Best traction at the Ivies?

[Anonymous]

Why don't people believe the schools when they say college admissions isn't why you should choose their school? All of the local independent schools emphasize what they can teach your child and the particular fit they offer. None of them say to send your child there to get into an Ivy or HYPS because none of them can deliver that. While I don't recommend it, it is a lot more sensible to ask what they can do to help your kid get into RSI or TASP or NSLI-Y or be competitive in the Regeneron talent search because those are high school programs and success can be directly supported by the school. Plus those programs are far more likely to boost the odds at an elite college than an expensive independent school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't people believe the schools when they say college admissions isn't why you should choose their school? All of the local independent schools emphasize what they can teach your child and the particular fit they offer. None of them say to send your child there to get into an Ivy or HYPS because none of them can deliver that. While I don't recommend it, it is a lot more sensible to ask what they can do to help your kid get into RSI or TASP or NSLI-Y or be competitive in the Regeneron talent search because those are high school programs and success can be directly supported by the school. Plus those programs are far more likely to boost the odds at an elite college than an expensive independent school.

If you reread OP, they mention nothing about choosing an independent school - only ask for info. For all we know, poster could be eliminating a school for a high number of Ivy acceptances. (I raise this so the thread doesn’t devolve into a series on how college outcomes should not influence which private school to attend. Many posts on that already).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, that sounds about right. Close to 10 percent of the class at each, give or take.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

I count 11 on the NCS page. STA doesn’t have a page but I have heard they are sending 5 to Yale alone. So math tracks to get to 50. And, no I have no idea who are sports recruits, legacy, etc. not making judgments about any schools or saying any of it matters. Only sharing data.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

I count 11 on the NCS page. STA doesn’t have a page but I have heard they are sending 5 to Yale alone. So math tracks to get to 50. And, no I have no idea who are sports recruits, legacy, etc. not making judgments about any schools or saying any of it matters. Only sharing data.

How many aren't legacies or athletes? I'll bet far fewer than 50.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

I count 11 on the NCS page. STA doesn’t have a page but I have heard they are sending 5 to Yale alone. So math tracks to get to 50. And, no I have no idea who are sports recruits, legacy, etc. not making judgments about any schools or saying any of it matters. Only sharing data.

How many aren't legacies or athletes? I'll bet far fewer than 50.

Again, as previously stated, I have no idea how many are legacy. No one will truly know that in this board (though many will speculate).

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

I count 11 on the NCS page. STA doesn’t have a page but I have heard they are sending 5 to Yale alone. So math tracks to get to 50. And, no I have no idea who are sports recruits, legacy, etc. not making judgments about any schools or saying any of it matters. Only sharing data.

The STA Yale kids are not legacy or recruits. Just really impressive kids.

[Anonymous]

The number of seniors who didn't get into an Ivy or top school was very small at Whittle.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

Do the schools publish these numbers? All the lists I've seen span 5 years or so and don't give the numbers that went to each school.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

I count 11 on the NCS page. STA doesn’t have a page but I have heard they are sending 5 to Yale alone. So math tracks to get to 50. And, no I have no idea who are sports recruits, legacy, etc. not making judgments about any schools or saying any of it matters. Only sharing data.

How many aren't legacies or athletes? I'll bet far fewer than 50.

Yes, it's typically a mix of athletes, URMs, children of the famous or very wealthy, and the top few kids in the class academically. It is definitely NOT the top 10% of the class, even if the total adds up to around 10%. I think that's the thing that is disillusioning to many parents at these schools.

[Anonymous]

Here's the list of most-attended schools for STA over the last five years, with a count. Five Ivies here account for about 15% of the grads (approximately 400) over five years.

University of Chicago (36)
Yale University (18)
Dartmouth College (16)
Tulane University (16)
Columbia University (12)
Georgetown University (12)
Harvard University (10)
Bates College (8)
Davidson College (8)
Wake Forest University (8)
Washington and Lee University (8)
Boston College (7)
Bowdoin College (7)
University of California at Berkeley (7)
Northwestern University (7)
Princeton University (7)
University of Virginia (7)
Washington University in St. Louis (7)
Occidental College (6)
United States Military Academy (6)

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

I count 11 on the NCS page. STA doesn’t have a page but I have heard they are sending 5 to Yale alone. So math tracks to get to 50. And, no I have no idea who are sports recruits, legacy, etc. not making judgments about any schools or saying any of it matters. Only sharing data.

How many aren't legacies or athletes? I'll bet far fewer than 50.

Yes, it's typically a mix of athletes, URMs, children of the famous or very wealthy, and the top few kids in the class academically. It is definitely NOT the top 10% of the class, even if the total adds up to around 10%. I think that's the thing that is disillusioning to many parents at these schools.

I actually think the top 10% of the class does very well - remember that is only 8 or so kids since the class is so small. Many choose to go elsewhere (valedictorian chose a SLAC this year). I think the disillusionment is actually forgetting how small the class is and not realizing where each boy fits in bc they don’t rank. Basically, everyone with a 1500 SAT and decent grades think they have a shot but forget that is pretty much the top 50%.

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Anonymous wrote:In any given year, my guess is that Big 3 schools are sending at least 50 graduates to Ivy League schools.

I don't believe it is anywhere near that high.

I think talking about all schools together. Yes, probably close to 50 kids to Ivies in total - meaning add up all the kids that Sidwell, GDS, NCS and STA are sending and I bet it is close to 50 (figure 10 from NCS and STA respectively, and then 15 each from Sidwell and GDS). I see 15 on the GDS insta and assume that isn’t everyone.

Yep, and my sense is that if you put up the college matriculations for all graduating seniors at the so-called "Big 3" schools against those of the 500+ valedictorians from Mississippi, the valedictorian group as a whole would be "worse" judging solely on US News rankings (i.e., not actually worse but I wanted to use some set standard however flawed). I have no way of knowing for sure though.