If you vote Republican, and your children are killed in a school shooting...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:why would you continue to vote for politicians that won't pass gun laws and won't support bills that provide for mental health services?
I truly want to know 1) Can you put yourself in the shoes of parents whose children have been murdered in school by legally purchased assault rifles? and 2) If even the horrifying nightmare of your own babies dying would lead to connect the dots

I am not a troll. I want to know what your reasoning behind putting gun supporters in office are.

Why don’t we just pass laws that make murder illegal regardless of the method?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The posters on this thread are clueless and most of you have no real understanding of what Republicans believe or why they vote the way they do.
In fact, this entire site this past week has been full of angry insults and hateful rhetoric aimed at Republicans.

My first thought when I read some of the hate spewing on here is to wonder if the poster has children. And, if she/he does, I wonder if that poster speaks about other people in front of her children the way she writes about them on sites like this.
If so, you are part of the problem. Your children are watching and listening. They hear your hate and your insults toward others. They are learning from you that there are people who are not to be valued - simply because they disagree with you.
You are not teaching them kindness. You are not teaching them how to have a useful discussion with others. You are simply spewing hate. This is what they are learning from you.

Passing more laws may make you feel good, but it will NOT solve the problem. Hell, many of our current laws are not even enforced. I read over and over how gun crimes by felons are dismissed through a plea deal or because of "restorative justice."
We could ban guns tomorrow, and we will still likely have another school shooting unless we do something that actually makes a difference.

If you have been paying attention, you know that many, many things went wrong with this crime. From ignoring the red flags on the part of the shooter to the open door at the school, to the lack of a security guard present. And, that is just the start.

I don't know all the answers, but I do know that simply passing a law in the heat of a moment will not cause change. There are always going to be evil people who have no value for life. We need to get better at identifying these people, learn what causes them to be the way they are, and deal with them BEFORE they act on their evil. We also need to make schools more secure and learn from everything that went wrong here.

Again, the US is the ONLY country that has been unable to solve the problem of gun violence. The ONLY one. Every other god damned country has been able to save the lives of their children from gun violence. The US could if it weren't for people like you who insist - despite all the evidence, studies, statistics to the contrary - that Americans love their guns more than the lives of their children.

I am going to scream if another one of you conservative people insist on dealing with mental health issues. Republican politicians do NOT support mental health legislation. So you can talk all you want about root causes and providing people counseling, but if you vote Republican, you are in fact doing NOTHING to provide these mental health benefits. If you really want mental health benefits, then vote DEMOCRATIC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to hammer home this message. It doesn't have to be this way. A vote for a Republican is a vote for school shootings. Republican politicians are the only force standing in the way of meaningful reform.

I am the OP. I am a Democrat. I want to force Republicans to imagine their toddlers shot in the face by an AR-15. And then I want Republican voters to say publicly that they'll still vote for the gun lobby.

They don't care. it's not the gun, it's the person holding the gun that's the problem.

Exactly. And they're not going to imagine their own children getting hurt by guns, because they're the good guys with guns. They'll protect their family, their friends, and if there's time they'll even protect dems who want to get rid of guns, and then we'll be converted to their side and start voting for republicans and buying our own guns. At least that's their wet dream.

[Anonymous]

Reality check: more people die annually from falling out of bed than from school shootings. If we really want to save lives, we can save more lives with less effort than by trying to reduce school shootings. Yes, school shootings are emotional events (and many people are bad at math), but that doesn't mean that passing reactionary legislation is the best way to save lives in the US.

- Not a Republican

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reality check: more people die annually from falling out of bed than from school shootings. If we really want to save lives, we can save more lives with less effort than by trying to reduce school shootings. Yes, school shootings are emotional events (and many people are bad at math), but that doesn't mean that passing reactionary legislation is the best way to save lives in the US.

- Not a Republican

Are these people being pushed out of bed? No. People have the option of installing a railing to keep them in bed if this is an important issue to them.

It’s not just school shootings. Guns need to be regulated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You must have missed all the mass murders by cartels in Mexico, which has some of the most strict gun laws out there. Criminals will always get the guns they want, OP. Gun control is not the answer.

You are an idiot. I don't know what to say. Please go back to school, and I pray that you develop some critical thinking skills.

So here's the thing. I actually live in Mexico right now so I understand this dynamic probably better than anyone here. In fact I'll double down: gun control is definitely not the answer.

The problem is Mexico’s neighbor has zero gun regulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:why would you continue to vote for politicians that won't pass gun laws and won't support bills that provide for mental health services?
I truly want to know 1) Can you put yourself in the shoes of parents whose children have been murdered in school by legally purchased assault rifles? and 2) If even the horrifying nightmare of your own babies dying would lead to connect the dots

I am not a troll. I want to know what your reasoning behind putting gun supporters in office are.

Trump is the only thing that would get me to vote democratic for President. Voted against him twice. Yes can put myself in those shoes -- very vividly. Doing issues like red flag laws, gun shows, background checks would have my support. Strongly support a massive investment in mental health services and in school security. I also strongly believe in the right to defend yourself and own guns. I would like work on a wide number of measures but would not vote democratic in most elections because of this issue alone. The issue is important and should be front burner and dealt with but very unlikely to vote for a democrat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reality check: more people die annually from falling out of bed than from school shootings. If we really want to save lives, we can save more lives with less effort than by trying to reduce school shootings. Yes, school shootings are emotional events (and many people are bad at math), but that doesn't mean that passing reactionary legislation is the best way to save lives in the US.

- Not a Republican

More people die from cancer, so who cares about this.
Honestly not being a republican doesn’t mean your opinion matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality check: more people die annually from falling out of bed than from school shootings. If we really want to save lives, we can save more lives with less effort than by trying to reduce school shootings. Yes, school shootings are emotional events (and many people are bad at math), but that doesn't mean that passing reactionary legislation is the best way to save lives in the US.

- Not a Republican

Are these people being pushed out of bed? No. People have the option of installing a railing to keep them in bed if this is an important issue to them.

It’s not just school shootings. Guns need to be regulated.

Please be real. The chances of being in a school shooting are lower than dying from a car or bus crash to or from school. That does not mean ignore it. But please keep in perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The posters on this thread are clueless and most of you have no real understanding of what Republicans believe or why they vote the way they do.
In fact, this entire site this past week has been full of angry insults and hateful rhetoric aimed at Republicans.

My first thought when I read some of the hate spewing on here is to wonder if the poster has children. And, if she/he does, I wonder if that poster speaks about other people in front of her children the way she writes about them on sites like this.
If so, you are part of the problem. Your children are watching and listening. They hear your hate and your insults toward others. They are learning from you that there are people who are not to be valued - simply because they disagree with you.
You are not teaching them kindness. You are not teaching them how to have a useful discussion with others. You are simply spewing hate. This is what they are learning from you.

Passing more laws may make you feel good, but it will NOT solve the problem. Hell, many of our current laws are not even enforced. I read over and over how gun crimes by felons are dismissed through a plea deal or because of "restorative justice."
We could ban guns tomorrow, and we will still likely have another school shooting unless we do something that actually makes a difference.

If you have been paying attention, you know that many, many things went wrong with this crime. From ignoring the red flags on the part of the shooter to the open door at the school, to the lack of a security guard present. And, that is just the start.

I don't know all the answers, but I do know that simply passing a law in the heat of a moment will not cause change. There are always going to be evil people who have no value for life. We need to get better at identifying these people, learn what causes them to be the way they are, and deal with them BEFORE they act on their evil. We also need to make schools more secure and learn from everything that went wrong here.

OP here. I've taught my children that if you care for other people, then you protect them. I've sent my children to the best schools in the area so that they learn how to think critically. My husband and I have worked hard to educate ourselves and learn at the best universities in the world. We believe in science. We believe in data. We believe in the reports than come from experts who have spent decades of their lives dedicated to protecting children. Here's the conclusion: Republicans have done jack to protect the lives of children in the US from gunfire. Republicans have stonewalled virtually every meaningful attempt put forth by Democrats to impose gun safety laws. Republicans like to talk about mental health, but Republicans never want to fund healthcare programs that would provide mental health. Republicans ignore the fact that every industrialized nation has citizens who are willing to sacrifice their guns to protect children. Republicans are more invested in protecting their guns, despite all the mountains of evidence to the contrary, that by doing so, they are contributing to an environment of gun violence. Republicans are willing to sacrifice kids for gun rights.

So yes, we discuss politics a lot at our dinner table. We talk about the value of saving lives, and how as a citizen you support the candidates who are going to protect children so that they can go to school safely.

If you have a shred of evidence that Republicans have protected our kids from gunfire, please share it. Because thoughts and prayers haven't worked for the last thirty years. FYI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality check: more people die annually from falling out of bed than from school shootings. If we really want to save lives, we can save more lives with less effort than by trying to reduce school shootings. Yes, school shootings are emotional events (and many people are bad at math), but that doesn't mean that passing reactionary legislation is the best way to save lives in the US.

- Not a Republican

Are these people being pushed out of bed? No. People have the option of installing a railing to keep them in bed if this is an important issue to them.

It’s not just school shootings. Guns need to be regulated.

Please be real. The chances of being in a school shooting are lower than dying from a car or bus crash to or from school. That does not mean ignore it. But please keep in perspective.

Let’s be real. The odds were better when elementary kids weren’t getting shot in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality check: more people die annually from falling out of bed than from school shootings. If we really want to save lives, we can save more lives with less effort than by trying to reduce school shootings. Yes, school shootings are emotional events (and many people are bad at math), but that doesn't mean that passing reactionary legislation is the best way to save lives in the US.

- Not a Republican

Are these people being pushed out of bed? No. People have the option of installing a railing to keep them in bed if this is an important issue to them.

It’s not just school shootings. Guns need to be regulated.

Please be real. The chances of being in a school shooting are lower than dying from a car or bus crash to or from school. That does not mean ignore it. But please keep in perspective.

Guns kill more kids than cars. Yet we regulate cars and require licenses and insurance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why would you continue to vote for politicians that won't pass gun laws and won't support bills that provide for mental health services?
I truly want to know 1) Can you put yourself in the shoes of parents whose children have been murdered in school by legally purchased assault rifles? and 2) If even the horrifying nightmare of your own babies dying would lead to connect the dots

I am not a troll. I want to know what your reasoning behind putting gun supporters in office are.

Trump is the only thing that would get me to vote democratic for President. Voted against him twice. Yes can put myself in those shoes -- very vividly. Doing issues like red flag laws, gun shows, background checks would have my support. Strongly support a massive investment in mental health services and in school security. I also strongly believe in the right to defend yourself and own guns. I would like work on a wide number of measures but would not vote democratic in most elections because of this issue alone. The issue is important and should be front burner and dealt with but very unlikely to vote for a democrat.

Right, yet again, unwilling to sacrifice your gun fetish even though regulating against it would save the lives of babies. I see where your priorities lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why would you continue to vote for politicians that won't pass gun laws and won't support bills that provide for mental health services?
I truly want to know 1) Can you put yourself in the shoes of parents whose children have been murdered in school by legally purchased assault rifles? and 2) If even the horrifying nightmare of your own babies dying would lead to connect the dots

I am not a troll. I want to know what your reasoning behind putting gun supporters in office are.

Trump is the only thing that would get me to vote democratic for President. Voted against him twice. Yes can put myself in those shoes -- very vividly. Doing issues like red flag laws, gun shows, background checks would have my support. Strongly support a massive investment in mental health services and in school security. I also strongly believe in the right to defend yourself and own guns. I would like work on a wide number of measures but would not vote democratic in most elections because of this issue alone. The issue is important and should be front burner and dealt with but very unlikely to vote for a democrat.

No one is taking your guns. They want guns to be regulated, a view that you apparently share.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The posters on this thread are clueless and most of you have no real understanding of what Republicans believe or why they vote the way they do.
In fact, this entire site this past week has been full of angry insults and hateful rhetoric aimed at Republicans.

My first thought when I read some of the hate spewing on here is to wonder if the poster has children. And, if she/he does, I wonder if that poster speaks about other people in front of her children the way she writes about them on sites like this.
If so, you are part of the problem. Your children are watching and listening. They hear your hate and your insults toward others. They are learning from you that there are people who are not to be valued - simply because they disagree with you.
You are not teaching them kindness. You are not teaching them how to have a useful discussion with others. You are simply spewing hate. This is what they are learning from you.

Passing more laws may make you feel good, but it will NOT solve the problem. Hell, many of our current laws are not even enforced. I read over and over how gun crimes by felons are dismissed through a plea deal or because of "restorative justice."
We could ban guns tomorrow, and we will still likely have another school shooting unless we do something that actually makes a difference.

If you have been paying attention, you know that many, many things went wrong with this crime. From ignoring the red flags on the part of the shooter to the open door at the school, to the lack of a security guard present. And, that is just the start.

I don't know all the answers, but I do know that simply passing a law in the heat of a moment will not cause change. There are always going to be evil people who have no value for life. We need to get better at identifying these people, learn what causes them to be the way they are, and deal with them BEFORE they act on their evil. We also need to make schools more secure and learn from everything that went wrong here.

You’re an enabler of mass shootings. Shame on you.