WTU Contract and Charter Schools

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

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Anonymous wrote:The only solution is for all charter teachers to unionize. Unfortunately, it is really dangerous for teachers to take that on. While retaliation is illegal, it happens all the time and schools have gotten away with it.

This isn't true. The organization of charter teachers doesn't mean that DC is going to give charters the same money that it is giving to DCPS when the union contract is negotiated. There are at least two unionized charters schools in DC. The Mayor and Council did not (and will not) increase the budget to those two schools due to the negotiation or increase of their teacher contracts.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

It depends on the charter.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

I’m PP. I just looked up my kids charter school (Breakthrough) and the average teacher salary is $64,860 with a range of 57,500-83,850. However all the admin make over $100,000. Let’s be honest I chose it for Montessori but I understand the teachers are not getting paid as high and that’s probably why we have had turnover.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

I’m PP. I just looked up my kids charter school (Breakthrough) and the average teacher salary is $64,860 with a range of 57,500-83,850. However all the admin make over $100,000. Let’s be honest I chose it for Montessori but I understand the teachers are not getting paid as high and that’s probably why we have had turnover.

In what alternate universe do admins not get paid? There are probably some legitimate concerns one could raise regarding how charters expend resources. The fact that admins get paid more than teachers is not one of them. The bloat in DCPS Central is legendary. I don't think salary of middling and useless admins is where I'd start in comparing and contrasting DCPS and charters.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

I’m PP. I just looked up my kids charter school (Breakthrough) and the average teacher salary is $64,860 with a range of 57,500-83,850. However all the admin make over $100,000. Let’s be honest I chose it for Montessori but I understand the teachers are not getting paid as high and that’s probably why we have had turnover.

The DCPS starting salary is 56k meaning that your school is paying starting salaries above DCPS. Have you looked at what DCPS administrators make? That contract has recently gone up as well. The starting salary is $130k.

ALL teachers in DC need fair compensation -- charter or DCPS. Looks like your charter has already tried to be competitive. What do you think will happen to teacher turnover next year when your charter (which had been competitive this year) is now competing with salaries that have gone up nearly 10,000+?

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

I’m PP. I just looked up my kids charter school (Breakthrough) and the average teacher salary is $64,860 with a range of 57,500-83,850. However all the admin make over $100,000. Let’s be honest I chose it for Montessori but I understand the teachers are not getting paid as high and that’s probably why we have had turnover.

The DCPS starting salary is 56k meaning that your school is paying starting salaries above DCPS. Have you looked at what DCPS administrators make? That contract has recently gone up as well. The starting salary is $130k.

ALL teachers in DC need fair compensation -- charter or DCPS. Looks like your charter has already tried to be competitive. What do you think will happen to teacher turnover next year when your charter (which had been competitive this year) is now competing with salaries that have gone up nearly 10,000+?

To be honest I don’t particularly care. That’s why the administration gets paid more. They need to figure out staffing. You seem to be arguing with yourself here anyway. I stated what teachers at my charter got paid and stated what administrators got paid. No where did I make a judgment about the pay. I’m of the opinion if a charter teacher doesn’t like the pay they should take their talents elsewhere. But I am somewhat insulated as there aren’t many Montessori schools to go to so people stay out of necessity.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

I’m PP. I just looked up my kids charter school (Breakthrough) and the average teacher salary is $64,860 with a range of 57,500-83,850. However all the admin make over $100,000. Let’s be honest I chose it for Montessori but I understand the teachers are not getting paid as high and that’s probably why we have had turnover.

The DCPS starting salary is 56k meaning that your school is paying starting salaries above DCPS. Have you looked at what DCPS administrators make? That contract has recently gone up as well. The starting salary is $130k.

ALL teachers in DC need fair compensation -- charter or DCPS. Looks like your charter has already tried to be competitive. What do you think will happen to teacher turnover next year when your charter (which had been competitive this year) is now competing with salaries that have gone up nearly 10,000+?

To be honest I don’t particularly care. That’s why the administration gets paid more. They need to figure out staffing. You seem to be arguing with yourself here anyway. I stated what teachers at my charter got paid and stated what administrators got paid. No where did I make a judgment about the pay. I’m of the opinion if a charter teacher doesn’t like the pay they should take their talents elsewhere. But I am somewhat insulated as there aren’t many Montessori schools to go to so people stay out of necessity.

I get it and I'm not arguing at all. There seems to be a prevailing narrative of teachers being dramatically underpaid with one of the prior posts mentioning charter teachers making 40k. I applaud you for looking it up and seeing that your charter starting range is $57K. I'm only noting that the 57K is above the range DCPS teachers started at this year and that the admin pay of your charter over $100k is still very much lower than the DCPS starting salary of $130K for administrators.

So, again, I'm not arguing but I do care and am very concerned that there will be a lot more turnover, lower morale and (charter) school instability if the resources aren't made available to raise teacher pay.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

I’m PP. I just looked up my kids charter school (Breakthrough) and the average teacher salary is $64,860 with a range of 57,500-83,850. However all the admin make over $100,000. Let’s be honest I chose it for Montessori but I understand the teachers are not getting paid as high and that’s probably why we have had turnover.

The DCPS starting salary is 56k meaning that your school is paying starting salaries above DCPS. Have you looked at what DCPS administrators make? That contract has recently gone up as well. The starting salary is $130k.

ALL teachers in DC need fair compensation -- charter or DCPS. Looks like your charter has already tried to be competitive. What do you think will happen to teacher turnover next year when your charter (which had been competitive this year) is now competing with salaries that have gone up nearly 10,000+?

To be honest I don’t particularly care. That’s why the administration gets paid more. They need to figure out staffing. You seem to be arguing with yourself here anyway. I stated what teachers at my charter got paid and stated what administrators got paid. No where did I make a judgment about the pay. I’m of the opinion if a charter teacher doesn’t like the pay they should take their talents elsewhere. But I am somewhat insulated as there aren’t many Montessori schools to go to so people stay out of necessity.

I get it and I'm not arguing at all. There seems to be a prevailing narrative of teachers being dramatically underpaid with one of the prior posts mentioning charter teachers making 40k. I applaud you for looking it up and seeing that your charter starting range is $57K. I'm only noting that the 57K is above the range DCPS teachers started at this year and that the admin pay of your charter over $100k is still very much lower than the DCPS starting salary of $130K for administrators.

So, again, I'm not arguing but I do care and am very concerned that there will be a lot more turnover, lower morale and (charter) school instability if the resources aren't made available to raise teacher pay.

DP: Charter schools are the root cause of most of the instability outside of W3, so I'm not exactly sympathetic to this argument

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The WTU provides its members a service which includes contract negotiations but this service isn’t for free. Teachers pay in to the union. Acting like all charters should get the same pay increase as if DCPS teachers just get a new contract for free isn’t painting the whole picture.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

I’m PP. I just looked up my kids charter school (Breakthrough) and the average teacher salary is $64,860 with a range of 57,500-83,850. However all the admin make over $100,000. Let’s be honest I chose it for Montessori but I understand the teachers are not getting paid as high and that’s probably why we have had turnover.

The DCPS starting salary is 56k meaning that your school is paying starting salaries above DCPS. Have you looked at what DCPS administrators make? That contract has recently gone up as well. The starting salary is $130k.

ALL teachers in DC need fair compensation -- charter or DCPS. Looks like your charter has already tried to be competitive. What do you think will happen to teacher turnover next year when your charter (which had been competitive this year) is now competing with salaries that have gone up nearly 10,000+?

To be honest I don’t particularly care. That’s why the administration gets paid more. They need to figure out staffing. You seem to be arguing with yourself here anyway. I stated what teachers at my charter got paid and stated what administrators got paid. No where did I make a judgment about the pay. I’m of the opinion if a charter teacher doesn’t like the pay they should take their talents elsewhere. But I am somewhat insulated as there aren’t many Montessori schools to go to so people stay out of necessity.

I get it and I'm not arguing at all. There seems to be a prevailing narrative of teachers being dramatically underpaid with one of the prior posts mentioning charter teachers making 40k. I applaud you for looking it up and seeing that your charter starting range is $57K. I'm only noting that the 57K is above the range DCPS teachers started at this year and that the admin pay of your charter over $100k is still very much lower than the DCPS starting salary of $130K for administrators.

So, again, I'm not arguing but I do care and am very concerned that there will be a lot more turnover, lower morale and (charter) school instability if the resources aren't made available to raise teacher pay.

DP: Charter schools are the root cause of most of the instability outside of W3, so I'm not exactly sympathetic to this argument

Oh this is hilarious. You are naive or your child must be in the early grades.

Nope, the dysfunction and race to the bottom in DCPS is the root cause of why families choose charters. This would not change one bit if there were no charters.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

I’m PP. I just looked up my kids charter school (Breakthrough) and the average teacher salary is $64,860 with a range of 57,500-83,850. However all the admin make over $100,000. Let’s be honest I chose it for Montessori but I understand the teachers are not getting paid as high and that’s probably why we have had turnover.

The DCPS starting salary is 56k meaning that your school is paying starting salaries above DCPS. Have you looked at what DCPS administrators make? That contract has recently gone up as well. The starting salary is $130k.

ALL teachers in DC need fair compensation -- charter or DCPS. Looks like your charter has already tried to be competitive. What do you think will happen to teacher turnover next year when your charter (which had been competitive this year) is now competing with salaries that have gone up nearly 10,000+?

To be honest I don’t particularly care. That’s why the administration gets paid more. They need to figure out staffing. You seem to be arguing with yourself here anyway. I stated what teachers at my charter got paid and stated what administrators got paid. No where did I make a judgment about the pay. I’m of the opinion if a charter teacher doesn’t like the pay they should take their talents elsewhere. But I am somewhat insulated as there aren’t many Montessori schools to go to so people stay out of necessity.

I get it and I'm not arguing at all. There seems to be a prevailing narrative of teachers being dramatically underpaid with one of the prior posts mentioning charter teachers making 40k. I applaud you for looking it up and seeing that your charter starting range is $57K. I'm only noting that the 57K is above the range DCPS teachers started at this year and that the admin pay of your charter over $100k is still very much lower than the DCPS starting salary of $130K for administrators.

So, again, I'm not arguing but I do care and am very concerned that there will be a lot more turnover, lower morale and (charter) school instability if the resources aren't made available to raise teacher pay.

DP: Charter schools are the root cause of most of the instability outside of W3, so I'm not exactly sympathetic to this argument

Oh this is hilarious. You are naive or your child must be in the early grades.

Nope, the dysfunction and race to the bottom in DCPS is the root cause of why families choose charters. This would not change one bit if there were no charters.

It would end this current argument though.

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Anonymous wrote:Your wrong to think of this as legislation. This is oversight. Charters can pay their teachers more if they want.

Somewhat true -- the amount that charters have to pay their teachers is based on the amount of funding they receive. This funding (in theory) should be equitable with DCPS. If DC is providing an additional 170 million to DCPS outside of the per pupil funding formula for teacher salaries, then DCPS is getting thousands of dollars more per student than charters.

This could all be solved by charters committing in writing to using the funds to pay their teachers more. They won’t. It will go into a black hole that no one can track. They will continue to pay their teachers 40,000 a year. It’s a feature not a bug.

Lies. My charter school matches the DCPS scale to be competitive for educators. Also, publicly available reports show that the average salary for charter teachers two years ago was over 65K with a max over 130K.

I’m PP. I just looked up my kids charter school (Breakthrough) and the average teacher salary is $64,860 with a range of 57,500-83,850. However all the admin make over $100,000. Let’s be honest I chose it for Montessori but I understand the teachers are not getting paid as high and that’s probably why we have had turnover.

The DCPS starting salary is 56k meaning that your school is paying starting salaries above DCPS. Have you looked at what DCPS administrators make? That contract has recently gone up as well. The starting salary is $130k.

ALL teachers in DC need fair compensation -- charter or DCPS. Looks like your charter has already tried to be competitive. What do you think will happen to teacher turnover next year when your charter (which had been competitive this year) is now competing with salaries that have gone up nearly 10,000+?

To be honest I don’t particularly care. That’s why the administration gets paid more. They need to figure out staffing. You seem to be arguing with yourself here anyway. I stated what teachers at my charter got paid and stated what administrators got paid. No where did I make a judgment about the pay. I’m of the opinion if a charter teacher doesn’t like the pay they should take their talents elsewhere. But I am somewhat insulated as there aren’t many Montessori schools to go to so people stay out of necessity.

I get it and I'm not arguing at all. There seems to be a prevailing narrative of teachers being dramatically underpaid with one of the prior posts mentioning charter teachers making 40k. I applaud you for looking it up and seeing that your charter starting range is $57K. I'm only noting that the 57K is above the range DCPS teachers started at this year and that the admin pay of your charter over $100k is still very much lower than the DCPS starting salary of $130K for administrators.

So, again, I'm not arguing but I do care and am very concerned that there will be a lot more turnover, lower morale and (charter) school instability if the resources aren't made available to raise teacher pay.

DP: Charter schools are the root cause of most of the instability outside of W3, so I'm not exactly sympathetic to this argument

Oh this is hilarious. You are naive or your child must be in the early grades.

Nope, the dysfunction and race to the bottom in DCPS is the root cause of why families choose charters. This would not change one bit if there were no charters.

Charters are the worst thing for my gentrifying DCPS IB. If charters didn’t exist, I don’t think my IB ever would have gentrified. You need people to be willing to stay in DC and the public school system if they live EOTP. Charters did that 10-15 years ago.