The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There remains a bipartisan majority in favor of aid to Ukraine, and the Senate passed the $95 billion funding package for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. In part, lRepublican senators wanted to demonstrate their independence from Trump, who had spent the weekend telling senators not to pass it. South Carolina jellyfish senator Lindsey Graham, previously an Ukraine supporter, released a statement saying he will vote no on the measure.

Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) weighed in on the issue during debate yesterday: “This is not a stalemate. This guy [Putin] is on life support… He will not survive if NATO gets stronger.” If the bill does not pass, Tillis said, “You will see the alliance that is supporting Ukraine crumble.” For his part, Tillis wanted no part of that future: “I am not going to be on that page in history.”

Bravo Senate Republicans who showed backbone and stood up to Trump in the interests of the country. I fear too many jellyfish Republicans in the House will float whatever Tornado Trump stirs their waters- whether or not is not in the national interests or representing the will of the people.

The face of Jellyfish Republicans with no spine to stand up to Trump’s treasonous and self serving demands …

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.

Troll farm post?

I would really like to know what you think when you write this. I’ve have seen multiple similar posts usually labeling posts that I (a real person) agree with. Is it so frightening to you that people may have other perspectives? I think Putin is a horrible man. I am upset that he invaded Ukraine. However, I do wonder at this point if it’s worth continued loss of life or if it isn’t time for negotiation. I was raised by parents who were peace protesters in the 60s and 70s and can’t help but think at times that they were right: war is not the answer.

You might be a “real person”. You might be a propaganda bot. Or you could be a paid shill in Russia.

Given how advanced tech has become it’s not implausible you are just an automated bot spreading propaganda.

If you’re a real American poster I’m sorry you can’t see how important supporting Ukraine is.

Then again, I have seen half the country continue to support an arrogant, dictator blowhard like Trump even after he says things like “I would let Russia attack NATO”. So I’m not surprised at much anymore or that your intellect, or fear, would lead you to the decision to essentially abandon Ukraine and our EU partners. I mean we are spending an objectively small amount to counter Russian aggression. The cost benefit analysis is strong. But you do you. So yeah, you’re either a bot or just misinformed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.

Troll farm post?

I would really like to know what you think when you write this. I’ve have seen multiple similar posts usually labeling posts that I (a real person) agree with. Is it so frightening to you that people may have other perspectives? I think Putin is a horrible man. I am upset that he invaded Ukraine. However, I do wonder at this point if it’s worth continued loss of life or if it isn’t time for negotiation. I was raised by parents who were peace protesters in the 60s and 70s and can’t help but think at times that they were right: war is not the answer.

Do you think Ukrainians want war?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.

Troll farm post?

I would really like to know what you think when you write this. I’ve have seen multiple similar posts usually labeling posts that I (a real person) agree with. Is it so frightening to you that people may have other perspectives? I think Putin is a horrible man. I am upset that he invaded Ukraine. However, I do wonder at this point if it’s worth continued loss of life or if it isn’t time for negotiation. I was raised by parents who were peace protesters in the 60s and 70s and can’t help but think at times that they were right: war is not the answer.

Dp- did you not take a course in American history?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There remains a bipartisan majority in favor of aid to Ukraine, and the Senate passed the $95 billion funding package for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. In part, lRepublican senators wanted to demonstrate their independence from Trump, who had spent the weekend telling senators not to pass it. South Carolina jellyfish senator Lindsey Graham, previously an Ukraine supporter, released a statement saying he will vote no on the measure.

Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) weighed in on the issue during debate yesterday: “This is not a stalemate. This guy [Putin] is on life support… He will not survive if NATO gets stronger.” If the bill does not pass, Tillis said, “You will see the alliance that is supporting Ukraine crumble.” For his part, Tillis wanted no part of that future: “I am not going to be on that page in history.”

Bravo Senate Republicans who showed backbone and stood up to Trump in the interests of the country. I fear too many jellyfish Republicans in the House will float whatever Tornado Trump stirs their waters- whether or not is not in the national interests or representing the will of the people.

The face of Jellyfish Republicans with no spine to stand up to Trump’s treasonous and self serving demands …

What an f'ing joke. He wouldn't bring it to a vote with any immigration language because Trump told him not to, and now he won't bring it to a vote without immigration language. How does this jackass have so much power?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.

Isn't the whole point to avoid one by funding countries against aggression by dictatorship and terrorism?

Yes, but Republicans seem tied to isolationism as a way to support their new best friends Russia, China and Iran. Much of their messaging is tied ot just letting those three have or do whatever they want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.

Not defending NATO starts WW3.
Not stopping bullies starts WW3.

Do you think it is acceptable for one country to invade another? For people in one country to just bomb an other? For terrorists to just run wild?

Of course not. Those countries should defend themselves vigorously. Best of luck to them.

My main concern is that the elected leaders of MY country keep my children and my neighbors children away from war zones and people who give a sh*t about their religious claim to land (Israel/Palestine) or their territorial borders from a thousand years or so ago (Russia/Ukraine). Not my circus, not my monkeys.

I have slightly more sympathy to defend Taiwan because we need semiconductors. But only until we can get out act together to be able to manufacture our own.

The best way to do that is fund and arm others so our sons and daughters don't have to. THAT is why we should all be supporting these bills.

If you subsidize something you get more of it.

Exactly
We are subsidizing freedom and democracy, so we see more of it.

We are subsidizing military conflict.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.

Troll farm post?

I would really like to know what you think when you write this. I’ve have seen multiple similar posts usually labeling posts that I (a real person) agree with. Is it so frightening to you that people may have other perspectives? I think Putin is a horrible man. I am upset that he invaded Ukraine. However, I do wonder at this point if it’s worth continued loss of life or if it isn’t time for negotiation. I was raised by parents who were peace protesters in the 60s and 70s and can’t help but think at times that they were right: war is not the answer.

You might be a “real person”. You might be a propaganda bot. Or you could be a paid shill in Russia.

Given how advanced tech has become it’s not implausible you are just an automated bot spreading propaganda.

If you’re a real American poster I’m sorry you can’t see how important supporting Ukraine is.

Then again, I have seen half the country continue to support an arrogant, dictator blowhard like Trump even after he says things like “I would let Russia attack NATO”. So I’m not surprised at much anymore or that your intellect, or fear, would lead you to the decision to essentially abandon Ukraine and our EU partners. I mean we are spending an objectively small amount to counter Russian aggression. The cost benefit analysis is strong. But you do you. So yeah, you’re either a bot or just misinformed.

+1

It’s not that people can’t have other opinions, but the opinions that I see on here have become some variation of “here’s how I’m a real person who shouldn’t think this way but I do so let’s just let Russia have Ukraine because otherwise aren’t we the meanies?” suggest a degree of non reality. No, we shouldn’t let Russia just have Ukraine because once they do, they’re going to move into NATO countries to take those, too. And China thinks it’s entitled to whatever it wants. And both of these aggressors seek to expand even as their countries are withering within.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There remains a bipartisan majority in favor of aid to Ukraine, and the Senate passed the $95 billion funding package for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. In part, lRepublican senators wanted to demonstrate their independence from Trump, who had spent the weekend telling senators not to pass it. South Carolina jellyfish senator Lindsey Graham, previously an Ukraine supporter, released a statement saying he will vote no on the measure.

Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) weighed in on the issue during debate yesterday: “This is not a stalemate. This guy [Putin] is on life support… He will not survive if NATO gets stronger.” If the bill does not pass, Tillis said, “You will see the alliance that is supporting Ukraine crumble.” For his part, Tillis wanted no part of that future: “I am not going to be on that page in history.”

Bravo Senate Republicans who showed backbone and stood up to Trump in the interests of the country. I fear too many jellyfish Republicans in the House will float whatever Tornado Trump stirs their waters- whether or not is not in the national interests or representing the will of the people.

The face of Jellyfish Republicans with no spine to stand up to Trump’s treasonous and self serving demands …

What an f'ing joke. He wouldn't bring it to a vote with any immigration language because Trump told him not to, and now he won't bring it to a vote without immigration language. How does this jackass have so much power?

Probably because he’s the primary conduit for Russia and because so much of the GOP rests on total corruption and treachery, they have to stay in line or they’re out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.

Not defending NATO starts WW3.
Not stopping bullies starts WW3.

Do you think it is acceptable for one country to invade another? For people in one country to just bomb an other? For terrorists to just run wild?

Of course not. Those countries should defend themselves vigorously. Best of luck to them.

My main concern is that the elected leaders of MY country keep my children and my neighbors children away from war zones and people who give a sh*t about their religious claim to land (Israel/Palestine) or their territorial borders from a thousand years or so ago (Russia/Ukraine). Not my circus, not my monkeys.

I have slightly more sympathy to defend Taiwan because we need semiconductors. But only until we can get out act together to be able to manufacture our own.

The best way to do that is fund and arm others so our sons and daughters don't have to. THAT is why we should all be supporting these bills.

If you subsidize something you get more of it.

The money is going to US companies, almost all of it. That is good for our economy and the blood of the sons and daughters of other countries are at risk, not the US. So in all, it is money well spent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazing we can approve 100 billion for other countries’ borders but not the same for our own. No thanks.

Good question...why did the GOP kill that bill?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.

Not defending NATO starts WW3.
Not stopping bullies starts WW3.

Do you think it is acceptable for one country to invade another? For people in one country to just bomb an other? For terrorists to just run wild?

Of course not. Those countries should defend themselves vigorously. Best of luck to them.

My main concern is that the elected leaders of MY country keep my children and my neighbors children away from war zones and people who give a sh*t about their religious claim to land (Israel/Palestine) or their territorial borders from a thousand years or so ago (Russia/Ukraine). Not my circus, not my monkeys.

I have slightly more sympathy to defend Taiwan because we need semiconductors. But only until we can get out act together to be able to manufacture our own.

The best way to do that is fund and arm others so our sons and daughters don't have to. THAT is why we should all be supporting these bills.

If you subsidize something you get more of it.

Exactly
We are subsidizing freedom and democracy, so we see more of it.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.

Troll farm post?

I would really like to know what you think when you write this. I’ve have seen multiple similar posts usually labeling posts that I (a real person) agree with. Is it so frightening to you that people may have other perspectives? I think Putin is a horrible man. I am upset that he invaded Ukraine. However, I do wonder at this point if it’s worth continued loss of life or if it isn’t time for negotiation. I was raised by parents who were peace protesters in the 60s and 70s and can’t help but think at times that they were right: war is not the answer.

When you say 'negotiation' what exactly do you mean? Because Putin isn't leaving Ukraine unless he has to. So are you suggesting that the Ukrainians simply give Russia 1/3 of its country? Are you ok with Alaska being given to Putin as well? Because that is not as far fetched as you might think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There remains a bipartisan majority in favor of aid to Ukraine, and the Senate passed the $95 billion funding package for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. In part, lRepublican senators wanted to demonstrate their independence from Trump, who had spent the weekend telling senators not to pass it. South Carolina jellyfish senator Lindsey Graham, previously an Ukraine supporter, released a statement saying he will vote no on the measure.

Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) weighed in on the issue during debate yesterday: “This is not a stalemate. This guy [Putin] is on life support… He will not survive if NATO gets stronger.” If the bill does not pass, Tillis said, “You will see the alliance that is supporting Ukraine crumble.” For his part, Tillis wanted no part of that future: “I am not going to be on that page in history.”

Bravo Senate Republicans who showed backbone and stood up to Trump in the interests of the country. I fear too many jellyfish Republicans in the House will float whatever Tornado Trump stirs their waters- whether or not is not in the national interests or representing the will of the people.

The face of Jellyfish Republicans with no spine to stand up to Trump’s treasonous and self serving demands …

What an f'ing joke. He wouldn't bring it to a vote with any immigration language because Trump told him not to, and now he won't bring it to a vote without immigration language. How does this jackass have so much power?

He doesn't think the average American voter remembers last week.

He might be right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.

Not defending NATO starts WW3.
Not stopping bullies starts WW3.

Do you think it is acceptable for one country to invade another? For people in one country to just bomb an other? For terrorists to just run wild?

Of course not. Those countries should defend themselves vigorously. Best of luck to them.

My main concern is that the elected leaders of MY country keep my children and my neighbors children away from war zones and people who give a sh*t about their religious claim to land (Israel/Palestine) or their territorial borders from a thousand years or so ago (Russia/Ukraine). Not my circus, not my monkeys.

I have slightly more sympathy to defend Taiwan because we need semiconductors. But only until we can get out act together to be able to manufacture our own.

The best way to do that is fund and arm others so our sons and daughters don't have to. THAT is why we should all be supporting these bills.

If you subsidize something you get more of it.

Exactly
We are subsidizing freedom and democracy, so we see more of it.

We are subsidizing military conflict.

Yes sweetie,
That’s what happens when despots attack sovereign nations.