Do girls really have an admissions advantage for engineering schools?

[Anonymous]

Va Tech has this info readily available. My niece from Maryland was applying here as a safety in Engineering and I was like, that's no safety. But guess what--for white, OOS females into Engineering she had over a 65% chance of acceptance. And got in. change it to male and it goes down over 10%.

https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college

[Anonymous]

I don't think the advantage is nearly as great as it used to be. I had a niece that went through this last year with extremely high stats and extracurriculars related to engineering (including awards, etc.) -- I thought she would be a shoe-in, but was denied or waitlisted at all the fancy private engineering schools she applied for, but accepted at several big state schools with excellent engineering programs. The admit rate for the top private engineering schools is so low that it's still basically a crap shoot even for highly qualified girls. It used to be that a girl with stellar credentials was a pretty safe admit at a lot of these engineering schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

For engineering? You realize CMU has a very large, highly respected arts/theatre program as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

For engineering? You realize CMU has a very large, highly respected arts/theatre program as well.

I don't think it's very large. The acting program is elite, but incredibly difficult to get into and takes very few students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

This is true of MIT but it’s not because they’re less selective with women; the female applicant pool is stronger over all so a higher percentage of them end up being admitted.

Fewer women apply, and if they want even classes, a greater percentage will be admitted.

Yes, but the fewer women who apply have better stats than the men on average. So even if MIT (I use this as a example because the admissions office has been up front about these facts for years) didn’t look at the gender of incoming candidates when reviewing applications they’d still get a pretty well balanced class because the female applicants self select and the male ones don’t. So it’s not “easier” to get into MIT as a woman, even if a higher percentage of the women who apply are accepted.

[Anonymous]

This makes sense but where are the stats to support this common sense assertion?

[Anonymous]

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

This is true of MIT but it’s not because they’re less selective with women; the female applicant pool is stronger over all so a higher percentage of them end up being admitted.

Fewer women apply, and if they want even classes, a greater percentage will be admitted.

Yes, but the fewer women who apply have better stats than the men on average. So even if MIT (I use this as a example because the admissions office has been up front about these facts for years) didn’t look at the gender of incoming candidates when reviewing applications they’d still get a pretty well balanced class because the female applicants self select and the male ones don’t. So it’s not “easier” to get into MIT as a woman, even if a higher percentage of the women who apply are accepted.

Can someone please post the MIT source link?

[Anonymous]

Let’s sue them!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s sue them!

I am sure someone will or has. Admitting diverse classes is not allowed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

This is true of MIT but it’s not because they’re less selective with women; the female applicant pool is stronger over all so a higher percentage of them end up being admitted.

Fewer women apply, and if they want even classes, a greater percentage will be admitted.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

Look up the common datasets for the colleges you are interested in and calculate for yourself. It's plain as day.

[Anonymous]

Yes, but it depends on the school and the program….more women apply for Biomedical than Mechanical, for example.

I graduated CS a bazillion years ago, and there are few advantages being female in a male dominated field, but there are some and this is one of them.

[Anonymous]

White female? No. URM sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any stats to back up this view?

I know CMU admits a greater percentage of women than men; the disparity is greater than average.

This is true of MIT but it’s not because they’re less selective with women; the female applicant pool is stronger over all so a higher percentage of them end up being admitted.

Fewer women apply, and if they want even classes, a greater percentage will be admitted.

Yes, but the fewer women who apply have better stats than the men on average. So even if MIT (I use this as a example because the admissions office has been up front about these facts for years) didn’t look at the gender of incoming candidates when reviewing applications they’d still get a pretty well balanced class because the female applicants self select and the male ones don’t. So it’s not “easier” to get into MIT as a woman, even if a higher percentage of the women who apply are accepted.

+1000 This!

Women interested in STEM fields often undersell their abilities and don't apply to as many top schools as they are actually qualified for. Many men overestimate their abilities and apply to many more top schools. So the female applicant pool is smaller and already self-selected towards the strongest students, whereas the male applicant pool is much larger and just has more less qualified students. MIT has outreach programs to underrepresented high school students like https://mites.mit.edu/ and https://web.mit.edu/wtp/ to get strong high school students onto the campus and able to see themselves at MIT, so that they will apply. Even with active outreach, they still don't have parity.