DADT Marriage

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:My marriage is monogamous but I think a DADT marriage makes more sense than a true "open" marriage even though it seems less emotionally mature. Everyone I know who is in or has tried open marriage, it's just an endless series of annoying choices that you have to be "mature" about but actually suck. Everything from setting the rules of what people are allowed to do, to deciding how much to share with each other, to deciding who outside the marriage to tell about the openness, then dealing with kids... it's logistically just suuuuuuper annoying. I get why people do it but have seen enough of these from the outside (two that are still intact, the rest ended in divorce) to know it is very much not for me or my DH.

At least in a DADT marriage, it's pretty simple. Be discrete. Don't do anything that would compromise that discretion. Use protection. Never talk about it. I could even see it sort of helping to revive a marriage by adding some mystery and competition and just making the individual partners feel wanted and sexy again, which is the stuff it's hard to access after years of monogamy and kids. But without all the logistical annoyances of open marriage because the assumption is that any affairs must fit around the marriage without disturbing it. So there are no "arrangements." Figure out how to make your affairs happen on your lunch our or at "the gym" or during work travel, but no we are not sitting down as a couple to figure out how to arrange childcare so that you can do a couples weekend with your girlfriend, ffs.


But don't you have to talk about it a little bit for it to be this and not just an affair? You can't just assume your spouse is also sleeping with other people, right?


I think sometimes people in these marriage will have told each other "I would never want to know" but won't necessarily make a formal arrangement. My DH once told me he'd never want to know if I cheated, that it would be cruel to tell him unless we were getting a divorce because they he'd have to live with the knowledge. I've never had an affair, but I think people in DADT marriages sometimes have conversations like that.

Or they might have conversations where they address it indirectly and one or both say explicitly "I don't want to know." Like maybe someone discovers evidence of cheating by accident and there's a moment when a confession could take place but instead the other person says, "let it be" or "I don't want to know."

Willful ignorance is a VERY popular method of coping.


Okay, I can see the second scenario. The first one, though, yikes. I have had that theoretical conversation with my husband and like you I'd never interpret that as the initiation of a DADT policy in the sense that OP is talking about.


For the first scenario, in our case it didn’t play out like that. We had an explicit conversation, and we settled on a one-sided DADT because I didn’t want to have to hear about, or think about, what my spouse was up to. Except that I do think about it, so that didn’t really work.
Anonymous
DADT is a kind of ENM if that’s your agreement. Polyamory is just one kind of ENM.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Are you in a DADT marriage? What led you to that point? Are you happy?

Just found out that my parents marriage was like this. I’m shelled shocked. I have a lot of curiosity about why couples choose this.


Why wouldn’t they choose it? Not everyone feels that monogamy is the most important thing in a relationship.

It allows people to stay together for the sake of their children, for financial or societal / social reasons. It allows for a happy marriage for which there is a sexual imbalance but there may be other positive qualities.


This. OP: Why is this so hard to understand? Seems obvious.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My marriage is monogamous but I think a DADT marriage makes more sense than a true "open" marriage even though it seems less emotionally mature. Everyone I know who is in or has tried open marriage, it's just an endless series of annoying choices that you have to be "mature" about but actually suck. Everything from setting the rules of what people are allowed to do, to deciding how much to share with each other, to deciding who outside the marriage to tell about the openness, then dealing with kids... it's logistically just suuuuuuper annoying. I get why people do it but have seen enough of these from the outside (two that are still intact, the rest ended in divorce) to know it is very much not for me or my DH.

At least in a DADT marriage, it's pretty simple. Be discrete. Don't do anything that would compromise that discretion. Use protection. Never talk about it. I could even see it sort of helping to revive a marriage by adding some mystery and competition and just making the individual partners feel wanted and sexy again, which is the stuff it's hard to access after years of monogamy and kids. But without all the logistical annoyances of open marriage because the assumption is that any affairs must fit around the marriage without disturbing it. So there are no "arrangements." Figure out how to make your affairs happen on your lunch our or at "the gym" or during work travel, but no we are not sitting down as a couple to figure out how to arrange childcare so that you can do a couples weekend with your girlfriend, ffs.


Discreet
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you in a DADT marriage? What led you to that point? Are you happy?

Just found out that my parents marriage was like this. I’m shelled shocked. I have a lot of curiosity about why couples choose this.


Some people like sex a lot.


I like sex a lot, with my spouse. No need to bring others into the fold.


Good for you not. Not everybody is sexually compatible. I had a sexless marriage for years. I would’ve done this kind of marriage, but he preferred divorce.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think DADT used to just be called "marriage." Then a strange team of liberal and conservative morality police got involved and made everyone's marriage worse.


Agree
Anonymous
I had one that was one-sided for me only. It was her idea and it worked great. Better than I ever imagined it would.
Anonymous
I asked my husband for one and he said no.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I'm in a one way DADT. it's fine but not what I expected when I got married. Did a lot of therapy, both couples and individual. I find myself constantly redrawing agreed-upon boundaries, which is annoying.


Are you the person with the pass? What are examples of boundary redrawing? Do you think the arrangement has improved your marriage?


Yes I'm the person with the pass. Boundaries include don't ask me what I did last night or who I hung out with; I have plans and no sort you can't come along; things like that.

The arrangement keeps us married because i certainly did not expect 0% intimacy with my spouse after my wedding night!


Right there with you. These threads tend to be dominated by guys looking to screw anything that moves, but in my experience, there are a not insignificant number of women who have DADT situations. I've never even taken advantage of that tacit agreement, but I also haven't had sex in 5 years. If I did? Or just kissed someone and had a night out? DADT.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I had one that was one-sided for me only. It was her idea and it worked great. Better than I ever imagined it would.


How does it work? How do you find partners with this setup? How does DW handle the inevitable emotional burden?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm in a one way DADT. it's fine but not what I expected when I got married. Did a lot of therapy, both couples and individual. I find myself constantly redrawing agreed-upon boundaries, which is annoying.


Are you the person with the pass? What are examples of boundary redrawing? Do you think the arrangement has improved your marriage?


Yes I'm the person with the pass. Boundaries include don't ask me what I did last night or who I hung out with; I have plans and no sort you can't come along; things like that.

The arrangement keeps us married because i certainly did not expect 0% intimacy with my spouse after my wedding night!


Right there with you. These threads tend to be dominated by guys looking to screw anything that moves, but in my experience, there are a not insignificant number of women who have DADT situations. I've never even taken advantage of that tacit agreement, but I also haven't had sex in 5 years. If I did? Or just kissed someone and had a night out? DADT.


You sound like someone who should be taking advantage of this opportunity, so what stops you?
Anonymous
Good for you not. Not everybody is sexually compatible. I had a sexless marriage for years. I would’ve done this kind of marriage, but he preferred divorce.


He should have preferred divorce. A DADT marriage is not advantageous for a man unless you are a DH who already has an AP when entering into it.

A DADT marriage lends itself to very discreet relationships such as a fling while traveling for work, having an AP you do not see all that often, etc.

Because it is so much easier for married women to find men to hook up with, the DH is at a disadvantage in finding partners. However, a divorced DH can easily hook up where and when they want.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm in a one way DADT. it's fine but not what I expected when I got married. Did a lot of therapy, both couples and individual. I find myself constantly redrawing agreed-upon boundaries, which is annoying.


Are you the person with the pass? What are examples of boundary redrawing? Do you think the arrangement has improved your marriage?


Yes I'm the person with the pass. Boundaries include don't ask me what I did last night or who I hung out with; I have plans and no sort you can't come along; things like that.

The arrangement keeps us married because i certainly did not expect 0% intimacy with my spouse after my wedding night!


Right there with you. These threads tend to be dominated by guys looking to screw anything that moves, but in my experience, there are a not insignificant number of women who have DADT situations. I've never even taken advantage of that tacit agreement, but I also haven't had sex in 5 years. If I did? Or just kissed someone and had a night out? DADT.


Yes just get out there my DADT sister!
Anonymous
What's in it for the man in this situation?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I had one that was one-sided for me only. It was her idea and it worked great. Better than I ever imagined it would.


How does it work? How do you find partners with this setup? How does DW handle the inevitable emotional burden?

In addition to those questions, I'm curious about what led her to come up with this idea.
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