Congressional Republicans Take Aim At D.C. Bill Allowing Non-Citizens To Vote In Local Elections

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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans are right on this one. Citizenship should mean something. You want to vote and participate in government, become a citizen. There is a well-established process for that. The votes of citizens should never be outweighed by those of non-citizens. This shouldn't even be controversial.

In other words, reflexive xenophobia compels you to oppose this proposal.

Good grief, give it a rest. There is absolutely nothing xenophobic about a citizenship requirement. This is the kind of woke name-calling that is driving moderates to vote R. By what right would I have as an American to just show up in Paris, Tokyo, Buenos Aires, etc. and demand that I be permitted a say in how they govern even though I'm not a citizen.

Plenty of countries allow this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote

The existing law allows any adult who happens to be born in the US to vote in local elections after living in DC for 30 days. This includes those who have no intention of making a permanent home in DC, such as college students.

Meanwhile, those who have lived in DC for years or even decades, who pay DC taxes, but for whatever reason do not hold US citizenship are barred from voting even in ANC elections.

The argument that only citizens should vote in federal elections seems reasonable. But barring non-citizen residents from voting in local elections doesn’t make a lot of sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

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Anonymous wrote:People in DC want to allow them to vote in local elections. It's the will of the people here. The rest of you can go pound sand.

As per the thread title, clearly not everyone in DC wants this.

The voters in DC want it. The Congressional Republicans are not voters in DC.

You didn’t say voters in DC. In any case, the voters did not directly approve it and I suspect if it was put to a referendum, like the criminal code, it would not pass. Congress has to approve DC laws. If Congress won’t approve it then it won’t be law. If it was such a priority for DC government then they should have passed it months ago when Democrats were in power. But clearly it wasn’t that big of a priority or maybe, just maybe, Democrats wouldn’t have approved it either. I don’t know if you’re reading the news but Kamala Harris is on border duty and she’s been quite vocal about border security and deportations are ramping up again. Allowing undocumented to vote doesn’t seem to be consistent with the Presidents policy message.

If you want to blame someone, blame Democrats starting with the DC Council and Mayor.

I don’t think you understand the process. This lays it out: https://dccouncil.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Legislative_Process_Flowchart.pdf

Overturning this legislation, as any, requires the House, Senate, and the President to act within 30 days. House Rs can jump up and down all they want to score cheap political points from people like you but there is no bipartisan, bicameral consensus to intervene in DC’s local affairs.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans are right on this one. Citizenship should mean something. You want to vote and participate in government, become a citizen. There is a well-established process for that. The votes of citizens should never be outweighed by those of non-citizens. This shouldn't even be controversial.

+1

This nonsense, right here is why Republicans still have the votes of moderates and some independents.This nonsense, right here is why Republicans still have the votes of moderates and some independence.

I realize this doesn’t matter in Washington DC but nationally it does.

+2

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Anonymous wrote:People in DC want to allow them to vote in local elections. It's the will of the people here. The rest of you can go pound sand.

As per the thread title, clearly not everyone in DC wants this.

The voters in DC want it. The Congressional Republicans are not voters in DC.

You didn’t say voters in DC. In any case, the voters did not directly approve it and I suspect if it was put to a referendum, like the criminal code, it would not pass. Congress has to approve DC laws. If Congress won’t approve it then it won’t be law. If it was such a priority for DC government then they should have passed it months ago when Democrats were in power. But clearly it wasn’t that big of a priority or maybe, just maybe, Democrats wouldn’t have approved it either. I don’t know if you’re reading the news but Kamala Harris is on border duty and she’s been quite vocal about border security and deportations are ramping up again. Allowing undocumented to vote doesn’t seem to be consistent with the Presidents policy message.

If you want to blame someone, blame Democrats starting with the DC Council and Mayor.

I don’t think you understand the process. This lays it out: https://dccouncil.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Legislative_Process_Flowchart.pdf

Overturning this legislation, as any, requires the House, Senate, and the President to act within 30 days. House Rs can jump up and down all they want to score cheap political points from people like you but there is no bipartisan, bicameral consensus to intervene in DC’s local affairs.

That’s for the education. If this is such a done deal, then why are you jumping up and down screaming about it?

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Anonymous wrote:People in DC want to allow them to vote in local elections. It's the will of the people here. The rest of you can go pound sand.

As per the thread title, clearly not everyone in DC wants this.

The voters in DC want it. The Congressional Republicans are not voters in DC.

You didn’t say voters in DC. In any case, the voters did not directly approve it and I suspect if it was put to a referendum, like the criminal code, it would not pass. Congress has to approve DC laws. If Congress won’t approve it then it won’t be law. If it was such a priority for DC government then they should have passed it months ago when Democrats were in power. But clearly it wasn’t that big of a priority or maybe, just maybe, Democrats wouldn’t have approved it either. I don’t know if you’re reading the news but Kamala Harris is on border duty and she’s been quite vocal about border security and deportations are ramping up again. Allowing undocumented to vote doesn’t seem to be consistent with the Presidents policy message.

If you want to blame someone, blame Democrats starting with the DC Council and Mayor.

I don’t think you understand the process. This lays it out: https://dccouncil.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Legislative_Process_Flowchart.pdf

Overturning this legislation, as any, requires the House, Senate, and the President to act within 30 days. House Rs can jump up and down all they want to score cheap political points from people like you but there is no bipartisan, bicameral consensus to intervene in DC’s local affairs.

That’s for the education. If this is such a done deal, then why are you jumping up and down screaming about it?

Huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

Sure. But the documentation requirements for proof of identity are very rigorous.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

Sure. But the documentation requirements for proof of identity are very rigorous.

It is. Ask any non-citizen who has attempted to get a drivers license in DC and they will tell you what a pain in the ass it is. The DC DMV is very strict. Only those non-citizens with the time and energy to go through that process are going to end up being allowed to vote in DC.