so now FL wants to ban AP Psych because it has a section about sexuality and gender

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I don't know anything about the class and probably FL is being dumb about this.

But AP Psych? This isn't a class that kids should take in high school. AP has jumped the shark. And by adding such a plethora of AP classes, while also diluting them, they have reached their peak and are on the other side now.

I took AP psych in high school 30 years ago!

What “definitions of gender” did you learn back then?

Or did you already know, and didn’t need to be told?

I remember talking about Erikson and his stages of development (the physcosocial stages which sets up different challenges between the self and society that you have to work through at different stages in your life). The teen years are about “identity versus confusion” and I do remember we talked about as an example of where this is the period where you are coming to grips with your identity. We had (in 1989) an example of a trans person in an article we read for an assignment. It certainly wasn’t the focus of the course and it was a throw away example. But I remembered it all these years later as something that a child living in Florida today would not be able to access. Seems so bizarre.

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The decision was reversed today. AP Psy is now allowed in FL in its entirety.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision was reversed today. AP Psy is now allowed in FL in its entirety.

If true, this is a relief and good news.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-psychology-effectively-banned-florida-193737484.html

I guess Desantis doesn't want future FL psych majors to understand sexuality and gender issues.

Keep Florida Stupid should be his motto.

Florida superintendents were advised Thursday by the state to nix their Advanced Placement Psychology classes unless they exclude any topics related to gender or sexuality, according to The College Board, which oversees the AP program.

Where are the folks who insisted that Desantis only wanted to keep DEI topics out for K-3?

Slippery slope, people.

Why are people in blue states are so concerned about how people in red state govern? I don't see any threads in which republicans concerned about curriculum in Boston or San Francisco?

—- Because not everyone in red states is “red”. No one should have their educational future crushed because Yale/Harvard DeSantis is playing with the curriculum.

— Perhaps Republicans in Boston or San Francisco put their kids in private school?

— Is there a reason that you ask a question focused on states — and then shift to the curriculum in cities? Issues with a curriculum in a single city are a bit easier to address then issues impacting an entire state.

NP and while I find DeSantis dangerous in his movement to suppress learning and rights, I don’t think anyone’s educational future would be crushed if they didn’t take AP psych. That’s hyperbole.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I don't know anything about the class and probably FL is being dumb about this.

But AP Psych? This isn't a class that kids should take in high school. AP has jumped the shark. And by adding such a plethora of AP classes, while also diluting them, they have reached their peak and are on the other side now.

Tell me you were not a top student without telling me. It’s been around 30+ years. You were not encouraged to take college level classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-psychology-effectively-banned-florida-193737484.html

I guess Desantis doesn't want future FL psych majors to understand sexuality and gender issues.

Keep Florida Stupid should be his motto.

Florida superintendents were advised Thursday by the state to nix their Advanced Placement Psychology classes unless they exclude any topics related to gender or sexuality, according to The College Board, which oversees the AP program.

Where are the folks who insisted that Desantis only wanted to keep DEI topics out for K-3?

Slippery slope, people.

Why are people in blue states are so concerned about how people in red state govern? I don't see any threads in which republicans concerned about curriculum in Boston or San Francisco?

—- Because not everyone in red states is “red”. No one should have their educational future crushed because Yale/Harvard DeSantis is playing with the curriculum.

— Perhaps Republicans in Boston or San Francisco put their kids in private school?

— Is there a reason that you ask a question focused on states — and then shift to the curriculum in cities? Issues with a curriculum in a single city are a bit easier to address then issues impacting an entire state.

NP and while I find DeSantis dangerous in his movement to suppress learning and rights, I don’t think anyone’s educational future would be crushed if they didn’t take AP psych. That’s hyperbole.

I bet it would’ve affected not kids than the number of kids who play on teams with trans high schoolers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-psychology-effectively-banned-florida-193737484.html

I guess Desantis doesn't want future FL psych majors to understand sexuality and gender issues.

Keep Florida Stupid should be his motto.

Florida superintendents were advised Thursday by the state to nix their Advanced Placement Psychology classes unless they exclude any topics related to gender or sexuality, according to The College Board, which oversees the AP program.

Where are the folks who insisted that Desantis only wanted to keep DEI topics out for K-3?

Slippery slope, people.

Why are people in blue states are so concerned about how people in red state govern? I don't see any threads in which republicans concerned about curriculum in Boston or San Francisco?

—- Because not everyone in red states is “red”. No one should have their educational future crushed because Yale/Harvard DeSantis is playing with the curriculum.

— Perhaps Republicans in Boston or San Francisco put their kids in private school?

— Is there a reason that you ask a question focused on states — and then shift to the curriculum in cities? Issues with a curriculum in a single city are a bit easier to address then issues impacting an entire state.

NP and while I find DeSantis dangerous in his movement to suppress learning and rights, I don’t think anyone’s educational future would be crushed if they didn’t take AP psych. That’s hyperbole.

I bet it would’ve affected more kids than the number of kids who play on teams with trans high schoolers.

Typo.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I don't know anything about the class and probably FL is being dumb about this.

But AP Psych? This isn't a class that kids should take in high school. AP has jumped the shark. And by adding such a plethora of AP classes, while also diluting them, they have reached their peak and are on the other side now.

Tell me you were not a top student without telling me. It’s been around 30+ years. You were not encouraged to take college level classes.

Ouch 🔥

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I don't know anything about the class and probably FL is being dumb about this.

But AP Psych? This isn't a class that kids should take in high school. AP has jumped the shark. And by adding such a plethora of AP classes, while also diluting them, they have reached their peak and are on the other side now.

I took AP psych in high school 30 years ago!

What “definitions of gender” did you learn back then?

Or did you already know, and didn’t need to be told?

I remember talking about Erikson and his stages of development (the physcosocial stages which sets up different challenges between the self and society that you have to work through at different stages in your life). The teen years are about “identity versus confusion” and I do remember we talked about as an example of where this is the period where you are coming to grips with your identity. We had (in 1989) an example of a trans person in an article we read for an assignment. It certainly wasn’t the focus of the course and it was a throw away example. But I remembered it all these years later as something that a child living in Florida today would not be able to access. Seems so bizarre.

My, have politics changed everything! Back then it was teens leaning about their identity, which is totally great. But now preschool children are getting told they’re “born is the wrong body”, which is complete bs.

My friend’s teen daughter wanted a breast reduction, so they went for a doctor’s consult. Thank goodness the doctor had the intelligence (and guts!) to say, first let’s try some physical therapy for the back pain. I suspect there’ll also be some nutritional discussion for the obesity situation. These surgeries yield gigantic profits for the industry, but should not be so quickly done to minor children.

“Born in the wrong body” children most often have mental situations which should always first worked through, and not with just risky meds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. I don't know anything about the class and probably FL is being dumb about this.

But AP Psych? This isn't a class that kids should take in high school. AP has jumped the shark. And by adding such a plethora of AP classes, while also diluting them, they have reached their peak and are on the other side now.

I took AP psych in high school 30 years ago!

What “definitions of gender” did you learn back then?

Or did you already know, and didn’t need to be told?

I remember talking about Erikson and his stages of development (the physcosocial stages which sets up different challenges between the self and society that you have to work through at different stages in your life). The teen years are about “identity versus confusion” and I do remember we talked about as an example of where this is the period where you are coming to grips with your identity. We had (in 1989) an example of a trans person in an article we read for an assignment. It certainly wasn’t the focus of the course and it was a throw away example. But I remembered it all these years later as something that a child living in Florida today would not be able to access. Seems so bizarre.

My, have politics changed everything! Back then it was teens leaning about their identity, which is totally great. But now preschool children are getting told they’re “born is the wrong body”, which is complete bs.

My friend’s teen daughter wanted a breast reduction, so they went for a doctor’s consult. Thank goodness the doctor had the intelligence (and guts!) to say, first let’s try some physical therapy for the back pain. I suspect there’ll also be some nutritional discussion for the obesity situation. These surgeries yield gigantic profits for the industry, but should not be so quickly done to minor children.

“Born in the wrong body” children most often have mental situations which should always first worked through, and not with just risky meds.

Cite your statistic for the last statement.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision was reversed today. AP Psy is now allowed in FL in its entirety.

We'll see. Florida has not banned it. But they have not said that teachers and schools won't be held accountable for teaching the full curriculum as specified by AP. it might seem like a technicality, but it really puts a burden on them to decide whether it puts them in legal jeopardy. DeSantis claimed that the Stop Woke Act gives parents a private right of action.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for the 29,000 students who take this course annually who may lose the opportunity for college credit or exposure to a needed professional field.

Same. Expose your children to more knowledge and education, not less. How are these Florida students not at a disadvantage compared to students that have the opportunity to take the full courses, read the banned books, learn the unvarnished version of American history, etc.?

Exactly how are school children advantaged by “gender studies”. Just in a nutshell, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for the 29,000 students who take this course annually who may lose the opportunity for college credit or exposure to a needed professional field.

Same. Expose your children to more knowledge and education, not less. How are these Florida students not at a disadvantage compared to students that have the opportunity to take the full courses, read the banned books, learn the unvarnished version of American history, etc.?

Exactly how are school children advantaged by “gender studies”. Just in a nutshell, please.

You don’t think kids should learn about psychology? It’s a hugely growing field.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for the 29,000 students who take this course annually who may lose the opportunity for college credit or exposure to a needed professional field.

Same. Expose your children to more knowledge and education, not less. How are these Florida students not at a disadvantage compared to students that have the opportunity to take the full courses, read the banned books, learn the unvarnished version of American history, etc.?

Exactly how are school children advantaged by “gender studies”. Just in a nutshell, please.

You don’t think kids should learn about psychology? It’s a hugely growing field.

Again, how exactly is “gender studies” benefiting school children?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for the 29,000 students who take this course annually who may lose the opportunity for college credit or exposure to a needed professional field.

Same. Expose your children to more knowledge and education, not less. How are these Florida students not at a disadvantage compared to students that have the opportunity to take the full courses, read the banned books, learn the unvarnished version of American history, etc.?

Exactly how are school children advantaged by “gender studies”. Just in a nutshell, please.

You don’t think kids should learn about psychology? It’s a hugely growing field.

The more kids learn about psychology, the more anxious and diagnosed they become...