Best traction at the Ivies?

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

Yep, and my sense is that if you put up the college matriculations for all graduating seniors at the so-called "Big 3" schools against those of the 500+ valedictorians from Mississippi, the valedictorian group as a whole would be "worse" judging solely on US News rankings (i.e., not actually worse but I wanted to use some set standard however flawed). I have no way of knowing for sure though.

This is such a stupid comment. Most valedictorians from Mississippi would not even apply to Ivy League universities let alone choose to go to one over an SEC school, an honors college at a state flagship or the full ride offer to Ole Miss, or some other college within a days drive from home.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

Yep, and my sense is that if you put up the college matriculations for all graduating seniors at the so-called "Big 3" schools against those of the 500+ valedictorians from Mississippi, the valedictorian group as a whole would be "worse" judging solely on US News rankings (i.e., not actually worse but I wanted to use some set standard however flawed). I have no way of knowing for sure though.

This is such a stupid comment. Most valedictorians from Mississippi would not even apply to Ivy League universities let alone choose to go to one over an SEC school, an honors college at a state flagship or the full ride offer to Ole Miss, or some other college within a days drive from home.

+1. PP would have to be an idiot to assume that Vals from public schools in Mississippi that are 1000 miles from the nearest Ivy aspire to attend the same colleges (and have the means to pay for it) as kids attending a $50k a year private school in DC?

[Anonymous]

Lots of teens prefer their best regional school or state flagship, recruiting regionally too.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

Yep, and my sense is that if you put up the college matriculations for all graduating seniors at the so-called "Big 3" schools against those of the 500+ valedictorians from Mississippi, the valedictorian group as a whole would be "worse" judging solely on US News rankings (i.e., not actually worse but I wanted to use some set standard however flawed). I have no way of knowing for sure though.

This is such a stupid comment. Most valedictorians from Mississippi would not even apply to Ivy League universities let alone choose to go to one over an SEC school, an honors college at a state flagship or the full ride offer to Ole Miss, or some other college within a days drive from home.

+1. PP would have to be an idiot to assume that Vals from public schools in Mississippi that are 1000 miles from the nearest Ivy aspire to attend the same colleges (and have the means to pay for it) as kids attending a $50k a year private school in DC?

Affordability comes to mind as well.

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Here's the thing: The Big 3 is full of Ivy educated parents with lots of money who are obsessed with prestige. So it's impossible to attribute having 10 or 15 percent of Big 3 graduates getting into Ivies to having attended these schools. It's because of who their parents are. Nothing tells me that most of these same kids wouldn't have gotten into Ivies had they gone to their local public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

Yep, and my sense is that if you put up the college matriculations for all graduating seniors at the so-called "Big 3" schools against those of the 500+ valedictorians from Mississippi, the valedictorian group as a whole would be "worse" judging solely on US News rankings (i.e., not actually worse but I wanted to use some set standard however flawed). I have no way of knowing for sure though.

This is such a stupid comment. Most valedictorians from Mississippi would not even apply to Ivy League universities let alone choose to go to one over an SEC school, an honors college at a state flagship or the full ride offer to Ole Miss, or some other college within a days drive from home.

+1. PP would have to be an idiot to assume that Vals from public schools in Mississippi that are 1000 miles from the nearest Ivy aspire to attend the same colleges (and have the means to pay for it) as kids attending a $50k a year private school in DC?

Affordability comes to mind as well.

If you make <$75,000 (which would be top 25% HHI in Mississippi), Harvard and Stanford would be completely free. If you make <$150,000 (which would be top 5% in Mississippi), Stanford would be tuition-free.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing: The Big 3 is full of Ivy educated parents with lots of money who are obsessed with prestige. So it's impossible to attribute having 10 or 15 percent of Big 3 graduates getting into Ivies to having attended these schools. It's because of who their parents are. Nothing tells me that most of these same kids wouldn't have gotten into Ivies had they gone to their local public schools.

I don’t think it’s that they’re “obsessed with prestige” as much as, for many of them, it’s simply their world. Some people are obsessed, but that’s in many places, not only in top independent schools. Whatever works for you and your family, right?

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Holton has 11 girls (out of 92) going to Ivies this year. Six more are going to Stanford, Duke, UChicago and Northwestern.

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Anonymous wrote:Holton has 11 girls (out of 92) going to Ivies this year. Six more are going to Stanford, Duke, UChicago and Northwestern.

I think this is a good baseline. The privates all seem to have good college results, which is heartening. There is a lot of private bashing on here but they all seem to do pretty well at the end of the day. True, long gone are the days when half of the class went to Ivies but the results are still above what the average acceptance rate is for various colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Holton has 11 girls (out of 92) going to Ivies this year. Six more are going to Stanford, Duke, UChicago and Northwestern.

I think this is a good baseline. The privates all seem to have good college results, which is heartening. There is a lot of private bashing on here but they all seem to do pretty well at the end of the day. True, long gone are the days when half of the class went to Ivies but the results are still above what the average acceptance rate is for various colleges.

Meh. All it tells me is that 4 out of 5 Holton families are wasting their money.

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It tells us you don't understand privates.

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Anonymous wrote:Holton has 11 girls (out of 92) going to Ivies this year. Six more are going to Stanford, Duke, UChicago and Northwestern.

I think this is a good baseline. The privates all seem to have good college results, which is heartening. There is a lot of private bashing on here but they all seem to do pretty well at the end of the day. True, long gone are the days when half of the class went to Ivies but the results are still above what the average acceptance rate is for various colleges.

But there's no particular reason to attribute it to the schools, rather than the kids or their families. DC went ED to a <5% admit rate college from GDS. GDS was a great fit for DC and they had an excellent high school experience socially and academically. I am happy to have paid the tuition because I appreciated what DC got from the school. But, every one of DC's friends at school had parents who went to grad school and most had parents who went to an Ivy for college or grad school or both. They were incredibly internally motivated and intellectually engaged. I am sure these kids would have done great in college admission no matter where they went to high school even if they didn't apply to their legacy colleges. Like my DC, most of the adults they knew growing up went to elite schools because they were their parents' friends from college or work. They did not just have books at home, they had serious academic books on the shelves. You can't just credit the schools when these kids have social advantages unthinkable to 99% of high schoolers.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, that sounds about right. Close to 10 percent of the class at each, give or take.

It’s typically closer to 20% to Ivy + MIT, Stanford and Chicago.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

Yep, and my sense is that if you put up the college matriculations for all graduating seniors at the so-called "Big 3" schools against those of the 500+ valedictorians from Mississippi, the valedictorian group as a whole would be "worse" judging solely on US News rankings (i.e., not actually worse but I wanted to use some set standard however flawed). I have no way of knowing for sure though.

This is such a stupid comment. Most valedictorians from Mississippi would not even apply to Ivy League universities let alone choose to go to one over an SEC school, an honors college at a state flagship or the full ride offer to Ole Miss, or some other college within a days drive from home.

+1. PP would have to be an idiot to assume that Vals from public schools in Mississippi that are 1000 miles from the nearest Ivy aspire to attend the same colleges (and have the means to pay for it) as kids attending a $50k a year private school in DC?

So what you’re saying is, you should move to Mississippi, your kid should be a val, and then after all the other Vals in the state go off to Ole Miss for financial or sentimental reasons, your kid will be one of just a handful of Vals applying to the ivies.

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But your child would not be Val. Without doubt.