WTU Contract and Charter Schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Council will soon be reviewing and approving the new WTU contract for teachers. It includes ~$170M for retroactive raises and bonuses. Though charter schools educate nearly half of students attending publicly funded schools in D.C., there is nothing in the legislation about providing $$$ for retroactive raises for charter schools.

If charters are willing to commit to spending the money on compensation/raises, why would we want to exclude nearly half of the teachers working in the District from this legislation? Personally, I don't think my child or my child's teacher should have access to fewer resources because we opted into a charter. How is this equitable?

This is stupid. The contract with between the WTU and the city. The charter teachers aren't in the WTU.

Look, I don't really like the WTU bc I think they do a massive disservice to their members, but your argument is dumb.

"This is stupid," as your opening is a clear indication of your character and temperament which makes me pray that you are not a teacher, educator, or parent. Why is it unreasonable to expect, regardless of WTU or not, that all public schools will be funded equally? Why is it unreasonable to expect that we would want all publicly funded schools to have access to the same resources?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Council will soon be reviewing and approving the new WTU contract for teachers. It includes ~$170M for retroactive raises and bonuses. Though charter schools educate nearly half of students attending publicly funded schools in D.C., there is nothing in the legislation about providing $$$ for retroactive raises for charter schools.

If charters are willing to commit to spending the money on compensation/raises, why would we want to exclude nearly half of the teachers working in the District from this legislation? Personally, I don't think my child or my child's teacher should have access to fewer resources because we opted into a charter. How is this equitable?

This is stupid. The contract with between the WTU and the city. The charter teachers aren't in the WTU.

Look, I don't really like the WTU bc I think they do a massive disservice to their members, but your argument is dumb.

"This is stupid," as your opening is a clear indication of your character and temperament which makes me pray that you are not a teacher, educator, or parent. Why is it unreasonable to expect, regardless of WTU or not, that all public schools will be funded equally? Why is it unreasonable to expect that we would want all publicly funded schools to have access to the same resources?

If the charter schools would GUARANTEE IN WRITING the money would go to teachers salaries - sure. But they won’t and the money won’t

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Council will soon be reviewing and approving the new WTU contract for teachers. It includes ~$170M for retroactive raises and bonuses. Though charter schools educate nearly half of students attending publicly funded schools in D.C., there is nothing in the legislation about providing $$$ for retroactive raises for charter schools.

If charters are willing to commit to spending the money on compensation/raises, why would we want to exclude nearly half of the teachers working in the District from this legislation? Personally, I don't think my child or my child's teacher should have access to fewer resources because we opted into a charter. How is this equitable?

This is stupid. The contract with between the WTU and the city. The charter teachers aren't in the WTU.

Look, I don't really like the WTU bc I think they do a massive disservice to their members, but your argument is dumb.

"This is stupid," as your opening is a clear indication of your character and temperament which makes me pray that you are not a teacher, educator, or parent. Why is it unreasonable to expect, regardless of WTU or not, that all public schools will be funded equally? Why is it unreasonable to expect that we would want all publicly funded schools to have access to the same resources?

This is a great idea. We should stop allowing PTA's to purchase technology and staff for their schools. It's not equitable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Council will soon be reviewing and approving the new WTU contract for teachers. It includes ~$170M for retroactive raises and bonuses. Though charter schools educate nearly half of students attending publicly funded schools in D.C., there is nothing in the legislation about providing $$$ for retroactive raises for charter schools.

If charters are willing to commit to spending the money on compensation/raises, why would we want to exclude nearly half of the teachers working in the District from this legislation? Personally, I don't think my child or my child's teacher should have access to fewer resources because we opted into a charter. How is this equitable?

This is stupid. The contract with between the WTU and the city. The charter teachers aren't in the WTU.

Look, I don't really like the WTU bc I think they do a massive disservice to their members, but your argument is dumb.

"This is stupid," as your opening is a clear indication of your character and temperament which makes me pray that you are not a teacher, educator, or parent. Why is it unreasonable to expect, regardless of WTU or not, that all public schools will be funded equally? Why is it unreasonable to expect that we would want all publicly funded schools to have access to the same resources?

It's stupid because the history of charter vs DCPS funding in this city is long and complicated. You seem unaware of it. Read up and you'll see that it's very complex and hard to say what "equal" even means. Teacher salaries alone are very complex because you have to consider the union, performance bonuses, and the labor market for certain specialized teachers. It sounds like you have a lot to learn.

But look. There are some benefits and some drawbacks to being part of a large system. DCPS has certain economies of scale. It's also less nimble. Pros and cons. Demanding that everything be the same when it benefits charters, but demanding flexibility when it suits you, is what makes you seem uninformed.

[Anonymous]

Charter schools are publicly funded and privately run. They are not public schools - there is a big difference and you should know them before you opt to send your children to one and before you start discussing equitability between two very different systems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Council will soon be reviewing and approving the new WTU contract for teachers. It includes ~$170M for retroactive raises and bonuses. Though charter schools educate nearly half of students attending publicly funded schools in D.C., there is nothing in the legislation about providing $$$ for retroactive raises for charter schools.

If charters are willing to commit to spending the money on compensation/raises, why would we want to exclude nearly half of the teachers working in the District from this legislation? Personally, I don't think my child or my child's teacher should have access to fewer resources because we opted into a charter. How is this equitable?

This is stupid. The contract with between the WTU and the city. The charter teachers aren't in the WTU.

Look, I don't really like the WTU bc I think they do a massive disservice to their members, but your argument is dumb.

"This is stupid," as your opening is a clear indication of your character and temperament which makes me pray that you are not a teacher, educator, or parent. Why is it unreasonable to expect, regardless of WTU or not, that all public schools will be funded equally? Why is it unreasonable to expect that we would want all publicly funded schools to have access to the same resources?

It's stupid because the history of charter vs DCPS funding in this city is long and complicated. You seem unaware of it. Read up and you'll see that it's very complex and hard to say what "equal" even means. Teacher salaries alone are very complex because you have to consider the union, performance bonuses, and the labor market for certain specialized teachers. It sounds like you have a lot to learn.

But look. There are some benefits and some drawbacks to being part of a large system. DCPS has certain economies of scale. It's also less nimble. Pros and cons. Demanding that everything be the same when it benefits charters, but demanding flexibility when it suits you, is what makes you seem uninformed.

Thanks for the advice. I did the research. When the contract was negotiated in 2017, charters were provided equivalent funding to DCPS.

More important, I don't actually care about union contracts or district vs. charter. I care about the amount of money being spent on schools in the public sector to be the same. You can argue that charter schools are not public schools all you want, but for the purposes of funding in DC, that's how they are treated.

The charter my child attends is a better fit for my kid than our neighborhood school. They should have access to fewer resources in their school because...? I'm sure my kids school will find the money to raise teachers salary. And I'm sure that it will impact what they can spend on the rest of their program. Which is not what's going to happen in DCPS schools. Its hard to believe anyone who is not an ideologue would be OK with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Council will soon be reviewing and approving the new WTU contract for teachers. It includes ~$170M for retroactive raises and bonuses. Though charter schools educate nearly half of students attending publicly funded schools in D.C., there is nothing in the legislation about providing $$$ for retroactive raises for charter schools.

If charters are willing to commit to spending the money on compensation/raises, why would we want to exclude nearly half of the teachers working in the District from this legislation? Personally, I don't think my child or my child's teacher should have access to fewer resources because we opted into a charter. How is this equitable?

This is stupid. The contract with between the WTU and the city. The charter teachers aren't in the WTU.

Look, I don't really like the WTU bc I think they do a massive disservice to their members, but your argument is dumb.

"This is stupid," as your opening is a clear indication of your character and temperament which makes me pray that you are not a teacher, educator, or parent. Why is it unreasonable to expect, regardless of WTU or not, that all public schools will be funded equally? Why is it unreasonable to expect that we would want all publicly funded schools to have access to the same resources?

It's stupid because the history of charter vs DCPS funding in this city is long and complicated. You seem unaware of it. Read up and you'll see that it's very complex and hard to say what "equal" even means. Teacher salaries alone are very complex because you have to consider the union, performance bonuses, and the labor market for certain specialized teachers. It sounds like you have a lot to learn.

But look. There are some benefits and some drawbacks to being part of a large system. DCPS has certain economies of scale. It's also less nimble. Pros and cons. Demanding that everything be the same when it benefits charters, but demanding flexibility when it suits you, is what makes you seem uninformed.

Thanks for the advice. I did the research. When the contract was negotiated in 2017, charters were provided equivalent funding to DCPS.

More important, I don't actually care about union contracts or district vs. charter. I care about the amount of money being spent on schools in the public sector to be the same. You can argue that charter schools are not public schools all you want, but for the purposes of funding in DC, that's how they are treated.

The charter my child attends is a better fit for my kid than our neighborhood school. They should have access to fewer resources in their school because...? I'm sure my kids school will find the money to raise teachers salary. And I'm sure that it will impact what they can spend on the rest of their program. Which is not what's going to happen in DCPS schools. Its hard to believe anyone who is not an ideologue would be OK with that.

If you think all kids should have the same level of resources then you should stand up in your next PTA meeting and tell them to stop fundraising. Enjoy.

[Anonymous]

The only solution is for all charter teachers to unionize. Unfortunately, it is really dangerous for teachers to take that on. While retaliation is illegal, it happens all the time and schools have gotten away with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Charter schools are publicly funded and privately run. They are not public schools - there is a big difference and you should know them before you opt to send your children to one and before you start discussing equitability between two very different systems.

+1

It is clear people don’t understand the charter system. You all love Basis but many of their policies would not happen in DCPS.

The other thing to remember is that DCPS schools must educate all students in their catchment area. It’s passive to attend your neighborhood school. Charters require action to do the lottery and enroll. Plus they can kick kids out or counsel them out much more easily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Council will soon be reviewing and approving the new WTU contract for teachers. It includes ~$170M for retroactive raises and bonuses. Though charter schools educate nearly half of students attending publicly funded schools in D.C., there is nothing in the legislation about providing $$$ for retroactive raises for charter schools.

If charters are willing to commit to spending the money on compensation/raises, why would we want to exclude nearly half of the teachers working in the District from this legislation? Personally, I don't think my child or my child's teacher should have access to fewer resources because we opted into a charter. How is this equitable?

This is stupid. The contract with between the WTU and the city. The charter teachers aren't in the WTU.

Look, I don't really like the WTU bc I think they do a massive disservice to their members, but your argument is dumb.

"This is stupid," as your opening is a clear indication of your character and temperament which makes me pray that you are not a teacher, educator, or parent. Why is it unreasonable to expect, regardless of WTU or not, that all public schools will be funded equally? Why is it unreasonable to expect that we would want all publicly funded schools to have access to the same resources?

It's stupid because the history of charter vs DCPS funding in this city is long and complicated. You seem unaware of it. Read up and you'll see that it's very complex and hard to say what "equal" even means. Teacher salaries alone are very complex because you have to consider the union, performance bonuses, and the labor market for certain specialized teachers. It sounds like you have a lot to learn.

But look. There are some benefits and some drawbacks to being part of a large system. DCPS has certain economies of scale. It's also less nimble. Pros and cons. Demanding that everything be the same when it benefits charters, but demanding flexibility when it suits you, is what makes you seem uninformed.

Thanks for the advice. I did the research. When the contract was negotiated in 2017, charters were provided equivalent funding to DCPS.

More important, I don't actually care about union contracts or district vs. charter. I care about the amount of money being spent on schools in the public sector to be the same. You can argue that charter schools are not public schools all you want, but for the purposes of funding in DC, that's how they are treated.

The charter my child attends is a better fit for my kid than our neighborhood school. They should have access to fewer resources in their school because...? I'm sure my kids school will find the money to raise teachers salary. And I'm sure that it will impact what they can spend on the rest of their program. Which is not what's going to happen in DCPS schools. Its hard to believe anyone who is not an ideologue would be OK with that.

When you sign your child up for a charter school, you are actively taking resources ($$$) from your neighborhood school. Anyone should not be ok with that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Council will soon be reviewing and approving the new WTU contract for teachers. It includes ~$170M for retroactive raises and bonuses. Though charter schools educate nearly half of students attending publicly funded schools in D.C., there is nothing in the legislation about providing $$$ for retroactive raises for charter schools.

If charters are willing to commit to spending the money on compensation/raises, why would we want to exclude nearly half of the teachers working in the District from this legislation? Personally, I don't think my child or my child's teacher should have access to fewer resources because we opted into a charter. How is this equitable?

This is stupid. The contract with between the WTU and the city. The charter teachers aren't in the WTU.

Look, I don't really like the WTU bc I think they do a massive disservice to their members, but your argument is dumb.

"This is stupid," as your opening is a clear indication of your character and temperament which makes me pray that you are not a teacher, educator, or parent. Why is it unreasonable to expect, regardless of WTU or not, that all public schools will be funded equally? Why is it unreasonable to expect that we would want all publicly funded schools to have access to the same resources?

It's stupid because the history of charter vs DCPS funding in this city is long and complicated. You seem unaware of it. Read up and you'll see that it's very complex and hard to say what "equal" even means. Teacher salaries alone are very complex because you have to consider the union, performance bonuses, and the labor market for certain specialized teachers. It sounds like you have a lot to learn.

But look. There are some benefits and some drawbacks to being part of a large system. DCPS has certain economies of scale. It's also less nimble. Pros and cons. Demanding that everything be the same when it benefits charters, but demanding flexibility when it suits you, is what makes you seem uninformed.

Thanks for the advice. I did the research. When the contract was negotiated in 2017, charters were provided equivalent funding to DCPS.

More important, I don't actually care about union contracts or district vs. charter. I care about the amount of money being spent on schools in the public sector to be the same. You can argue that charter schools are not public schools all you want, but for the purposes of funding in DC, that's how they are treated.

The charter my child attends is a better fit for my kid than our neighborhood school. They should have access to fewer resources in their school because...? I'm sure my kids school will find the money to raise teachers salary. And I'm sure that it will impact what they can spend on the rest of their program. Which is not what's going to happen in DCPS schools. Its hard to believe anyone who is not an ideologue would be OK with that.

Because charter schools don't educate all kids w/ special needs the way DCPS has to. Hence the average $ per pupil is not the same. Let's see a life skills classroom at the highly regarded charters, then we can talk equal funding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Council will soon be reviewing and approving the new WTU contract for teachers. It includes ~$170M for retroactive raises and bonuses. Though charter schools educate nearly half of students attending publicly funded schools in D.C., there is nothing in the legislation about providing $$$ for retroactive raises for charter schools.

If charters are willing to commit to spending the money on compensation/raises, why would we want to exclude nearly half of the teachers working in the District from this legislation? Personally, I don't think my child or my child's teacher should have access to fewer resources because we opted into a charter. How is this equitable?

This is stupid. The contract with between the WTU and the city. The charter teachers aren't in the WTU.

Look, I don't really like the WTU bc I think they do a massive disservice to their members, but your argument is dumb.

"This is stupid," as your opening is a clear indication of your character and temperament which makes me pray that you are not a teacher, educator, or parent. Why is it unreasonable to expect, regardless of WTU or not, that all public schools will be funded equally? Why is it unreasonable to expect that we would want all publicly funded schools to have access to the same resources?

It's stupid because the history of charter vs DCPS funding in this city is long and complicated. You seem unaware of it. Read up and you'll see that it's very complex and hard to say what "equal" even means. Teacher salaries alone are very complex because you have to consider the union, performance bonuses, and the labor market for certain specialized teachers. It sounds like you have a lot to learn.

But look. There are some benefits and some drawbacks to being part of a large system. DCPS has certain economies of scale. It's also less nimble. Pros and cons. Demanding that everything be the same when it benefits charters, but demanding flexibility when it suits you, is what makes you seem uninformed.

Thanks for the advice. I did the research. When the contract was negotiated in 2017, charters were provided equivalent funding to DCPS.

More important, I don't actually care about union contracts or district vs. charter. I care about the amount of money being spent on schools in the public sector to be the same. You can argue that charter schools are not public schools all you want, but for the purposes of funding in DC, that's how they are treated.

The charter my child attends is a better fit for my kid than our neighborhood school. They should have access to fewer resources in their school because...? I'm sure my kids school will find the money to raise teachers salary. And I'm sure that it will impact what they can spend on the rest of their program. Which is not what's going to happen in DCPS schools. Its hard to believe anyone who is not an ideologue would be OK with that.

Because charter schools don't educate all kids w/ special needs the way DCPS has to. Hence the average $ per pupil is not the same. Let's see a life skills classroom at the highly regarded charters, then we can talk equal funding.

+1

Charters do not educate the students with greatest needs.

And your charter school may have received funding in 2017 to match DCPS teachers but did it use that money to increase salaries of teachers? My guess is not to meet DCPS salaries. But check out some salaries in admin at charters!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Charter schools are publicly funded and privately run. They are not public schools - there is a big difference and you should know them before you opt to send your children to one and before you start discussing equitability between two very different systems.

+1

It is clear people don’t understand the charter system. You all love Basis but many of their policies would not happen in DCPS.

The other thing to remember is that DCPS schools must educate all students in their catchment area. It’s passive to attend your neighborhood school. Charters require action to do the lottery and enroll. Plus they can kick kids out or counsel them out much more easily.

There is literally no one who sends their kid to BASIS who does not understand that things they do at BASIS would not be allowed at DCPS. Things like academic rigor. No retakes. No social promotion. No minimum C grades. Those are features, not bugs!

Also, a lot of the whining about BASIS not letting parents redesign the curriculum would be the same in DCPS. I don't imagine JR is changing a 2000 kid school because a dozen parents complain.

[Anonymous]

charters are a fundamentally different system and even w increased funding most are not going to be willing to commit to retroactive teacher compensation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Charter schools are publicly funded and privately run. They are not public schools - there is a big difference and you should know them before you opt to send your children to one and before you start discussing equitability between two very different systems.

+1

It is clear people don’t understand the charter system. You all love Basis but many of their policies would not happen in DCPS.

The other thing to remember is that DCPS schools must educate all students in their catchment area. It’s passive to attend your neighborhood school. Charters require action to do the lottery and enroll. Plus they can kick kids out or counsel them out much more easily.

There is literally no one who sends their kid to BASIS who does not understand that things they do at BASIS would not be allowed at DCPS. Things like academic rigor. No retakes. No social promotion. No minimum C grades. Those are features, not bugs!

Also, a lot of the whining about BASIS not letting parents redesign the curriculum would be the same in DCPS. I don't imagine JR is changing a 2000 kid school because a dozen parents complain.

There are clearly posters on here who actually don’t understand how charters are different than DCPS. Basis was just an example.