MoCo defunded police/school resource officers, causing a school shooting and a lawsuit

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no evidence that even if there were an SRO in the building that this incident would not have happened. In fact there is very little evidence SROs prevent school violence. But there is evidence they increase fear and increase disparities in school discipline. No SROs in MCPS. They made the right decision.

Every single principal in MCPS was in favor of SROs. Why not trust them instead of making guesses about what's best for their school?

Just because people think something works doesn’t make it true. Of course principals wanted someone else in a building they could blame if something goes wrong. It takes the responsibility of actually making schools a safe and supportive place away….

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Students testified about the fact that SROs made them feel unsafe.

I don’t believe this is representative for a second. Kind of like how white leftists claim that black people don’t want policing… when in fact surveys say they do.

My DD, a straight A student and aactual Black person not raised by leftist Whites, says they made her feel unsafe.

Why did she feel unsafe? Was it something the officer did, or does she not like certain types of people?

"Approximately 63% (n=2,483) of teachers in the study reported SRO
presence in their school buildings. Results of the current study suggest that teachers positively
associate SRO presence with feelings of safety and security, but they perceive students to be more
fearful and less secure in buildings employing SROs."

https://edsource.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/01-The-Influence-of-School-Resource-Officer-Presence-on-Teacher-Perceptions-of-School-Safety-and-.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no evidence that even if there were an SRO in the building that this incident would not have happened. In fact there is very little evidence SROs prevent school violence. But there is evidence they increase fear and increase disparities in school discipline. No SROs in MCPS. They made the right decision.

Every single principal in MCPS was in favor of SROs. Why not trust them instead of making guesses about what's best for their school?

Just because people think something works doesn’t make it true. Of course principals wanted someone else in a building they could blame if something goes wrong. It takes the responsibility of actually making schools a safe and supportive place away….

This!

Students testified about the fact that SROs made them feel unsafe.

I don’t believe this is representative for a second. Kind of like how white leftists claim that black people don’t want policing… when in fact surveys say they do.

My DD, a straight A student and aactual Black person not raised by leftist Whites, says they made her feel unsafe.

Why did she feel unsafe? Was it something the officer did, or does she not like certain types of people?

"Approximately 63% (n=2,483) of teachers in the study reported SRO
presence in their school buildings. Results of the current study suggest that teachers positively
associate SRO presence with feelings of safety and security, but they perceive students to be more
fearful and less secure in buildings employing SROs."

https://edsource.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/01-The-Influence-of-School-Resource-Officer-Presence-on-Teacher-Perceptions-of-School-Safety-and-.pdf

The kids are getting their information from social media, so their fear has nothing to do with reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County should not have defunded school resource officers.

Now one student will spend most of his adult life in prison.

Worse for you, your school system has to pay out millions to defend (and likely settle) a lawsuit by the family of a shooting victim, all because of Montgomery County's foolish decision:


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/maryland-gun-violence-former-student-sentenced-after-shooting-15-year-old-classmate-at-montgomery-county-high-school/65-5431a3f5-7a46-49f5-a421-03a66cc2578f


From that article:

" In November, the mother sued MCPS, saying the lack of school resource police officers was partially to blame for her son’s life-threatening injuries."

If you live in MoCo, demand a return to sanity, and the restoration of school resource officers immediatly.

If your county politicians are outside of MoCo, and are considering eliminating school resource officers, demand they abandon such foolish ideas.

Keep our kids safe!

Parkland had SROs.

Two things are true:

All cops are bastards (and shouldn’t be around our children). And most of them are cowards and useless in a shooting like this (see Parkland).

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no evidence that even if there were an SRO in the building that this incident would not have happened. In fact there is very little evidence SROs prevent school violence. But there is evidence they increase fear and increase disparities in school discipline. No SROs in MCPS. They made the right decision.

Every single principal in MCPS was in favor of SROs. Why not trust them instead of making guesses about what's best for their school?

Just because people think something works doesn’t make it true. Of course principals wanted someone else in a building they could blame if something goes wrong. It takes the responsibility of actually making schools a safe and supportive place away….

This!

Students testified about the fact that SROs made them feel unsafe.

I don’t believe this is representative for a second. Kind of like how white leftists claim that black people don’t want policing… when in fact surveys say they do.

My DD, a straight A student and aactual Black person not raised by leftist Whites, says they made her feel unsafe.

Why did she feel unsafe? Was it something the officer did, or does she not like certain types of people?

"Approximately 63% (n=2,483) of teachers in the study reported SRO
presence in their school buildings. Results of the current study suggest that teachers positively
associate SRO presence with feelings of safety and security, but they perceive students to be more
fearful and less secure in buildings employing SROs."

https://edsource.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/01-The-Influence-of-School-Resource-Officer-Presence-on-Teacher-Perceptions-of-School-Safety-and-.pdf

The kids are getting their information from social media, so their fear has nothing to do with reality.

The reality is that they are fearful, regardless of whether you think that fear is justified. And that does not make for a good learning environment.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think this would have made any difference. Look at another local school shooting at Edmund Burke in NW DC. The security guard was one of the first people shot and he was lucky to even survive at all. His presence didn’t deter a maniac in a sniper’s nest.

Why aren’t we addressing the fact that MCPS secondary schools are WAY too big to meet the needs of students in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is MCPS at fault. The shooter is to blame. Also, is there a breakdown of what types of crime is happening at the schools and how they are being handled? I’d like to know why the police is called and then bring in the race data to see if there is an issue because if it is blacks responsible for the most serious crimes, then there really isn’t a problem.

The lawsuit names the school system, as the they are the ones who elimianted the SRO program entirely.

MCPS didn’t eliminate the SROs, MoCo county council/exec did. The SROs are police officers and work for the county. The arrangement was a partnership, but the decision was not MCPS’s. (I think the lawsuit is suing the wrong entity.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is MCPS at fault. The shooter is to blame. Also, is there a breakdown of what types of crime is happening at the schools and how they are being handled? I’d like to know why the police is called and then bring in the race data to see if there is an issue because if it is blacks responsible for the most serious crimes, then there really isn’t a problem.

The lawsuit names the school system, as the they are the ones who elimianted the SRO program entirely.

MCPS didn’t eliminate the SROs, MoCo county council/exec did. The SROs are police officers and work for the county. The arrangement was a partnership, but the decision was not MCPS’s. (I think the lawsuit is suing the wrong entity.)

Then the county council and exec should be recalled and removed from office.

Next, elect competent county leaders who will keep our kids safe!

[Anonymous]

I work in PGCPS. We have a SRO. Do I feel safer? Hell to the no. I do not trust that old, fat guy to save my life or the life of a student.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is MCPS at fault. The shooter is to blame. Also, is there a breakdown of what types of crime is happening at the schools and how they are being handled? I’d like to know why the police is called and then bring in the race data to see if there is an issue because if it is blacks responsible for the most serious crimes, then there really isn’t a problem.

The lawsuit names the school system, as the they are the ones who elimianted the SRO program entirely.

MCPS didn’t eliminate the SROs, MoCo county council/exec did. The SROs are police officers and work for the county. The arrangement was a partnership, but the decision was not MCPS’s. (I think the lawsuit is suing the wrong entity.)

Then the county council and exec should be recalled and removed from office.

Next, elect competent county leaders who will keep our kids safe!

Council is following the research on what works and what doesn’t. Pretty happy with them….

[Anonymous]

Why do businesses hire off-duty police if they are useless then? I've seen them at nightclubs and at some stores (for example Apple store in Bethesda).

Based on what I've read here about SROs in MCPS, having a police officer on site is no deterrent, and has no affect on safety. I guess all those businesses are just wasting their money!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do businesses hire off-duty police if they are useless then? I've seen them at nightclubs and at some stores (for example Apple store in Bethesda).

Based on what I've read here about SROs in MCPS, having a police officer on site is no deterrent, and has no affect on safety. I guess all those businesses are just wasting their money!

The difference is that a school is a contained community. In any other place the people you’re with are strangers and there is an inherent fear and distrust. This doesn’t work in an environment like a school where you need to be around the same people and trust them. If instead of working to build the trust you put in an officer, you’re just sowing more distrust rather than improving the school climate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do businesses hire off-duty police if they are useless then? I've seen them at nightclubs and at some stores (for example Apple store in Bethesda).

Based on what I've read here about SROs in MCPS, having a police officer on site is no deterrent, and has no affect on safety. I guess all those businesses are just wasting their money!

I sincerely hope this is some next level trolling. If so, bravo!

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/11/gold-gun-gold-getaway-car-2-arrested-after-armed-robbery-at-bethesda-row-apple-store/#:~:text=The%20Apple%20store%20robbery%20happened,gold%20slide%20and%20extended%20magazine.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/couple-who-robbed-bethesda-apple-store-arrested

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do businesses hire off-duty police if they are useless then? I've seen them at nightclubs and at some stores (for example Apple store in Bethesda).

Based on what I've read here about SROs in MCPS, having a police officer on site is no deterrent, and has no affect on safety. I guess all those businesses are just wasting their money!

1. Actually, most security guards at retail establishments are ineffective.
2. Retail establishments hire security guards to prevent theft, not protect people. Not at all the same thing.

[Anonymous]

None of this navel gazing is relevant. The family is suing whatever entity has money with whatever reason the attorneys felt had legal teeth so the family can get a payout. That’s it. If the shooter had come from a wealthy family they’d be suing them, too, but they’re not. My heart goes out to the victim and his family and I hope they get every penny they seek. Because at my core, I know in an emergency, all students are only as safe as they are lucky. Not just in schools but literally everywhere with our gun violence problem in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of this navel gazing is relevant. The family is suing whatever entity has money with whatever reason the attorneys felt had legal teeth so the family can get a payout. That’s it. If the shooter had come from a wealthy family they’d be suing them, too, but they’re not. My heart goes out to the victim and his family and I hope they get every penny they seek. Because at my core, I know in an emergency, all students are only as safe as they are lucky. Not just in schools but literally everywhere with our gun violence problem in this country.

I agree with almost everything you said, except the bolded.

Why do you think they should get every penny that they seek?