Roe v Wade and TTC

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in Virginia. While I would hope we don't get something like this I can't help but wonder what happens to me if we find out at 20 weeks of a gross abnormality?

I already know my insurance, military, will not cover abortions for medical reasons. So that's 20K.

That said, not having the option to terminate? Awful. I'm already down about TTC. I've had multiple pregnancy losses so I might be at risk for this situation. This just sucks.

Wait, even before this, military insurance doesn't cover TFMR? At any stage, or just if you find out late at 20 weeks? I didn't realize this. Is this common? (My insurance would absolutely cover.)

Yes, because of the Hyde Amendment. There’s a famous poster here from way back known as LIVID who was a fed and had to terminate due to anencephaly; federal insurance does not cover it. I can’t find her heartbreaking original thread but she’s here and on lots of other old threads about this.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/367012.page#4784341

Went through this 14 years ago, got a lecture from the military Fetal Medicine doc about how "no federal funds can be used" after he handed me a folder with info for abortion. We went to NJ because my ILs live in Philly so we didn't have to spend the night in a hotel. It was I think $2500 because we were so far along, 22w. There was two week delay in getting a referral in the military system for Fetal Medicine. Our diagnosis was OI Type 2.

I'm a little surprised it was that cheap. My D&C was a 3 hour OR procedure at INOVA. $2500 for anesthesia, etc? Did they partial pay for the bill?

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Anonymous wrote:You realize at 20 weeks you’re delivering a baby regardless right? Dead or alive? Abortion at 20 weeks makes no sense (and most of the world agrees). Just deliver the poor kid alive instead of killing them first.

Do you know anyone who's had a 30 week abortion? Because I do. In both cases they were wanted, planned babies and in both cases there was a serious issue that was likely to result in infection or severe bleeding (abruption like that woman in Malta, the other found the cord was compromised and her baby was deprived of oxygen and slowly dying).

20+ week abortions save lives. And there are stories of doct9rs having tomturn women wlaway or.deny care until they're in sepsis or have lost significant blood. Doctors are bow forced to play chicken with death.

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I’ve been TTC, but my last pregnancy was a miscarriage, and I think we’re going to stop TTC now. We have done most of our testing for a consult with SGF, but I can’t go into pregnancy knowing that my life and health will be optional in the event that things go downhill.

I had a D&C when I miscarried because my body wasn’t passing the tissue, and it was covered by my federal health insurance because it was miscarriage related. Federal health insurance won’t cover it if the fetus has a heartbeat - but will if the fetus doesn’t.

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When we found out our baby had Trisomy 21, we were approaching the limit for abortions in Virginia. The doctor said, “There are places we can send you in DC.” We ultimately kept the pregnancy, but it was a very hard decision to make. Our child is only a few months old, and we have already accrued hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills; thank God we have good insurance! While I don’t regret our choice, I’m glad it was OUR choice. No one should be forced into this. If you think you might want to terminate in a situation like ours, my advice is to get the screening tests as soon as possible. Ask if they aren’t offered to you. The NIPT can be taken as early as 10 weeks. We weren’t offered it until I was 13 or 14 weeks along, then we took a few weeks to think about whether we wanted to take it, and then it took several weeks to get the results. After the results came back positive, it took a few days to get in for an ultrasound and amniocentesis, and then over a week to get the results and schedule a meeting with a genetic counselor. Then of course we needed time to consider our decision. All of this is to say that there would be very little time to get an abortion if a 15-week ban goes into effect, so be proactive about testing and discuss with your partner what you would do in a worst-case scenario.

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Same poster as above. Insurance covered all of our medical costs associated with testing for fetal abnormalities, if that’s a concern.

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Anonymous wrote:You realize at 20 weeks you’re delivering a baby regardless right? Dead or alive? Abortion at 20 weeks makes no sense (and most of the world agrees). Just deliver the poor kid alive instead of killing them first.

Do you know anyone who's had a 30 week abortion? Because I do. In both cases they were wanted, planned babies and in both cases there was a serious issue that was likely to result in infection or severe bleeding (abruption like that woman in Malta, the other found the cord was compromised and her baby was deprived of oxygen and slowly dying).

20+ week abortions save lives. And there are stories of doct9rs having tomturn women wlaway or.deny care until they're in sepsis or have lost significant blood. Doctors are bow forced to play chicken with death.

Absolutely. For those that need the education on how delays mean death for the mother, please Google Savita Halappanavar. That's the case that encouraged a change in Ireland's laws. Expect similar cases to happen here.

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Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.

Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how insurance will deal with this since it’s now banned in several states. For example, can insurance companies cover the cost of abortion if it’s employer based in a state with an existing ban even if you travel to a state where it’s legal?

Yes, insurance will cover it. The problem is going to be with insurance networks that only have providers in one state. Around here, most of the insurance providers will have in-network doctors in MD and DC but if you live in Alabama, your insurance might only have in-network doctors in Alabama. Most insurance has a complicated process if you can’t get appropriate care in network but it’s not ideal if you are trying to make decisions on a timeline and will probably at least require people to pay up front and then try to get reimbursement.

States will start passing laws that prohibit insurance from paying for their residents to get abortions out of state. I promise this is already happening. VA - this will probably happen to you since you elected Youngkin.

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Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.

Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.

I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.

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Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.

Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.

I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.

I don't see how it's an abortion either. It can't grow into a full term baby.

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Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.

Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.

I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.

Then explain to me why some Catholic hospitals refuse to allow methotrexate as a non-surgical solution for ectopic, and instead wait for there to be threat of tubal rupture, then go the surgical route?
Google it. Plenty of info about this out there. When I had an ectopic, it was diagnosed by my RE, who specifically told me to avoid care at the area Catholic hospital for this very reason.

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Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.

Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.

I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.

Then explain to me why some Catholic hospitals refuse to allow methotrexate as a non-surgical solution for ectopic, and instead wait for there to be threat of tubal rupture, then go the surgical route?
Google it. Plenty of info about this out there. When I had an ectopic, it was diagnosed by my RE, who specifically told me to avoid care at the area Catholic hospital for this very reason.

Don’t just google. Research. Summary: Methotrexate is used by Catholic hospitals. Approved by theologians.

https://www.chausa.org/publications/health-care-ethics-usa/article/winter-2011/catholic-hospitals-and-ectopic-pregnancies

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Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.

Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.

I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.

Then explain to me why some Catholic hospitals refuse to allow methotrexate as a non-surgical solution for ectopic, and instead wait for there to be threat of tubal rupture, then go the surgical route?
Google it. Plenty of info about this out there. When I had an ectopic, it was diagnosed by my RE, who specifically told me to avoid care at the area Catholic hospital for this very reason.

Don’t just google. Research. Summary: Methotrexate is used by Catholic hospitals. Approved by theologians.

https://www.chausa.org/publications/health-care-ethics-usa/article/winter-2011/catholic-hospitals-and-ectopic-pregnancies

I should add, if a sole provider (prolife doctors are not just in catholic hospitals) decided to not use methotrexate, it would still be an act contrary to directives from the bishops. Other providers in the hospital would administer the drug).

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Anonymous wrote:You go to Maryland. And count yourself lucky you only have to travel that far.

I guess this, and hope you aren't held responsible for transporting a minor (fetus) across state lines for an illegal purpose (murder).

Maybe you should move while you build your family. Or adopt.

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Anonymous wrote:You realize at 20 weeks you’re delivering a baby regardless right? Dead or alive? Abortion at 20 weeks makes no sense (and most of the world agrees). Just deliver the poor kid alive instead of killing them first.

Ok I know this is a troll, but seriously. Sure, "just" carry a baby with severe abnormalities to term (if the baby doesn't die on its own and cause you to miscarry) at great risk of all the complications that come with pregnancy generally and an abnormal fetus specifically, while fielding happy questions about when you're due, and then go through the absolutely soul-destroying process of delivering it just to have it die immediately. No big deal, right PP?

Honestly, a country that would make a woman do this (THIS ONE) is completely barbaric