16 yo Orphan Teen Deemed "Not Mature" Enough to Get an Abortion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone read the article? The judge told her to wait a couple days because she was distraught and grief stricken after a friend died. She previously wanted the pregnancy. Sounds like he just wanted her to take a breather before going forward. That doesn’t sound unreasonable. He didn’t say she wasn’t mature enough to get the abortion. Florida law says minors need parental consent because they lack the maturity to make the decision on their own. She has no parents so that’s why she has to to see the judge. I’m pro choice but y’all are taking the article out of context.

So can’t he just order her to wait three days then do what she wants?

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone read the article? The judge told her to wait a couple days because she was distraught and grief stricken after a friend died. She previously wanted the pregnancy. Sounds like he just wanted her to take a breather before going forward. That doesn’t sound unreasonable. He didn’t say she wasn’t mature enough to get the abortion. Florida law says minors need parental consent because they lack the maturity to make the decision on their own. She has no parents so that’s why she has to to see the judge. I’m pro choice but y’all are taking the article out of context.

So can’t he just order her to wait three days then do what she wants?

No, he’s a patronizing POS who wants to control her body. And throw obstacles in her path.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone read the article? The judge told her to wait a couple days because she was distraught and grief stricken after a friend died. She previously wanted the pregnancy. Sounds like he just wanted her to take a breather before going forward. That doesn’t sound unreasonable. He didn’t say she wasn’t mature enough to get the abortion. Florida law says minors need parental consent because they lack the maturity to make the decision on their own. She has no parents so that’s why she has to to see the judge. I’m pro choice but y’all are taking the article out of context.

So can’t he just order her to wait three days then do what she wants?

DP. He should not do that. He can give her a suggestion that she take a few more days to consider he decision but otherwise he should have granted her request to be allowed to obtain an abortion.

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The delay is not a bug, but a feature.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay is not a bug, but a feature.

This x a million

I’m so ashamed of what the US has become.

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Anonymous wrote:Mature enough to be a parent, but not mature enough to get an abortion....

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/16/parentless-teen-cant-have-an-abortion-under-state-parental-consent-law-00052211
Florida court says teen isn't mature enough to get an abortion
The teen, identified only as Jane Doe 22-B, has no parents.

— A Florida court of appeal this week upheld a decision stating a 16-year-old teen could not get an abortion because she lacked the maturity to make such a decision, even after the parentless teen said she was not ready to have a child and is still in school.

An opinion released Monday by the Florida 1st District Court of Appeal upheld an earlier decision by a state court judge. That judge was not convinced the teen had demonstrated the maturity to choose to get an abortion. The teen, identified only as Jane Doe 22-B, has no parents but is in the care of Florida’s child welfare agency and has a guardian. She is about 10 weeks pregnant and currently resides with a relative.

“The minor states that she is sufficiently mature to make the decision, saying she ‘is not ready to have a baby,’ she doesn’t have a job, she is ‘still in school,’” the Monday order states. “And the father is unable to assist her.”

Florida abortion law requires parents to consent before a minor can have an abortion. But underage teens can also circumvent the consent requirement by asking for a waiver from a state circuit court judge. According to the appeal court’s decision, the teen’s guardian supports the teen’s wish to get an abortion.

Is she being forced to raise the child? Giving birth doesn’t make you a parent.

She’s being forced to carry a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

You obviously were not forced to read the entire article.

She was prevented from getting an abortion on her time table. She’s carrying a pregnancy that she does not want.

She was given more obstacles to obtain medical care.

She was given more time, not obstacles, to not make a rash decision because when has been dithering with her decision. You know that.

No, the court did not give her more time. The trial court was willing to do that, but the appellate court refused to remand for further consideration. She was 10 weeks pregnant a week ago when the lower court issued its order, so she’s now 11 weeks. By court rules, it will be at least two more weeks before the appellate court order becomes final, at which point she will be 13 weeks pregnant. That will leave her less than two weeks to file a new petition, have it granted (if it would even be considered given that the court already ruled on her prior petition), and then schedule and obtain an abortion.

Realistically, that’s not going to happen. She will have to sneak out of state for the abortion or will be forced to continue the pregnancy.

One correction to the above, the trial court order was without prejudice, so the court probably would consider a new petition once the appellate order becomes final. But that still leaves her wi the a very limited time frame, and having to hope she draws a judge who will see the case differently. The dissent in the appellate case makes clear the extent to which the trial court acknowledged she had valid grounds for seeking the abortion and seemed mature enough to make the decision, and he was just using the death of her friend as road block to avoid granting the petition.

https://www.1dca.org/content/download/845549/opinion/222476_DC05_08152022_170017_i.pdf

Wow. I’m a PP (who’s post defending the judge was deleted) and didn’t think of that timeline. Thought he was giving her the gift of time to mull it over. But you're right and I’m not even being sarcastic. Mark this in the history books another poster changed someone’s mind! Really messed up when you put it like that. Poor girl in a horrid position.

DP here. I'm glad you rethought it and took the time to write it.

Yes, he could have just stated that she had to wait 3 days before going through with it, or 5, or whatever. He didn't.

He forced her to go back through a slow system with a time sensitive matter, knowing how long it takes. He's a judge -- there is no way he isn't cognizant of exactly how long the process would take.

Effectively forcing her hand to stay pregnant. SO conclusion= POS.

Introductory and conclusion=you don’t care

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She has a guardian who supports the abortion. Why is the guardian’s permission not enough?

Read the article, stupid. It clearly says she wanted the baby at one point and is grieving the death of a friend. Judge wants her to pause to make sure of decision before moving forward.
God, you’re dumb.

Actually, if you read, it does NOT say she wanted the baby, but that she was open to it, which is not nearly as definitive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She has a guardian who supports the abortion. Why is the guardian’s permission not enough?

Read the article, stupid. It clearly says she wanted the baby at one point and is grieving the death of a friend. Judge wants her to pause to make sure of decision before moving forward.
God, you’re dumb.

Actually, if you read, it does NOT say she wanted the baby, but that she was open to it, which is not nearly as definitive.

You just proved my point.

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Anonymous wrote:She has a guardian who supports the abortion. Why is the guardian’s permission not enough?

Read the article, stupid. It clearly says she wanted the baby at one point and is grieving the death of a friend. Judge wants her to pause to make sure of decision before moving forward.
God, you’re dumb.

Actually, if you read, it does NOT say she wanted the baby, but that she was open to it, which is not nearly as definitive.

You just proved my point.

Not in the slightest. Words have meaning, and yours were inaccurate.

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Anonymous wrote:She has a guardian who supports the abortion. Why is the guardian’s permission not enough?

Read the article, stupid. It clearly says she wanted the baby at one point and is grieving the death of a friend. Judge wants her to pause to make sure of decision before moving forward.
God, you’re dumb.

Actually, if you read, it does NOT say she wanted the baby, but that she was open to it, which is not nearly as definitive.

She has to be open to it. She has no choice. Hopefully someone will be decent and help her get an abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:Mature enough to be a parent, but not mature enough to get an abortion....

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/16/parentless-teen-cant-have-an-abortion-under-state-parental-consent-law-00052211
Florida court says teen isn't mature enough to get an abortion
The teen, identified only as Jane Doe 22-B, has no parents.

— A Florida court of appeal this week upheld a decision stating a 16-year-old teen could not get an abortion because she lacked the maturity to make such a decision, even after the parentless teen said she was not ready to have a child and is still in school.

An opinion released Monday by the Florida 1st District Court of Appeal upheld an earlier decision by a state court judge. That judge was not convinced the teen had demonstrated the maturity to choose to get an abortion. The teen, identified only as Jane Doe 22-B, has no parents but is in the care of Florida’s child welfare agency and has a guardian. She is about 10 weeks pregnant and currently resides with a relative.

“The minor states that she is sufficiently mature to make the decision, saying she ‘is not ready to have a baby,’ she doesn’t have a job, she is ‘still in school,’” the Monday order states. “And the father is unable to assist her.”

Florida abortion law requires parents to consent before a minor can have an abortion. But underage teens can also circumvent the consent requirement by asking for a waiver from a state circuit court judge. According to the appeal court’s decision, the teen’s guardian supports the teen’s wish to get an abortion.

Is she being forced to raise the child? Giving birth doesn’t make you a parent.

She’s being forced to carry a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

You obviously were not forced to read the entire article.

She was prevented from getting an abortion on her time table. She’s carrying a pregnancy that she does not want.

She was given more obstacles to obtain medical care.

She was given more time, not obstacles, to not make a rash decision because when has been dithering with her decision. You know that.

No, the court did not give her more time. The trial court was willing to do that, but the appellate court refused to remand for further consideration. She was 10 weeks pregnant a week ago when the lower court issued its order, so she’s now 11 weeks. By court rules, it will be at least two more weeks before the appellate court order becomes final, at which point she will be 13 weeks pregnant. That will leave her less than two weeks to file a new petition, have it granted (if it would even be considered given that the court already ruled on her prior petition), and then schedule and obtain an abortion.

Realistically, that’s not going to happen. She will have to sneak out of state for the abortion or will be forced to continue the pregnancy.

One correction to the above, the trial court order was without prejudice, so the court probably would consider a new petition once the appellate order becomes final. But that still leaves her wi the a very limited time frame, and having to hope she draws a judge who will see the case differently. The dissent in the appellate case makes clear the extent to which the trial court acknowledged she had valid grounds for seeking the abortion and seemed mature enough to make the decision, and he was just using the death of her friend as road block to avoid granting the petition.

https://www.1dca.org/content/download/845549/opinion/222476_DC05_08152022_170017_i.pdf

Wow. I’m a PP (who’s post defending the judge was deleted) and didn’t think of that timeline. Thought he was giving her the gift of time to mull it over. But you're right and I’m not even being sarcastic. Mark this in the history books another poster changed someone’s mind! Really messed up when you put it like that. Poor girl in a horrid position.

There is no gift of time. He gave her another gift of trauma.

+1 yup. He didn’t outright say no, just punted a 16 yo orphan with a time sensitive matter back through a slow system. Why is it that right wingers abhor big govt making decisions about personal matters except when it comes to women’s bodies?

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How is “the father unable to help”, if he’s a minor the parents are responsible.

If we force births we need to force child support for the father and their family until the father can help.

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Anonymous wrote:If someone's not mature enough to get an abortion how could they possibly be mature enough to raise a baby? They are not just dooming the girl to a life of poverty and ignorance but also dooming the unborn to a life of poverty. Not that being poor should be a crime, but how many books will this unborn kid have in their home? How safe will their home be? How safe will their shitty daycare be? How healthy will their diet be?

You can do all these things on a low income and there are things like day care vouchers. Your post is a stretch but she should be granted the choice. Many rich people parent poorly.

I have been on welfare and food stamps and those are crappy daycares that don’t have cameras, are understaffed, and don’t feel safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is “the father unable to help”, if he’s a minor the parents are responsible.

If we force births we need to force child support for the father and their family until the father can help.

That's not how it works. We need freedom of choice, especially for teens.

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Anonymous wrote:If someone's not mature enough to get an abortion how could they possibly be mature enough to raise a baby? They are not just dooming the girl to a life of poverty and ignorance but also dooming the unborn to a life of poverty. Not that being poor should be a crime, but how many books will this unborn kid have in their home? How safe will their home be? How safe will their shitty daycare be? How healthy will their diet be?

You can do all these things on a low income and there are things like day care vouchers. Your post is a stretch but she should be granted the choice. Many rich people parent poorly.

I have been on welfare and food stamps and those are crappy daycares that don’t have cameras, are understaffed, and don’t feel safe.

Most day cares are crappy, paid or not and camera's only do so much. Being poor is not a reason to have an abortion. Being young with you entire future ahead of you is.