Protests in France following a police shooting of a teenager

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Parisian here.

I've long abandoned the idea that my compatriots are rational people when it comes to going down in the street, striking, protesting and looting over every perceived slight and imposition. When I was a high schooler in a Parisian lycee, it seemed crazy to me. And now in my 40s, it seems just as crazy.

In the case of banlieues youths dying while trying to escape police, I'm very sorry they died. This is not the first one. I am against police shooting at traffic stops. I am for this policeman getting the full wack of the homicide laws (he won't, but at least he's been arrested). The north African immigrant poor suburbs have always been a problem, even when they've been modernized and fully supported by low cost or free social/medical services and low cost public transportation. The youth is disaffected, many don't have jobs, there are gang and drug problems, and they've been raised to clash with the police and destroy government buildings any time something bad happens to one of them. The police has been trained to respond in this way against the banlieues youths from force of habit of always being targeted by them.

I don't know what the solution is, but it's sad that we can't seem to get out of this vicious cycle.

The solution is to send back anyone involved in anything unlawful and not to bring more people from clashing cultures

Send back French citizens who were born in France? How is that gonna work?

Fine. Jail them.

[Anonymous]

Establish a penal colony.

[Anonymous]

This is just a sequence to George Floyd, but French version. Same scenario. We will get the same outcome.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The teen shouldn't have been shot but he was also a deeply problematic individual with a long history of encounters with the police. This isn't necessarily France's "George Floyd" moment, however. There are deep reservations towards the Arab populations, once you're outside the usual Parisian progressives. The riots are far more worrisome than the police shooting the teen.

Once you scratch the surface almost everyone shot is not exactly a model citizen

How dear are you to say this about GF?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Parisian here.

I've long abandoned the idea that my compatriots are rational people when it comes to going down in the street, striking, protesting and looting over every perceived slight and imposition. When I was a high schooler in a Parisian lycee, it seemed crazy to me. And now in my 40s, it seems just as crazy.

In the case of banlieues youths dying while trying to escape police, I'm very sorry they died. This is not the first one. I am against police shooting at traffic stops. I am for this policeman getting the full wack of the homicide laws (he won't, but at least he's been arrested). The north African immigrant poor suburbs have always been a problem, even when they've been modernized and fully supported by low cost or free social/medical services and low cost public transportation. The youth is disaffected, many don't have jobs, there are gang and drug problems, and they've been raised to clash with the police and destroy government buildings any time something bad happens to one of them. The police has been trained to respond in this way against the banlieues youths from force of habit of always being targeted by them.

I don't know what the solution is, but it's sad that we can't seem to get out of this vicious cycle.

The solution is to send back anyone involved in anything unlawful and not to bring more people from clashing cultures

Send back French citizens who were born in France? How is that gonna work?

Not all European countries have birthright citizenship. Maybe they aren’t citizens under French law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Parisian here.

I've long abandoned the idea that my compatriots are rational people when it comes to going down in the street, striking, protesting and looting over every perceived slight and imposition. When I was a high schooler in a Parisian lycee, it seemed crazy to me. And now in my 40s, it seems just as crazy.

In the case of banlieues youths dying while trying to escape police, I'm very sorry they died. This is not the first one. I am against police shooting at traffic stops. I am for this policeman getting the full wack of the homicide laws (he won't, but at least he's been arrested). The north African immigrant poor suburbs have always been a problem, even when they've been modernized and fully supported by low cost or free social/medical services and low cost public transportation. The youth is disaffected, many don't have jobs, there are gang and drug problems, and they've been raised to clash with the police and destroy government buildings any time something bad happens to one of them. The police has been trained to respond in this way against the banlieues youths from force of habit of always being targeted by them.

I don't know what the solution is, but it's sad that we can't seem to get out of this vicious cycle.

The solution is to send back anyone involved in anything unlawful and not to bring more people from clashing cultures

Send back French citizens who were born in France? How is that gonna work?

Not all European countries have birthright citizenship. Maybe they aren’t citizens under French law.

Parisian here again. They are. Most of these youth rioting today are poor caucasians and third generation immigrants, whose parents are French, and whose grandparents are French. They've had a lot of years to get out of their poor suburbs and integrate into society, but with racism and/or generational poverty, it's hard for them to do so, despite our generous social safety net. No blame to them for peaceful protests, however, setting fire to an entire bus depot or multiple government buildings, shooting firework mortars at police, and looting shops and supermarkets, is beyond the pale. The organized bands of adult "casseurs" (breakers) like to go on destructive rampages on the margins of strikes and protests, and rope in minor kids to shoplift for them, knowing they'll get a lighter sentence, but that hopefully they will unload the majority of their items before getting caught.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Parisian here.

I've long abandoned the idea that my compatriots are rational people when it comes to going down in the street, striking, protesting and looting over every perceived slight and imposition. When I was a high schooler in a Parisian lycee, it seemed crazy to me. And now in my 40s, it seems just as crazy.

In the case of banlieues youths dying while trying to escape police, I'm very sorry they died. This is not the first one. I am against police shooting at traffic stops. I am for this policeman getting the full wack of the homicide laws (he won't, but at least he's been arrested). The north African immigrant poor suburbs have always been a problem, even when they've been modernized and fully supported by low cost or free social/medical services and low cost public transportation. The youth is disaffected, many don't have jobs, there are gang and drug problems, and they've been raised to clash with the police and destroy government buildings any time something bad happens to one of them. The police has been trained to respond in this way against the banlieues youths from force of habit of always being targeted by them.

I don't know what the solution is, but it's sad that we can't seem to get out of this vicious cycle.

The solution is to send back anyone involved in anything unlawful and not to bring more people from clashing cultures

Send back French citizens who were born in France? How is that gonna work?

Fine. Jail them.

There’s no more space left in jails, which is one of the reasons why sentencing is so soft. No one wants to build jails.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Parisian here.

I've long abandoned the idea that my compatriots are rational people when it comes to going down in the street, striking, protesting and looting over every perceived slight and imposition. When I was a high schooler in a Parisian lycee, it seemed crazy to me. And now in my 40s, it seems just as crazy.

In the case of banlieues youths dying while trying to escape police, I'm very sorry they died. This is not the first one. I am against police shooting at traffic stops. I am for this policeman getting the full wack of the homicide laws (he won't, but at least he's been arrested). The north African immigrant poor suburbs have always been a problem, even when they've been modernized and fully supported by low cost or free social/medical services and low cost public transportation. The youth is disaffected, many don't have jobs, there are gang and drug problems, and they've been raised to clash with the police and destroy government buildings any time something bad happens to one of them. The police has been trained to respond in this way against the banlieues youths from force of habit of always being targeted by them.

I don't know what the solution is, but it's sad that we can't seem to get out of this vicious cycle.

The solution is to send back anyone involved in anything unlawful and not to bring more people from clashing cultures

Send back French citizens who were born in France? How is that gonna work?

Strip of citizenship? Exile? Confinement to their own neighborhood monitored by a bracelet?
Or maybe even go after their relatives who are naturalized.
Like parents. Revoke their citizenship

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Establish a penal colony.

Preferably in their country of origin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is just a sequence to George Floyd, but French version. Same scenario. We will get the same outcome.

What is the outcome here? Fewer police officers with lower morale? More tolerance to petty and not so petty crime?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Parisian here.

I've long abandoned the idea that my compatriots are rational people when it comes to going down in the street, striking, protesting and looting over every perceived slight and imposition. When I was a high schooler in a Parisian lycee, it seemed crazy to me. And now in my 40s, it seems just as crazy.

In the case of banlieues youths dying while trying to escape police, I'm very sorry they died. This is not the first one. I am against police shooting at traffic stops. I am for this policeman getting the full wack of the homicide laws (he won't, but at least he's been arrested). The north African immigrant poor suburbs have always been a problem, even when they've been modernized and fully supported by low cost or free social/medical services and low cost public transportation. The youth is disaffected, many don't have jobs, there are gang and drug problems, and they've been raised to clash with the police and destroy government buildings any time something bad happens to one of them. The police has been trained to respond in this way against the banlieues youths from force of habit of always being targeted by them.

I don't know what the solution is, but it's sad that we can't seem to get out of this vicious cycle.

The solution is to send back anyone involved in anything unlawful and not to bring more people from clashing cultures

Send back French citizens who were born in France? How is that gonna work?

Not all European countries have birthright citizenship. Maybe they aren’t citizens under French law.

Parisian here again. They are. Most of these youth rioting today are poor caucasians and third generation immigrants, whose parents are French, and whose grandparents are French. They've had a lot of years to get out of their poor suburbs and integrate into society, but with racism and/or generational poverty, it's hard for them to do so, despite our generous social safety net. No blame to them for peaceful protests, however, setting fire to an entire bus depot or multiple government buildings, shooting firework mortars at police, and looting shops and supermarkets, is beyond the pale. The organized bands of adult "casseurs" (breakers) like to go on destructive rampages on the margins of strikes and protests, and rope in minor kids to shoplift for them, knowing they'll get a lighter sentence, but that hopefully they will unload the majority of their items before getting caught.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Do you have immigrants from other cultures who don’t look European (eg Asians) who have successfully integrated? Just curious

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Parisian here.

I've long abandoned the idea that my compatriots are rational people when it comes to going down in the street, striking, protesting and looting over every perceived slight and imposition. When I was a high schooler in a Parisian lycee, it seemed crazy to me. And now in my 40s, it seems just as crazy.

In the case of banlieues youths dying while trying to escape police, I'm very sorry they died. This is not the first one. I am against police shooting at traffic stops. I am for this policeman getting the full wack of the homicide laws (he won't, but at least he's been arrested). The north African immigrant poor suburbs have always been a problem, even when they've been modernized and fully supported by low cost or free social/medical services and low cost public transportation. The youth is disaffected, many don't have jobs, there are gang and drug problems, and they've been raised to clash with the police and destroy government buildings any time something bad happens to one of them. The police has been trained to respond in this way against the banlieues youths from force of habit of always being targeted by them.

I don't know what the solution is, but it's sad that we can't seem to get out of this vicious cycle.

The solution is to send back anyone involved in anything unlawful and not to bring more people from clashing cultures

Send back French citizens who were born in France? How is that gonna work?

Not all European countries have birthright citizenship. Maybe they aren’t citizens under French law.

Parisian here again. They are. Most of these youth rioting today are poor caucasians and third generation immigrants, whose parents are French, and whose grandparents are French. They've had a lot of years to get out of their poor suburbs and integrate into society, but with racism and/or generational poverty, it's hard for them to do so, despite our generous social safety net. No blame to them for peaceful protests, however, setting fire to an entire bus depot or multiple government buildings, shooting firework mortars at police, and looting shops and supermarkets, is beyond the pale. The organized bands of adult "casseurs" (breakers) like to go on destructive rampages on the margins of strikes and protests, and rope in minor kids to shoplift for them, knowing they'll get a lighter sentence, but that hopefully they will unload the majority of their items before getting caught.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Do you have immigrants from other cultures who don’t look European (eg Asians) who have successfully integrated? Just curious

Not pp but I have Asian family members in yvelines (suburb just outside Paris)

Their Kids are 2nd Gen. French and there are lots of Asians working and teaching at the local universities but the % is way smaller than in the anglosphere.

Asian people don’t really want to move to mainland Europe if they have other options in the anglosphere for similar roles/pay.

The language barrier, the taxation, the work/aspirational culture (American work culture is closer to Asian work culture than European work culture).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Parisian here.

I've long abandoned the idea that my compatriots are rational people when it comes to going down in the street, striking, protesting and looting over every perceived slight and imposition. When I was a high schooler in a Parisian lycee, it seemed crazy to me. And now in my 40s, it seems just as crazy.

In the case of banlieues youths dying while trying to escape police, I'm very sorry they died. This is not the first one. I am against police shooting at traffic stops. I am for this policeman getting the full wack of the homicide laws (he won't, but at least he's been arrested). The north African immigrant poor suburbs have always been a problem, even when they've been modernized and fully supported by low cost or free social/medical services and low cost public transportation. The youth is disaffected, many don't have jobs, there are gang and drug problems, and they've been raised to clash with the police and destroy government buildings any time something bad happens to one of them. The police has been trained to respond in this way against the banlieues youths from force of habit of always being targeted by them.

I don't know what the solution is, but it's sad that we can't seem to get out of this vicious cycle.

Sounds like this is a good place to start

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Parisian here.

I've long abandoned the idea that my compatriots are rational people when it comes to going down in the street, striking, protesting and looting over every perceived slight and imposition. When I was a high schooler in a Parisian lycee, it seemed crazy to me. And now in my 40s, it seems just as crazy.

In the case of banlieues youths dying while trying to escape police, I'm very sorry they died. This is not the first one. I am against police shooting at traffic stops. I am for this policeman getting the full wack of the homicide laws (he won't, but at least he's been arrested). The north African immigrant poor suburbs have always been a problem, even when they've been modernized and fully supported by low cost or free social/medical services and low cost public transportation. The youth is disaffected, many don't have jobs, there are gang and drug problems, and they've been raised to clash with the police and destroy government buildings any time something bad happens to one of them. The police has been trained to respond in this way against the banlieues youths from force of habit of always being targeted by them.

I don't know what the solution is, but it's sad that we can't seem to get out of this vicious cycle.

The solution is to send back anyone involved in anything unlawful and not to bring more people from clashing cultures

This! Same is happening here but I don’t think most people realize it yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is just a sequence to George Floyd, but French version. Same scenario. We will get the same outcome.

What is the outcome here? Fewer police officers with lower morale? More tolerance to petty and not so petty crime?

The final goal is to destabilize the most powerful players in the world. You cannot win the war against them, but you can destroy them from within. We can achieve it by knocking them down with crimes, riots, poverty, and internal conflicts. To create that, we need to pumper more information to create more polarize societies which destroy itself. Give it 10 more years, when kids who are in the elementary school now will grow up with these values, and we have a guarantees internal revolt in United States.