Admission for athletic recruits

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Anonymous wrote:Lacrosse is played in like 4 states. It is really not a big deal elsewhere.

It's always 1985 on DCUM.

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Would a decent football player who took AP calculus in high school get admitted to an Ivy?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins is much more lax with their D1 lax admissions standard than their standards for D3 sports.

The bigger the stage in the sport, the more relaxed the standard tends to be. On the high academic side, that translates to power 5 schools like Stanford, Northwestern, Vandy, and Duke having more admissions flexibility than the athletically less competitive Ivy League schools, which have more flexibility than the D3 schools like MIT, Chicago, Wash U, Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, most of Hopkins, ect.

For non revenue sports, Stanford has a higher minimum score threshold than the Ivy League. No index though, so you could have a team with lots of kids who scored in the 1300-1350 range, where Ivy teams will have a handful who scored in the 1200-1250 range and the majority much higher.

This is incorrect for almost all non-revenue sports. I was on the Stanford campus for much of the last decade and am familiar with their athletic dept. It is true that there are a few sports, like squash and sailing to name a couple, where most of the student-athletes at the very highest level sport wise are already scoring well above 1300, so they are not seeing a dip at Stanford. In those few sports, Stanford's teams are as strong academically as the Ivy League or even the high-academic D3s, but that is the limited exception and not the rule. If someone is a rockstar in a sport but has much lower academic profile though, Stanford could get them in while the Ivy coach would be out of luck.

Have seen just the opposite over the last few years with several rockstar kids playing non-revenue team sports. Stanford coaches could not guarantee admission, and they ended up at Ivies. We also know of a couple cases where the Stanford coaches told recruits that admission was likely but in the end the kid got a thumbs down. The nice thing about Stanford recruitment is that you send in your application over the summer and hear back in August or September, so there is time to figure out another good option. I’m certainly not disputing that there are plenty of kids on all Stanford teams that have impeccable academic records.

Must be really low level sports like fencing sailing or crew

Nope. I’m doubting you have recent experience with kids being recruited by both Stanford and Ivies for team sports, but there is no need to keep arguing about it. Any kid good enough to get serious consideration by Stanford is going to have plenty of great options.

Going back to the topic of the original post, I am with those who find it impressive, if surprising, that the guy in the video will end up with an economics degree from the University of Chicago—that’s a great use of athletic talent. His Chicago junior year tennis bio indicates he was on the UAA all-academic team, so he must have had a GPA of at least 3.30. Will be interesting to see if he achieves his Pickleball pro dreams.

There is limited overlap in the Ivy and Stanford group of athletes, right? I've seen more between the Ivy League and the high-end academic D3s locally.

Really depends on the sport and kid, but most families with kids who are great athletes and excellent students are going to choose a Stanford or Duke first (especially if the kid has pro prospects), but will still thrilled with an Ivy that they can afford. Anyone who values excellence at both will also be considering Amherst etc. it’s all a game of musical chairs for the sort of DCUM college parent whose kid is very athletic.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is being recruited by JHU. Was told by the coach that they want to see 1500/34 and top 10% of HS class.

JHU = D3
Not the same answer for D1 schools.

We were told the same for the Ivies (D1 schools).

So if I am understanding correctly, despite the test-optional policy, we should expect that the Ivy League schools reaching out to our student-athlete ("top" sport like football/basketball/lacrosse) will request ACT/SAT scores? Also, when should we expect Ivy League recruiting to end practically speaking? End of junior year? End of first semester senior year?

Thank you!

I love how uiy lumped lacrosse as a top sport

At many schools it is a top sport but (other than at JHU) not to the extent of football or hoops.

"Top sport" in what way? Maybe there would be a lot of interest in playing it at certain schools, but I don't see it as a top revenue generator.

Do a lot of these athletes continue to play their sport year after year once admitted? They're not getting a scholarship for it, and I'm assuming they can't be dismissed for choosing to quit. I wonder if some use it for a bump in admissions and then quit.

Your kids must not be athletes. Nobody does all the years of work needed to get recruited to play at college level just so they can get into a good school and then quit. The few that quit probably got injured.

Oh, they absolutely do.

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Anonymous wrote:About 1600 African American kids scored above 1400 on the SAT last year. About 15000 Asian American kids did. Thus the need for slightly different admission standards.

The SAT is becoming less relevant for admissions. Check the trend.

NCAA still requires scores I do believe---and the schools.

Nope. NCAA has waived test requirements through 2024.

WHOA. That is HUGE!!

I haven’t found anything that says they are waived for the HS Class of 2024 - yet. It seems like it will be the case, but what is currently published is that for those enrolling for 2023-24 test scores are not required for NCAA eligibility. I have a 2024 recruit and am watching for this, so if it is published, please correct me.

My athlete is working with Power 5 schools, hasn’t tested at all, and hasn’t been asked for test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Would a decent football player who took AP calculus in high school get admitted to an Ivy?