonymous]

When you finally admit things, you will probably be shocked at how many people could tell. They are just being polite.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My friends? Heck, my spouse pretends not to know.

Same here.

+1 this

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Anonymous wrote:I think my very close friends are aware, but they aren’t very curious about it.

I think it’s mostly boring to hear about someone else’s shitty marriage, especially if they are staying in it.

I try to limit how much I talk about it especially since I don’t plan to end it anytime soon.

Same here. My close friends and I are in our 40s and 50s, ie, that time in life when elderly parents spiral into dependency and dementia, teens struggle and college admissions stress builds up, and the adults holding it together have professional and financial setbacks or develop cancers or other issues.

NONE of us have happy marriages right now. We might describe certain stressful or painful events to each other when we get together one-on-one, not to bash our spouses (because that wouldn't serve any purpose), but to seek psychological support to get through these depressing times. We all know we're not getting divorced right now. Our kids need stable homes and for all available money to be shunted to college tuition. So we lean on each other and detach emotionally from our spouses for a while. We try to get out of the house, exercise, and those of us with the time volunteer (I swear that the majority of middle-aged women I see helping at charity/rescue/volunteer events are compensating emotionally for a disappointing marital relationship).

Nobody knows who is going to stay together when all kids are in college and get real jobs. Some of us have a wide age range in our kids, so the younger ones are still years away from college.

Welcome to Survival Mode, OP.

Not to hijack but this post and OP makes me feel better / more normal about my own depressing situation.

[Anonymous]

I have 3 very close friends. I was always honest with them about my marriage. Nobody else knew.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Take this to the LGBTQLMNOP forum…

Like your bigoted butt isn't gonna be there, too? Nothing about this post is exclusive to the queers, bro. Het relationships fail the same way all the time.

Deal with it.

-a queer.

Seriously. WTF is wrong with people? Signed A Het.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well—do you not trust them enough to confide?

It’s a little bit of a sham for those of us where it doesn’t work out. If you don’t have kids it’s easier. With kids it’s more painful.

[Anonymous]

Ps. I want to plug my post about couples therapy being a sham - or just plain inappropriate for many couples. I keep hearing stories that reinforce it. Just heard one from a close friend last weekend. Some times tools don’t match the problem.