A Nun is dead because of an illegal - Maybe AZ does have it right

[jsteele]

Since those who are outraged about illegal immigrants seem to have all the answers, let me ask a few questions:

1) What would you do to stop illegal immigration? Don't say, "secure the border". That may work as a beauty pageant response sort of like "end world hunger", but is not much of a policy. How would you do it?

2) The guy who killed the nun was awaiting a deportation hearing. The courts are backed up, so he has been waiting for about 2 years I believe. So, would you do away with due process (over-turning a fundamental of the American judicial process)? Or, would you hire more judges? If hiring more judges, what federal programs would you cut to free up funds? Or, would this be a case in which suddenly the national debt doesn't matter?

3) The guy who killed the nun was not jailed while awaiting his hearing. The jails are full. What would you do: a) release murders and rapists to free up space for drunk drivers; b) build and staff more prisons? If "b", what federal programs would you cut in order to find funds, or does the national debt not matter in this case?

It is easy to post a rant on the Internet. It is easy to blame others for all of our problems. Is is very easy to seize upon a single example and use it to generalize about a larger group (even when that generalization is inaccurate). But, solutions are actually hard. Let's see how many who are doing the easy things have an appetite for the hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And here is a man who came illegally and gave his life for this country: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-derych/lance-cpl-jose-gutierrezi_b_21806.html

So what, does that even it out? If the tally of contribution tilts one way or another, does that have any bearing on whether the Arizona law is good or bad?

Look, here is another illegal immigrant. This one saved a white boy. So is the score 2-1 now?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004053361_rescue05.html

The premise of this thread is ridiculous.

Thank you for your sane voice.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Since those who are outraged about illegal immigrants seem to have all the answers, let me ask a few questions:

1) What would you do to stop illegal immigration? Don't say, "secure the border". That may work as a beauty pageant response sort of like "end world hunger", but is not much of a policy. How would you do it?

2) The guy who killed the nun was awaiting a deportation hearing. The courts are backed up, so he has been waiting for about 2 years I believe. So, would you do away with due process (over-turning a fundamental of the American judicial process)? Or, would you hire more judges? If hiring more judges, what federal programs would you cut to free up funds? Or, would this be a case in which suddenly the national debt doesn't matter?

3) The guy who killed the nun was not jailed while awaiting his hearing. The jails are full. What would you do: a) release murders and rapists to free up space for drunk drivers; b) build and staff more prisons? If "b", what federal programs would you cut in order to find funds, or does the national debt not matter in this case?

It is easy to post a rant on the Internet. It is easy to blame others for all of our problems. Is is very easy to seize upon a single example and use it to generalize about a larger group (even when that generalization is inaccurate). But, solutions are actually hard. Let's see how many who are doing the easy things have an appetite for the hard.

thank you although as another PP said, I suspect people who think are better than other people have that feeling rooted in and will not see differently

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After his 3rd DUI, a 23 year old illegal killed a nun and critically injured 2 other nuns on their way to church at 8 am

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=2016921

As I wote a few weeks ago, more and more poeple in the court system --nevermind this makes me so sick, this could have been anyones kid that got killed by this person who enterend the country illeglally yet so many people think they should be allowed to stay.

I bet the "illegal" who caused this accident can write better English than OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I have never seen such ignorance as on this thread. This proves so much.

Exactly. This is why one's position on illegal immigration is almost a perfect proxy for education level. Profoundly stupid people latch onto the issue as a catch-all for everything that's wrong with the world. Folks who, say, have read a book in their life, understand immigration is an almost 100% positive phenomenon.

Sad.

[Anonymous]

This story is certainly a tragedy and an example of how the system needs to be more efficient. But it's a scary world when intelligent people use that as an excuse to be hateful and discriminatory, and worse, to suggest policies that would undermine the very foundation of the U.S. justice system. I have to believe OP is a troll--nobody could be that ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story is certainly a tragedy and an example of how the system needs to be more efficient. But it's a scary world when intelligent people use that as an excuse to be hateful and discriminatory, and worse, to suggest policies that would undermine the very foundation of the U.S. justice system. I have to believe OP is a troll--nobody could be that ignorant.

Bless you for believing the best of the world, but I'm sad to report that there are a LOT of people who are this ignorant.

I'd just like to see 3 pages of outrage over this:

http://www.gazette.net/stories/010908/gaitnew213204_32356.shtml

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, basic logic. If he wasn't here--where he should not be and has no right to be--the nun would still be alive.

Actually the guy had two priors and had basically been given slaps on the wrist. If Virginia really prosecuted drunk drivers effectively (send them to jail for a long time!), this guy would never have been free to do this.

The way to get drunks off the road is to throw them in jail -- NOT worry about their immigration status.

From a daughter and sister of two US citizens who drove drunk but thank god haven't killed anyone yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would her death have been any less tragic if he had been a white kid from McLean? How you can make this tragedy about immigration is beyond me. Sad sad sad.

No shit. Pathetic.

[Anonymous]

OP, perhaps you should honor the request of the nuns and stop politicizing this drunk driving tragedy.

From the Washington Post's reporting on this tragedy:

Sister Glenna Smith of the Benedictine Sisters, who have a monastery in Bristow, said Tuesday that "we are dismayed" by reports that the accident, which killed one woman and critically injured two others, is focusing attention on the man's status as an illegal immigrant.

"The fact the he had DUIs is really poignant, but he's a child of God and deserves to be treated with dignity. I don't want to make a pro- or anti-immigrant statement but simply a point that he is an individual human person and we will be approaching him with mercy," Smith said. "Denise, of all us, would be the first to offer forgiveness."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/03/AR2010080302519.html?hpid=topnews

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, perhaps you should honor the request of the nuns and stop politicizing this drunk driving tragedy.

From the Washington Post's reporting on this tragedy:

Sister Glenna Smith of the Benedictine Sisters, who have a monastery in Bristow, said Tuesday that "we are dismayed" by reports that the accident, which killed one woman and critically injured two others, is focusing attention on the man's status as an illegal immigrant.

"The fact the he had DUIs is really poignant, but he's a child of God and deserves to be treated with dignity. I don't want to make a pro- or anti-immigrant statement but simply a point that he is an individual human person and we will be approaching him with mercy," Smith said. "Denise, of all us, would be the first to offer forgiveness."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/03/AR2010080302519.html?hpid=topnews

EXCELLENT point (which will no doubt be ignored by the OP). Thank you for posting this.

[Anonymous]

Not ignored but I am not a nun or a saint but a person who is fed up with all of this. I will go call the nuns in the school I went to and tell them I let them down.

[Anonymous]

This is probably more about cultural insecurity than actual logic. OP probably realizes that it's a bit like prostitution: if you pass a law, it will just move undercover.

Buttressing our jail system and finding a humane path to citizenship are better approaches. However, the first costs money (and I'm guessing OP is against government spending except for the military), and the second would have to overcome the barrier of OP's racism.

Good luck with calling your nun teachers - most of them are very supportive of immigrants and their problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not ignored but I am not a nun or a saint but a person who is fed up with all of this.

And here we go again. Can't even verbalize what "all of this" is, but, by gum, I'm fed up with it.

What "all this" are you talking about? DUIs? Nuns being killed? Immigration policy?

Use your words.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After his 3rd DUI, a 23 year old illegal killed a nun and critically injured 2 other nuns on their way to church at 8 am

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=2016921

As I wote a few weeks ago, more and more poeple in the court system --nevermind this makes me so sick, this could have been anyones kid that got killed by this person who enterend the country illeglally yet so many people think they should be allowed to stay.

It could have just as easily been Lindsay Lohan or Paris Hilton.