Admission for athletic recruits

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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

So all the constant yammering about how lacrosse and fencing and other "white sports" are a way for academically weak white kids to sneak into elite schools is not actually true. You can only get in as an athletic recruit with inferior grades and test scores in the "less white" sports like basketball and football. Another myth busted!

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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

So all the constant yammering about how lacrosse and fencing and other "white sports" are a way for academically weak white kids to sneak into elite schools is not actually true. You can only get in as an athletic recruit with inferior grades and test scores in the "less white" sports like basketball and football. Another myth busted!

Basketball and Football fill the arenas and stadiums and attract students. They also bring in a TON, sh*tload of $$ to a school. That is why it is the way it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Checkout this video at the seven minutes mark. He was the top three recruit, ranked #1 in the country at the age of eighteen. However, he couldn't get into Yale or UPenn due to his 1200 SAT score. Good enough to get into UVA. He left UVA after one year to go to UChicago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md_2xZ7YIqE&t=1620s

I guess Yale and UPenn do want athletes who also have high SAT scores. Very revealing.

It's for Tennis. See what would happen if the number 1 ranked mens basketball recruit wanted to attend Yale with a 1200 SAT

Anyone who thinks the Ivies don't compromise academics for sports is totally kidding themselves. My kid is a recruited athlete and we know for a fact that Harvard, Yale, etc. will dip way down academically if the kid is very good at their sport, even for non-revenue generating sports. But all of this is a moot point now because Ivies are test optional and the NCAA no longer has a minimum SAT score requirement. So I can guarantee you there are kids who couldn't even get close to a 1200 on their SAT who are at Ivies now and heading there in the future as long as test optional is in place.

In our experience, D3 schools--unlike Ivies-- actually care about academics w/ respect to athletes. While they may make slight compromises on standards, it's nothing like the Ivies. For example, there are plenty of kids in my kids' sport who announce at the beginning of their junior year that they are verbally committed to Harvard/Yale/Princeton. That means they are getting the nod from these schools based on 2 years of grades (freshman, sophomore) + test optional. Ivies are a total joke in this regard. For this and other reasons, the Ivies are no longer the premiere academic institutions in this country.

Do you know what the Academic Index is and how it works?

Now that it's test optional, it means the really good athlete goes to a diploma mill that will give them the GPA they need

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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

So all the constant yammering about how lacrosse and fencing and other "white sports" are a way for academically weak white kids to sneak into elite schools is not actually true. You can only get in as an athletic recruit with inferior grades and test scores in the "less white" sports like basketball and football. Another myth busted!

Basketball and Football fill the arenas and stadiums and attract students. They also bring in a TON, sh*tload of $$ to a school. That is why it is the way it is.

This. University presidents don't have to explain away a poor soccer season to big donors, but they better have answer if football isn't preforming up to expectations

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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

So all the constant yammering about how lacrosse and fencing and other "white sports" are a way for academically weak white kids to sneak into elite schools is not actually true. You can only get in as an athletic recruit with inferior grades and test scores in the "less white" sports like basketball and football. Another myth busted!

Basketball and Football fill the arenas and stadiums and attract students. They also bring in a TON, sh*tload of $$ to a school. That is why it is the way it is.

This. University presidents don't have to explain away a poor soccer season to big donors, but they better have answer if football isn't preforming up to expectations

+1,000,000

And much bigger turnover for head coaches that aren't 'performing well' in football and basketball.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

So all the constant yammering about how lacrosse and fencing and other "white sports" are a way for academically weak white kids to sneak into elite schools is not actually true. You can only get in as an athletic recruit with inferior grades and test scores in the "less white" sports like basketball and football. Another myth busted!

Basketball and Football fill the arenas and stadiums and attract students. They also bring in a TON, sh*tload of $$ to a school. That is why it is the way it is.

This. University presidents don't have to explain away a poor soccer season to big donors, but they better have answer if football isn't preforming up to expectations

Yep. I am the pp you quoted and my sons are soccer players. Yet, I understand and ok with the reason $$ isn't there for soccer scholarships. We weren't running into a stadium with 'Enter Sandman" playing and having thousands of screaming students and alums at the game and watching at bars and TVs at home .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is this clown able to major in economics at UC without flunking out

What does it say about UC having a clown major in economics and about to graduate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

This is definitely not true to some of the P/H/Yrecruits at our school, decent students but would not get in based on academic merit alone, not even close. Non revenue sports.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

This is definitely not true to some of the P/H/Yrecruits at our school, decent students but would not get in based on academic merit alone, not even close. Non revenue sports.

I agree. my recruited athlete got into swarthmore, but had good academics (1510, 4.7 GPA). It would have been a lottery without the sport.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

This is definitely not true to some of the P/H/Yrecruits at our school, decent students but would not get in based on academic merit alone, not even close. Non revenue sports.

And with Test Optional, they may not be submitting scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's kind of funny that people cite the athletics as the hook.

But, in reality, for kids that really, really want to play at a D1 top 20 school...his/her academic record/test scores are actually the hook to get on the team. They will be able to get on the team with lesser talent than a better player that doesn't have the grades/test scores.

Ummmmm...these are high level academic colleges. Of course that is the hook. The odd thing is wanting to let in those athletes over other attributes but that is just how it is.

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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

This is definitely not true to some of the P/H/Yrecruits at our school, decent students but would not get in based on academic merit alone, not even close. Non revenue sports.

And with Test Optional, they may not be submitting scores.

No they are required to submit scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

OMG, this is not true. Yes, I understand the Academic Index, but I have seen this in action and have had it confirmed by a close friend who works in admissions. Anyone who thinks all athletes meet Ivy standards is ridiculous. And I am a parent of two recruited athletes...so I am saying this as someone who benefits from this process.

NESCAC, MIT, CalTech are different....they have academic standards. The Ivies do not demand this for all applicants (of course, many athletes meet these standards, but plenty do not)

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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

This is definitely not true to some of the P/H/Yrecruits at our school, decent students but would not get in based on academic merit alone, not even close. Non revenue sports.

And with Test Optional, they may not be submitting scores.

No they are required to submit scores.

This is not true for all Ivies for all sports. Stop spreading misinformation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.

This is definitely not true to some of the P/H/Yrecruits at our school, decent students but would not get in based on academic merit alone, not even close. Non revenue sports.

And with Test Optional, they may not be submitting scores.

No they are required to submit scores.

This is not true for all Ivies for all sports. Stop spreading misinformation

Fine, the athletic recruits I know at top Ivy and T20 schools were all required to submit a standardized test score that exceeded a minimum set by the college. Happy now?