5 days a week in office is horrendous, I need a new job asap

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I used to a lot of audit and consulting work and the happiest by far company for working moms I ever did work at and had longest tenured employees had a strict zero WFH policy. Zero Flex Time on start and end dates, assigned lunch hours and an assigned break. With only a max of 10 minutes a day personal calls allowed during work hours. No internet on work computer and no personal cell phone use at desk. In emergency you get call on work phone.

The women I say that as it was literally 95 percent Moms loved it. Had choice of 7-3pm or 7:30 to 3:30pm.

Most women picked 7am it forced husband to chip in an make breakfast and gets kids on bus. Mom just got up showered and left. Mom
Then got home in time around kids getting off bus.

Mom had time ever day doctors appoints, dentists, sports for kids. Work outside office hours prohibited. There was no home access to work systems.

Work was very productive no chatting, politics and ran like a clock. Bosses would be written up if staff stayed late. The boss would tell everyone five minutes before me time to pack up, get coats. I recall area I was auditing they literally pulled push me out door a 3:35 pm and door locked a d lights out.

What it showed me it is not WFH people want it Is consistency. Yes they have sick days, maternity leave. Personal days. But ZERO half days no coming in late. They are even had Floaters assigned to cover your job when you were on vacation.

I was shocked. I never saw another company do this.

It was a 7.45 hour day in office. They worked 6 hour and 45 minutes a day.

This was probably pre-COVID.
This could not have been a professional job.
There is no way a mom would prefer to be at work at 7:00 a.m. (which means getting up at some un-Godly hour) vs. working from home.
The end.

Audit isn't as glamourous as your strategy consulting or distressed investing, but it certainly is a professional job.

I am not talking about HIS job, I'm talking about the job(s) the "happy" women were doing. Ok, now I'm thinking maybe it was a brothel.

European loan closing has 7-2:30pm kind of schedule (in NYC area). A lot of the closers have JD degrees. Really, disliking an incoherent man poster is one thing, but equating happy women to prostitutes?

[Anonymous]

Employers are not adapting. Screw that. Find a new job asap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to a lot of audit and consulting work and the happiest by far company for working moms I ever did work at and had longest tenured employees had a strict zero WFH policy. Zero Flex Time on start and end dates, assigned lunch hours and an assigned break. With only a max of 10 minutes a day personal calls allowed during work hours. No internet on work computer and no personal cell phone use at desk. In emergency you get call on work phone.

The women I say that as it was literally 95 percent Moms loved it. Had choice of 7-3pm or 7:30 to 3:30pm.

Most women picked 7am it forced husband to chip in an make breakfast and gets kids on bus. Mom just got up showered and left. Mom
Then got home in time around kids getting off bus.

Mom had time ever day doctors appoints, dentists, sports for kids. Work outside office hours prohibited. There was no home access to work systems.

Work was very productive no chatting, politics and ran like a clock. Bosses would be written up if staff stayed late. The boss would tell everyone five minutes before me time to pack up, get coats. I recall area I was auditing they literally pulled push me out door a 3:35 pm and door locked a d lights out.

What it showed me it is not WFH people want it Is consistency. Yes they have sick days, maternity leave. Personal days. But ZERO half days no coming in late. They are even had Floaters assigned to cover your job when you were on vacation.

I was shocked. I never saw another company do this.

It was a 7.45 hour day in office. They worked 6 hour and 45 minutes a day.

Sure sure. No working mother has EVER wanted any kind of flexibility. Right. Great research you did there!

And no personal cell phone use?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to a lot of audit and consulting work and the happiest by far company for working moms I ever did work at and had longest tenured employees had a strict zero WFH policy. Zero Flex Time on start and end dates, assigned lunch hours and an assigned break. With only a max of 10 minutes a day personal calls allowed during work hours. No internet on work computer and no personal cell phone use at desk. In emergency you get call on work phone.

The women I say that as it was literally 95 percent Moms loved it. Had choice of 7-3pm or 7:30 to 3:30pm.

Most women picked 7am it forced husband to chip in an make breakfast and gets kids on bus. Mom just got up showered and left. Mom
Then got home in time around kids getting off bus.

Mom had time ever day doctors appoints, dentists, sports for kids. Work outside office hours prohibited. There was no home access to work systems.

Work was very productive no chatting, politics and ran like a clock. Bosses would be written up if staff stayed late. The boss would tell everyone five minutes before me time to pack up, get coats. I recall area I was auditing they literally pulled push me out door a 3:35 pm and door locked a d lights out.

What it showed me it is not WFH people want it Is consistency. Yes they have sick days, maternity leave. Personal days. But ZERO half days no coming in late. They are even had Floaters assigned to cover your job when you were on vacation.

I was shocked. I never saw another company do this.

It was a 7.45 hour day in office. They worked 6 hour and 45 minutes a day.

That sounds like hell on earth

Makes me think of children at a strict parochial school. Or poor assembly line workers in a third world country.

Yeah or a slaughterhouse or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to a lot of audit and consulting work and the happiest by far company for working moms I ever did work at and had longest tenured employees had a strict zero WFH policy. Zero Flex Time on start and end dates, assigned lunch hours and an assigned break. With only a max of 10 minutes a day personal calls allowed during work hours. No internet on work computer and no personal cell phone use at desk. In emergency you get call on work phone.

The women I say that as it was literally 95 percent Moms loved it. Had choice of 7-3pm or 7:30 to 3:30pm.

Most women picked 7am it forced husband to chip in an make breakfast and gets kids on bus. Mom just got up showered and left. Mom
Then got home in time around kids getting off bus.

Mom had time ever day doctors appoints, dentists, sports for kids. Work outside office hours prohibited. There was no home access to work systems.

Work was very productive no chatting, politics and ran like a clock. Bosses would be written up if staff stayed late. The boss would tell everyone five minutes before me time to pack up, get coats. I recall area I was auditing they literally pulled push me out door a 3:35 pm and door locked a d lights out.

What it showed me it is not WFH people want it Is consistency. Yes they have sick days, maternity leave. Personal days. But ZERO half days no coming in late. They are even had Floaters assigned to cover your job when you were on vacation.

I was shocked. I never saw another company do this.

It was a 7.45 hour day in office. They worked 6 hour and 45 minutes a day.

Sure sure. No working mother has EVER wanted any kind of flexibility. Right. Great research you did there!

Actually all the Moms Did. It was in the suburbs most Moms lived 15 minutes from office. And was professional business jobs. The deadline to send wires do settlement is 3 pm and usually need to be in system by 2pm. They worked on exceptions and client issues in morning.

I did the work one summer was heaven. I be at the pool in the hotel nearby at 3:40 pm, then by 5pm changed for happy hour. And on Fridays in summer I see people headed out to beach house at 3pm straight from work. In winter women went to supermarket on lunch break. They had a great subsidized cafeteria.

Today I have a lot of women staff with kids and all 100 percent remote. I think they rather be out of house. All their husbands work in person and they are stuck double duty at home.

People don’t want to admit the ideal job is like a 15 minute commute, own office, subsidized cafeteria, perks, my last in person job I could leave anytime and run errands. My old job so close I still go over there for lunch sometimes!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to a lot of audit and consulting work and the happiest by far company for working moms I ever did work at and had longest tenured employees had a strict zero WFH policy. Zero Flex Time on start and end dates, assigned lunch hours and an assigned break. With only a max of 10 minutes a day personal calls allowed during work hours. No internet on work computer and no personal cell phone use at desk. In emergency you get call on work phone.

The women I say that as it was literally 95 percent Moms loved it. Had choice of 7-3pm or 7:30 to 3:30pm.

Most women picked 7am it forced husband to chip in an make breakfast and gets kids on bus. Mom just got up showered and left. Mom
Then got home in time around kids getting off bus.

Mom had time ever day doctors appoints, dentists, sports for kids. Work outside office hours prohibited. There was no home access to work systems.

Work was very productive no chatting, politics and ran like a clock. Bosses would be written up if staff stayed late. The boss would tell everyone five minutes before me time to pack up, get coats. I recall area I was auditing they literally pulled push me out door a 3:35 pm and door locked a d lights out.

What it showed me it is not WFH people want it Is consistency. Yes they have sick days, maternity leave. Personal days. But ZERO half days no coming in late. They are even had Floaters assigned to cover your job when you were on vacation.

I was shocked. I never saw another company do this.

It was a 7.45 hour day in office. They worked 6 hour and 45 minutes a day.

Sure sure. No working mother has EVER wanted any kind of flexibility. Right. Great research you did there!

Actually all the Moms Did. It was in the suburbs most Moms lived 15 minutes from office. And was professional business jobs. The deadline to send wires do settlement is 3 pm and usually need to be in system by 2pm. They worked on exceptions and client issues in morning.

I did the work one summer was heaven. I be at the pool in the hotel nearby at 3:40 pm, then by 5pm changed for happy hour. And on Fridays in summer I see people headed out to beach house at 3pm straight from work. In winter women went to supermarket on lunch break. They had a great subsidized cafeteria.

Today I have a lot of women staff with kids and all 100 percent remote. I think they rather be out of house. All their husbands work in person and they are stuck double duty at home.

People don’t want to admit the ideal job is like a 15 minute commute, own office, subsidized cafeteria, perks, my last in person job I could leave anytime and run errands. My old job so close I still go over there for lunch sometimes!

What are you babbling about? Most moms want WFH and flexibility, not to be chained to a factory floor with no phone access 7 to 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People have gotten so soft. You don’t like it, get a new job!

Is it that? Or do now they realize commuting is a pain in the neck not necessary?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to a lot of audit and consulting work and the happiest by far company for working moms I ever did work at and had longest tenured employees had a strict zero WFH policy. Zero Flex Time on start and end dates, assigned lunch hours and an assigned break. With only a max of 10 minutes a day personal calls allowed during work hours. No internet on work computer and no personal cell phone use at desk. In emergency you get call on work phone.

The women I say that as it was literally 95 percent Moms loved it. Had choice of 7-3pm or 7:30 to 3:30pm.

Most women picked 7am it forced husband to chip in an make breakfast and gets kids on bus. Mom just got up showered and left. Mom
Then got home in time around kids getting off bus.

Mom had time ever day doctors appoints, dentists, sports for kids. Work outside office hours prohibited. There was no home access to work systems.

Work was very productive no chatting, politics and ran like a clock. Bosses would be written up if staff stayed late. The boss would tell everyone five minutes before me time to pack up, get coats. I recall area I was auditing they literally pulled push me out door a 3:35 pm and door locked a d lights out.

What it showed me it is not WFH people want it Is consistency. Yes they have sick days, maternity leave. Personal days. But ZERO half days no coming in late. They are even had Floaters assigned to cover your job when you were on vacation.

I was shocked. I never saw another company do this.

It was a 7.45 hour day in office. They worked 6 hour and 45 minutes a day.

That sounds like hell on earth

Makes me think of children at a strict parochial school. Or poor assembly line workers in a third world country.

Yeah or a slaughterhouse or something.

+1 I was thinking of a factory of some kind

But that's great the job attracted the sort of people who like a rigid structure, and no flexibility. How wonderful that a workplace that sounds miserable and borderline abusive to me, could be a panacea for others.

OP - I would find another job, if possible, unless there is something special about this one that's keeping you there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to a lot of audit and consulting work and the happiest by far company for working moms I ever did work at and had longest tenured employees had a strict zero WFH policy. Zero Flex Time on start and end dates, assigned lunch hours and an assigned break. With only a max of 10 minutes a day personal calls allowed during work hours. No internet on work computer and no personal cell phone use at desk. In emergency you get call on work phone.

The women I say that as it was literally 95 percent Moms loved it. Had choice of 7-3pm or 7:30 to 3:30pm.

Most women picked 7am it forced husband to chip in an make breakfast and gets kids on bus. Mom just got up showered and left. Mom
Then got home in time around kids getting off bus.

Mom had time ever day doctors appoints, dentists, sports for kids. Work outside office hours prohibited. There was no home access to work systems.

Work was very productive no chatting, politics and ran like a clock. Bosses would be written up if staff stayed late. The boss would tell everyone five minutes before me time to pack up, get coats. I recall area I was auditing they literally pulled push me out door a 3:35 pm and door locked a d lights out.

What it showed me it is not WFH people want it Is consistency. Yes they have sick days, maternity leave. Personal days. But ZERO half days no coming in late. They are even had Floaters assigned to cover your job when you were on vacation.

I was shocked. I never saw another company do this.

It was a 7.45 hour day in office. They worked 6 hour and 45 minutes a day.

Sure sure. No working mother has EVER wanted any kind of flexibility. Right. Great research you did there!

Actually all the Moms Did. It was in the suburbs most Moms lived 15 minutes from office. And was professional business jobs. The deadline to send wires do settlement is 3 pm and usually need to be in system by 2pm. They worked on exceptions and client issues in morning.

I did the work one summer was heaven. I be at the pool in the hotel nearby at 3:40 pm, then by 5pm changed for happy hour. And on Fridays in summer I see people headed out to beach house at 3pm straight from work. In winter women went to supermarket on lunch break. They had a great subsidized cafeteria.

Today I have a lot of women staff with kids and all 100 percent remote. I think they rather be out of house. All their husbands work in person and they are stuck double duty at home.

People don’t want to admit the ideal job is like a 15 minute commute, own office, subsidized cafeteria, perks, my last in person job I could leave anytime and run errands. My old job so close I still go over there for lunch sometimes!

It sounds like what you're saying is that motherhood and marriage, for these women, was such a grind that this tedious, inflexible job provided them the out they needed to get out of the worst parts of home life. I'm not sure that's an endorsement of the job, so much as a critique of motherhood.

Also, just FYI, "moms" is lowercase in most of the instances you use here. Only capitalize if using as a proper noun - otherwise, lowercase:

"Hey, Mom!" I called up the stairs. "Why aren't you taking me to soccer?" The reason of course is because my mom was still at the slaughterhouse.

[Anonymous]

You know you are free to look for another job. Your office is probably interested in reducing staff and are using the 5 days in the office rule to get rid of people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to a lot of audit and consulting work and the happiest by far company for working moms I ever did work at and had longest tenured employees had a strict zero WFH policy. Zero Flex Time on start and end dates, assigned lunch hours and an assigned break. With only a max of 10 minutes a day personal calls allowed during work hours. No internet on work computer and no personal cell phone use at desk. In emergency you get call on work phone.

The women I say that as it was literally 95 percent Moms loved it. Had choice of 7-3pm or 7:30 to 3:30pm.

Most women picked 7am it forced husband to chip in an make breakfast and gets kids on bus. Mom just got up showered and left. Mom
Then got home in time around kids getting off bus.

Mom had time ever day doctors appoints, dentists, sports for kids. Work outside office hours prohibited. There was no home access to work systems.

Work was very productive no chatting, politics and ran like a clock. Bosses would be written up if staff stayed late. The boss would tell everyone five minutes before me time to pack up, get coats. I recall area I was auditing they literally pulled push me out door a 3:35 pm and door locked a d lights out.

What it showed me it is not WFH people want it Is consistency. Yes they have sick days, maternity leave. Personal days. But ZERO half days no coming in late. They are even had Floaters assigned to cover your job when you were on vacation.

I was shocked. I never saw another company do this.

It was a 7.45 hour day in office. They worked 6 hour and 45 minutes a day.

Sure sure. No working mother has EVER wanted any kind of flexibility. Right. Great research you did there!

Actually all the Moms Did. It was in the suburbs most Moms lived 15 minutes from office. And was professional business jobs. The deadline to send wires do settlement is 3 pm and usually need to be in system by 2pm. They worked on exceptions and client issues in morning.

I did the work one summer was heaven. I be at the pool in the hotel nearby at 3:40 pm, then by 5pm changed for happy hour. And on Fridays in summer I see people headed out to beach house at 3pm straight from work. In winter women went to supermarket on lunch break. They had a great subsidized cafeteria.

Today I have a lot of women staff with kids and all 100 percent remote. I think they rather be out of house. All their husbands work in person and they are stuck double duty at home.

People don’t want to admit the ideal job is like a 15 minute commute, own office, subsidized cafeteria, perks, my last in person job I could leave anytime and run errands. My old job so close I still go over there for lunch sometimes!

Okay, I give in. Where in Russia is this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have been back 4 days for the last year and a half but we were told it’s now 5 days. I am exhausted. Am I crazy to use this as a reason to find a new job? This is worth so much

What exactly is so exhausting? showering daily? getting dressed? commute? the commute was ok when you took the job. How is its just soooo exhausting now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People have gotten so soft. You don’t like it, get a new job!

Employers have become more reasonable as they've recognized that telework provides huge benefits to employees at minimal or no cost to employers. It's a great retention tool.

^^^ Fixed that for you.

what are the benefits to employees? Commute is the only thing I can think of

[Anonymous]

This lazy attitude is exactly why 75% of the companies in America are laying off a minimum of 20% of their staff. Linkedin these days is nothing but " I was laidoff. I need a job" postings.

You are wasting company money by not being productive at WFH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People have gotten so soft. You don’t like it, get a new job!

Employers have become more reasonable as they've recognized that telework provides huge benefits to employees at minimal or no cost to employers. It's a great retention tool.

^^^ Fixed that for you.

what are the benefits to employees? Commute is the only thing I can think of

Commute is huge. But also not being in a distracting germ filled office, for me a more comfortable office (not freezing like my work office, more comfortable desk and chair), more comfortable clothes, access to full kitchen and thus better/healthier food options, ability to do chores/errands during lunch break.