Do girls really have an admissions advantage for engineering schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

This is true of MIT but it’s not because they’re less selective with women; the female applicant pool is stronger over all so a higher percentage of them end up being admitted.

Fewer women apply, and if they want even classes, a greater percentage will be admitted.

Yes, but the fewer women who apply have better stats than the men on average. So even if MIT (I use this as a example because the admissions office has been up front about these facts for years) didn’t look at the gender of incoming candidates when reviewing applications they’d still get a pretty well balanced class because the female applicants self select and the male ones don’t. So it’s not “easier” to get into MIT as a woman, even if a higher percentage of the women who apply are accepted.

+1000 This!

Women interested in STEM fields often undersell their abilities and don't apply to as many top schools as they are actually qualified for. Many men overestimate their abilities and apply to many more top schools. So the female applicant pool is smaller and already self-selected towards the strongest students, whereas the male applicant pool is much larger and just has more less qualified students. MIT has outreach programs to underrepresented high school students like https://mites.mit.edu/ and https://web.mit.edu/wtp/ to get strong high school students onto the campus and able to see themselves at MIT, so that they will apply. Even with active outreach, they still don't have parity.

All this is fine but the answer to OP's question is "Yes, girls really do have an admissions advantage for engineering schools." Common datasets for every school has enough data to prove this out. Virginia Tech has a fancy page that shows this as well. Don't know why we have to put up with 2 pages of denial and spin when the answer is pretty clear to a simple, straightforward question!

[Anonymous]

The self-selection is a real factor. Take Olin, 200 women applied, about 80 admitted (40%). And 700 men applied and about 80 admitted (11%). This so going to be very school dependent but from a numbers point of view it does appear women have better chances of admission.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

This is true of MIT but it’s not because they’re less selective with women; the female applicant pool is stronger over all so a higher percentage of them end up being admitted.

Fewer women apply, and if they want even classes, a greater percentage will be admitted.

Yes, but the fewer women who apply have better stats than the men on average. So even if MIT (I use this as a example because the admissions office has been up front about these facts for years) didn’t look at the gender of incoming candidates when reviewing applications they’d still get a pretty well balanced class because the female applicants self select and the male ones don’t. So it’s not “easier” to get into MIT as a woman, even if a higher percentage of the women who apply are accepted.

Can someone please post the MIT source link?

Everyone likes to think they are familiar with MIT

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s sue them!

I am sure someone will or has. Admitting diverse classes is not allowed.

+1

Yup. We are supposed to be China II, apparently.

[Anonymous]

The engineering programs are mostly Asian (China, Korea, Southeast) boys so a girl, especially a white girl (because so few apply), will absolutely get an advantage. Per visits to Brown and VT, a girl who wants to study something other than environmental science/engineering will see an additional bump. But since diversity in education shouldn't be valued, I'm sure everyone will agree these advantages should no longer exist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

This is true of MIT but it’s not because they’re less selective with women; the female applicant pool is stronger over all so a higher percentage of them end up being admitted.

Fewer women apply, and if they want even classes, a greater percentage will be admitted.

Yes, but the fewer women who apply have better stats than the men on average. So even if MIT (I use this as a example because the admissions office has been up front about these facts for years) didn’t look at the gender of incoming candidates when reviewing applications they’d still get a pretty well balanced class because the female applicants self select and the male ones don’t. So it’s not “easier” to get into MIT as a woman, even if a higher percentage of the women who apply are accepted.

Applicant stats isn't what matters. Admitted stats is what matters.

A million boys with low stats applying and getting rejected doesn't matter for the admissions rate for boys and girls with higher stats; it just muddles the reporting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

This is true of MIT but it’s not because they’re less selective with women; the female applicant pool is stronger over all so a higher percentage of them end up being admitted.

Fewer women apply, and if they want even classes, a greater percentage will be admitted.

Yes, but the fewer women who apply have better stats than the men on average. So even if MIT (I use this as a example because the admissions office has been up front about these facts for years) didn’t look at the gender of incoming candidates when reviewing applications they’d still get a pretty well balanced class because the female applicants self select and the male ones don’t. So it’s not “easier” to get into MIT as a woman, even if a higher percentage of the women who apply are accepted.

+1000 This!

Women interested in STEM fields often undersell their abilities and don't apply to as many top schools as they are actually qualified for. Many men overestimate their abilities and apply to many more top schools. So the female applicant pool is smaller and already self-selected towards the strongest students, whereas the male applicant pool is much larger and just has more less qualified students. MIT has outreach programs to underrepresented high school students like https://mites.mit.edu/ and https://web.mit.edu/wtp/ to get strong high school students onto the campus and able to see themselves at MIT, so that they will apply. Even with active outreach, they still don't have parity.

All this is fine but the answer to OP's question is "Yes, girls really do have an admissions advantage for engineering schools." Common datasets for every school has enough data to prove this out. Virginia Tech has a fancy page that shows this as well. Don't know why we have to put up with 2 pages of denial and spin when the answer is pretty clear to a simple, straightforward question!

Where are these data sets, broken down by applicant scores and personal demographic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s sue them!

I am sure someone will or has. Admitting diverse classes is not allowed.

+1

Yup. We are supposed to be China II, apparently.

So, I guess the R SCOTUS members want us to be China II. LOL

[Anonymous]

My URM girl applied to Berkeley Engineering and was rejected despite 4.0 gpa and high rigor (AP Physics I and 2), AP Calc BC... She got 34 on ACT but couldn't submit the score since they are test blind. She did get into her top choice so it didn't matter anyway...

[Anonymous]

My URM girl applied to Berkeley Engineering and was rejected despite 4.0 gpa and high rigor (AP Physics I and 2), AP Calc BC... She got 34 on ACT but couldn't submit the score since they are test blind. She did get into her top choice so it didn't matter anyway...

UNC, UT-Austin & the UC schools are very difficult admits for OOS kids, but I'm very happy for your DD. She sounds like a strong student who will do just fine at whatever school she chose.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

This is true of MIT but it’s not because they’re less selective with women; the female applicant pool is stronger over all so a higher percentage of them end up being admitted.

Fewer women apply, and if they want even classes, a greater percentage will be admitted.

Yes, but the fewer women who apply have better stats than the men on average. So even if MIT (I use this as a example because the admissions office has been up front about these facts for years) didn’t look at the gender of incoming candidates when reviewing applications they’d still get a pretty well balanced class because the female applicants self select and the male ones don’t. So it’s not “easier” to get into MIT as a woman, even if a higher percentage of the women who apply are accepted.

+1000 This!

Women interested in STEM fields often undersell their abilities and don't apply to as many top schools as they are actually qualified for. Many men overestimate their abilities and apply to many more top schools. So the female applicant pool is smaller and already self-selected towards the strongest students, whereas the male applicant pool is much larger and just has more less qualified students. MIT has outreach programs to underrepresented high school students like https://mites.mit.edu/ and https://web.mit.edu/wtp/ to get strong high school students onto the campus and able to see themselves at MIT, so that they will apply. Even with active outreach, they still don't have parity.

All this is fine but the answer to OP's question is "Yes, girls really do have an admissions advantage for engineering schools." Common datasets for every school has enough data to prove this out. Virginia Tech has a fancy page that shows this as well. Don't know why we have to put up with 2 pages of denial and spin when the answer is pretty clear to a simple, straightforward question!

Where are these data sets, broken down by applicant scores and personal demographic?

Google "Common Dataset <University Name>"; Research each university's website for details by department. For example (as I pointed out earlier), Virginia Tech posts stats broken down by race, gender, generation, etc. for each department. Some others do that too (for you to find at the schools you care about). Now get off your lazy ass and do some research rather than asking others to. I'm in the business of teaching people how to fish, not...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My URM girl applied to Berkeley Engineering and was rejected despite 4.0 gpa and high rigor (AP Physics I and 2), AP Calc BC... She got 34 on ACT but couldn't submit the score since they are test blind. She did get into her top choice so it didn't matter anyway...

Those are awesome stats and I suspect she got in a great school! I'm not sure how much the UC system cares about race since california voted against that a while back. Even if they did, they'd likely use up those spots for their own rather than OOS. Also, the UC system does not take too many out of state students anyways..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My URM girl applied to Berkeley Engineering and was rejected despite 4.0 gpa and high rigor (AP Physics I and 2), AP Calc BC... She got 34 on ACT but couldn't submit the score since they are test blind. She did get into her top choice so it didn't matter anyway...

OK but Prop 209 prohibits considering race or sex in admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Va Tech has this info readily available. My niece from Maryland was applying here as a safety in Engineering and I was like, that's no safety. But guess what--for white, OOS females into Engineering she had over a 65% chance of acceptance. And got in. change it to male and it goes down over 10%.

https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college

Very transparent of Va Tech. Bravo. Do any other colleges have such a tool?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

This is true of MIT but it’s not because they’re less selective with women; the female applicant pool is stronger over all so a higher percentage of them end up being admitted.

Fewer women apply, and if they want even classes, a greater percentage will be admitted.

Yes, but the fewer women who apply have better stats than the men on average. So even if MIT (I use this as a example because the admissions office has been up front about these facts for years) didn’t look at the gender of incoming candidates when reviewing applications they’d still get a pretty well balanced class because the female applicants self select and the male ones don’t. So it’s not “easier” to get into MIT as a woman, even if a higher percentage of the women who apply are accepted.

+1000 This!

Women interested in STEM fields often undersell their abilities and don't apply to as many top schools as they are actually qualified for. Many men overestimate their abilities and apply to many more top schools. So the female applicant pool is smaller and already self-selected towards the strongest students, whereas the male applicant pool is much larger and just has more less qualified students. MIT has outreach programs to underrepresented high school students like https://mites.mit.edu/ and https://web.mit.edu/wtp/ to get strong high school students onto the campus and able to see themselves at MIT, so that they will apply. Even with active outreach, they still don't have parity.

All this is fine but the answer to OP's question is "Yes, girls really do have an admissions advantage for engineering schools." Common datasets for every school has enough data to prove this out. Virginia Tech has a fancy page that shows this as well. Don't know why we have to put up with 2 pages of denial and spin when the answer is pretty clear to a simple, straightforward question!

Where are these data sets, broken down by applicant scores and personal demographic?

Google "Common Dataset <University Name>"; Research each university's website for details by department. For example (as I pointed out earlier), Virginia Tech posts stats broken down by race, gender, generation, etc. for each department. Some others do that too (for you to find at the schools you care about). Now get off your lazy ass and do some research rather than asking others to. I'm in the business of teaching people how to fish, not...

You mean like this page,
https://ir.mit.edu/cds-2022
Which DOES NOT HAVE the non-confounded information being discussed?

You'd look smarter just saying "I don't know" instead of blathering on in ignorance.