Small details that make a person seem more youthful

Anonymous
Happiness

Also
Hydration
Anonymous
Guys it isn’t about attitude. It’s about skincare. Botox helps, but also just having a good routine that’s more elaborate then you had when you were younger.
Anonymous
Over-processed hair is aging. Having a color in natural hues makes a person seem more youthful.
Anonymous
Thick hair, not gray or white. If your hair is thin you could try a weave or wig.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I regularly get mistaken for someone 10 years younger than I am (I am 42, often get mistaken for early 30s). Here's what I think does it:

- Athletic. I used to be a personal trainer and still work out daily. I also walk almost everywhere I go and have lots of active hobbies (biking, hiking, rock climbing). This should be obvious, but the more active you are, the younger you will appear. It's not just that it makes your body look better (though it does), it also give you more energy, keeps you more flexible, helps maintain balance, etc. These feel like intangibles but spend some time watching how people move through the world. Exercising and feeling fit will make you appear younger without having to do anything to your clothes or hair.

- Minimal makeup. Granted, I think I have some good skin genes and my skin still looks pretty good despite not always being religious about skincare (I am now, but wasn't always when I was younger). But even if I had more wrinkles, I think a good quality CC cream plus some mascara and maaaaaybe a sheer cheek tint is plenty for most women. I went through a lipstick phase but stopped it specifically because I think it makes me look older (emphasizes thinning lips and tiny lines around my mouth that you didn't notice if I just wear a lip balm). I also think eye makeup is especially aging on older skin because it settles into all the fine lines. If you have the time to really make it look right, it works, but for every day? You will look more youthful with just a swipe of mascara and a relatively clean face. I have started to do my brows daily though, but that has to do with having light hair and needing some definition. I don't think it's necessary if your brows are already darker -- just tidy them up a bit.

- Keep clothes simple. Nothing too trendy, but I also keep things fairly streamlined. Agree that updated denim is key. So many women my age are afraid of higher rises and non-skinny jeans. I get it, but once you take the plunge, you can see it looks better. My favorite jeans right now are a highish rise with a straight leg in a mid-blue. Classic and easy. With a tee or tank tucked in, a hip-length blazer, and a pair of flats, it's such an easy look that doesn't make me look like I'm trying to be a teenager, but is in style in a way that won't date me. And it's easy and the pants are comfy! There's really no downside.

- Don't overdo technical fabrics and athleisure. I have and wear leggings. I own a fleece jacket. But I do not do head-to-toe athleisure very often. I think actual young people can pull this off and still look young. But once you're in your 40s, you just look like somebody's mom (full disclosure: I am somebody's mom). But a 40+ woman wearing black leggings/joggers, sports bra with athletic top, and a fleece jacket, plus sneakers, every day? It's not that it makes you look super old, it just pegs you to a certain stage of life -- school drop off, soccer practice, Saturdays at the playground, etc. Yes, it's plenty of women in their 30s doing this too. But the point is that it wears different once you're over 40. Putting in a smidge more effort will help a lot.


You do know that saying "smidge" gives away your age, right?


Haha just what I was thinking. I’m surprised PP didn’t pick up on that with her try hard post.


LOL, a long answer is "try hard" now? Typical DCUM.

--not PP
Anonymous
I think it’s mostly hair and skincare (especially lack of sun damage).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I regularly get mistaken for someone 10 years younger than I am (I am 42, often get mistaken for early 30s). Here's what I think does it:

- Athletic. I used to be a personal trainer and still work out daily. I also walk almost everywhere I go and have lots of active hobbies (biking, hiking, rock climbing). This should be obvious, but the more active you are, the younger you will appear. It's not just that it makes your body look better (though it does), it also give you more energy, keeps you more flexible, helps maintain balance, etc. These feel like intangibles but spend some time watching how people move through the world. Exercising and feeling fit will make you appear younger without having to do anything to your clothes or hair.

- Minimal makeup. Granted, I think I have some good skin genes and my skin still looks pretty good despite not always being religious about skincare (I am now, but wasn't always when I was younger). But even if I had more wrinkles, I think a good quality CC cream plus some mascara and maaaaaybe a sheer cheek tint is plenty for most women. I went through a lipstick phase but stopped it specifically because I think it makes me look older (emphasizes thinning lips and tiny lines around my mouth that you didn't notice if I just wear a lip balm). I also think eye makeup is especially aging on older skin because it settles into all the fine lines. If you have the time to really make it look right, it works, but for every day? You will look more youthful with just a swipe of mascara and a relatively clean face. I have started to do my brows daily though, but that has to do with having light hair and needing some definition. I don't think it's necessary if your brows are already darker -- just tidy them up a bit.

- Keep clothes simple. Nothing too trendy, but I also keep things fairly streamlined. Agree that updated denim is key. So many women my age are afraid of higher rises and non-skinny jeans. I get it, but once you take the plunge, you can see it looks better. My favorite jeans right now are a highish rise with a straight leg in a mid-blue. Classic and easy. With a tee or tank tucked in, a hip-length blazer, and a pair of flats, it's such an easy look that doesn't make me look like I'm trying to be a teenager, but is in style in a way that won't date me. And it's easy and the pants are comfy! There's really no downside.

- Don't overdo technical fabrics and athleisure. I have and wear leggings. I own a fleece jacket. But I do not do head-to-toe athleisure very often. I think actual young people can pull this off and still look young. But once you're in your 40s, you just look like somebody's mom (full disclosure: I am somebody's mom). But a 40+ woman wearing black leggings/joggers, sports bra with athletic top, and a fleece jacket, plus sneakers, every day? It's not that it makes you look super old, it just pegs you to a certain stage of life -- school drop off, soccer practice, Saturdays at the playground, etc. Yes, it's plenty of women in their 30s doing this too. But the point is that it wears different once you're over 40. Putting in a smidge more effort will help a lot.

Genuine question: what are the circumstances under which people are guessing your age? It truly does not come up in conversation and I’m quite confident that it’s not because I look uncommonly old or young for my age.


NP but this comes up all the time and the skepticism is sort of... Well, to be fair, I guess it's both warranted and weird.

I'm sure lots of people think they look younger and absolutely do not, even if once in a while someone is surprised at their age.

But it's sort of weird to think you're going to "gotcha" an anonymous person online with this. And there are all kinds of ways age comes up in one way or another, or it's obvious in some way that people think you are approximately whatever age (like PP who has people CLEARLY assuming she and her son are on a date).

I look at least somewhat younger than I am, and have since I was 30. There are lots of ways age can come up without anyone having to go out of their way to ask or mention it.

-Getting carded, specifically at a place that doesn't card everyone, when they're not even carding everyone at the table-- and this happens frequently-- I know it may only be that they think I am under 35, not under 21, but still

-I say I'm going to my HS reunion or it's my anniversary, and someone asks what year/how many years and then seems genuinely shocked/has to do the math-- sure, maybe they're blowing smoke, eh, IDK

-My new boss keeps making cultural references and saying I wouldn't know about them. Cultural references from... the 80s and 90s. I was born in the 1970s. My supervisor called me and told me he had to repeatedly insist upon how old I actually am, because big boss kept assuming I was a dozen years younger

-People assuming my brother, who is 10 years younger than I am, is the older sibling

-I could go on

Sure, you can poke holes into all of these things! Maybe my little brother looks a haggard mess! Maybe my boss has dementia! Maybe the servers are all flirting with me!

It's not even a point of pride with me, per se. It's just a phenomenon that I daresay actually exists (and yes, I said 'daresay' in an online forum! ooh, no one will card me now!)

It's even more extreme with DH, who is an actor and constantly asked to audition for 30-somethings. He's over 50. Then again, not everyone is white.
Anonymous
I think it sort of depends on what people mean by youthful.

I have a friend who doesn't really look any younger than she is, exactly, but she is cute, petite, thin and wears the kinds of clothes a HSer would wear-- but just this side of appropriate and not try-hard. On-trend denim, oversized sweatshirts, etc.

OTOH, I have another friend whose skin just genuinely looks tremendously younger, who is very chic and fit. And just generally gorgeous.

In some ways, and especially at even a little distance, the first friend looks even more "youthful" than the second. But I don't think the first friend-- although totally cute and not a poser, BTW!-- is most people's aim.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I regularly get mistaken for someone 10 years younger than I am (I am 42, often get mistaken for early 30s)...


LOL. You are 42. Everyone gets mistaken for their 30s at 42.

Get back to me in 10 years.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My opinion in order of importance to an obviously subjective question:

1. Thin/toned, but not gaunt, like a BMI of 20-21, and no flab.
2. Great posture. A ballet background is really helpful here, but if you missed that in your childhood, I think yoga or pilates now would do the trick.
3. Great skin, which for me at 40 is achieved with medical grade skin care, subtle botox that I've done for 12 years now, and I recently added in RF micro needling treatments and love the results.
4. Nice hair. 40 is too young to show greys, in my opinion. I have subtle highlights around my face to brighten it a bit and blend in any new greys, which I just started getting.
5. Minimal makeup. I like tinted sunscreen, undereye concealer, brow gel, mascara, lip gloss, and a dusting of bronzer.
6. Sense of style. I like prefer neutrals, but I think this is personal and as long as your style is current and you own it, then it probably works for you.
7. Straight, white teeth.
8. Groomed nails (I am too busy for the salon, so I just do a light pink or clear polish every Sunday).


You’ve done Botox since you were 28?!!!?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I regularly get mistaken for someone 10 years younger than I am (I am 42, often get mistaken for early 30s). Here's what I think does it:

- Athletic. I used to be a personal trainer and still work out daily. I also walk almost everywhere I go and have lots of active hobbies (biking, hiking, rock climbing). This should be obvious, but the more active you are, the younger you will appear. It's not just that it makes your body look better (though it does), it also give you more energy, keeps you more flexible, helps maintain balance, etc. These feel like intangibles but spend some time watching how people move through the world. Exercising and feeling fit will make you appear younger without having to do anything to your clothes or hair.

- Minimal makeup. Granted, I think I have some good skin genes and my skin still looks pretty good despite not always being religious about skincare (I am now, but wasn't always when I was younger). But even if I had more wrinkles, I think a good quality CC cream plus some mascara and maaaaaybe a sheer cheek tint is plenty for most women. I went through a lipstick phase but stopped it specifically because I think it makes me look older (emphasizes thinning lips and tiny lines around my mouth that you didn't notice if I just wear a lip balm). I also think eye makeup is especially aging on older skin because it settles into all the fine lines. If you have the time to really make it look right, it works, but for every day? You will look more youthful with just a swipe of mascara and a relatively clean face. I have started to do my brows daily though, but that has to do with having light hair and needing some definition. I don't think it's necessary if your brows are already darker -- just tidy them up a bit.

- Keep clothes simple. Nothing too trendy, but I also keep things fairly streamlined. Agree that updated denim is key. So many women my age are afraid of higher rises and non-skinny jeans. I get it, but once you take the plunge, you can see it looks better. My favorite jeans right now are a highish rise with a straight leg in a mid-blue. Classic and easy. With a tee or tank tucked in, a hip-length blazer, and a pair of flats, it's such an easy look that doesn't make me look like I'm trying to be a teenager, but is in style in a way that won't date me. And it's easy and the pants are comfy! There's really no downside.

- Don't overdo technical fabrics and athleisure. I have and wear leggings. I own a fleece jacket. But I do not do head-to-toe athleisure very often. I think actual young people can pull this off and still look young. But once you're in your 40s, you just look like somebody's mom (full disclosure: I am somebody's mom). But a 40+ woman wearing black leggings/joggers, sports bra with athletic top, and a fleece jacket, plus sneakers, every day? It's not that it makes you look super old, it just pegs you to a certain stage of life -- school drop off, soccer practice, Saturdays at the playground, etc. Yes, it's plenty of women in their 30s doing this too. But the point is that it wears different once you're over 40. Putting in a smidge more effort will help a lot.

Genuine question: what are the circumstances under which people are guessing your age? It truly does not come up in conversation and I’m quite confident that it’s not because I look uncommonly old or young for my age.


NP but this comes up all the time and the skepticism is sort of... Well, to be fair, I guess it's both warranted and weird.

I'm sure lots of people think they look younger and absolutely do not, even if once in a while someone is surprised at their age.

But it's sort of weird to think you're going to "gotcha" an anonymous person online with this. And there are all kinds of ways age comes up in one way or another, or it's obvious in some way that people think you are approximately whatever age (like PP who has people CLEARLY assuming she and her son are on a date).

I look at least somewhat younger than I am, and have since I was 30. There are lots of ways age can come up without anyone having to go out of their way to ask or mention it.

-Getting carded, specifically at a place that doesn't card everyone, when they're not even carding everyone at the table-- and this happens frequently-- I know it may only be that they think I am under 35, not under 21, but still

-I say I'm going to my HS reunion or it's my anniversary, and someone asks what year/how many years and then seems genuinely shocked/has to do the math-- sure, maybe they're blowing smoke, eh, IDK

-My new boss keeps making cultural references and saying I wouldn't know about them. Cultural references from... the 80s and 90s. I was born in the 1970s. My supervisor called me and told me he had to repeatedly insist upon how old I actually am, because big boss kept assuming I was a dozen years younger

-People assuming my brother, who is 10 years younger than I am, is the older sibling

-I could go on

Sure, you can poke holes into all of these things! Maybe my little brother looks a haggard mess! Maybe my boss has dementia! Maybe the servers are all flirting with me!

It's not even a point of pride with me, per se. It's just a phenomenon that I daresay actually exists (and yes, I said 'daresay' in an online forum! ooh, no one will card me now!)

It's even more extreme with DH, who is an actor and constantly asked to audition for 30-somethings. He's over 50. Then again, not everyone is white.


You think about this alot, huh?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My opinion in order of importance to an obviously subjective question:

1. Thin/toned, but not gaunt, like a BMI of 20-21, and no flab.
2. Great posture. A ballet background is really helpful here, but if you missed that in your childhood, I think yoga or pilates now would do the trick.
3. Great skin, which for me at 40 is achieved with medical grade skin care, subtle botox that I've done for 12 years now, and I recently added in RF micro needling treatments and love the results.
4. Nice hair. 40 is too young to show greys, in my opinion. I have subtle highlights around my face to brighten it a bit and blend in any new greys, which I just started getting.
5. Minimal makeup. I like tinted sunscreen, undereye concealer, brow gel, mascara, lip gloss, and a dusting of bronzer.
6. Sense of style. I like prefer neutrals, but I think this is personal and as long as your style is current and you own it, then it probably works for you.
7. Straight, white teeth.
8. Groomed nails (I am too busy for the salon, so I just do a light pink or clear polish every Sunday).


You’ve done Botox since you were 28?!!!?


Read her post. She's super shallow and appearance focused. Yuck.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I regularly get mistaken for someone 10 years younger than I am (I am 42, often get mistaken for early 30s). Here's what I think does it:

- Athletic. I used to be a personal trainer and still work out daily. I also walk almost everywhere I go and have lots of active hobbies (biking, hiking, rock climbing). This should be obvious, but the more active you are, the younger you will appear. It's not just that it makes your body look better (though it does), it also give you more energy, keeps you more flexible, helps maintain balance, etc. These feel like intangibles but spend some time watching how people move through the world. Exercising and feeling fit will make you appear younger without having to do anything to your clothes or hair.

- Minimal makeup. Granted, I think I have some good skin genes and my skin still looks pretty good despite not always being religious about skincare (I am now, but wasn't always when I was younger). But even if I had more wrinkles, I think a good quality CC cream plus some mascara and maaaaaybe a sheer cheek tint is plenty for most women. I went through a lipstick phase but stopped it specifically because I think it makes me look older (emphasizes thinning lips and tiny lines around my mouth that you didn't notice if I just wear a lip balm). I also think eye makeup is especially aging on older skin because it settles into all the fine lines. If you have the time to really make it look right, it works, but for every day? You will look more youthful with just a swipe of mascara and a relatively clean face. I have started to do my brows daily though, but that has to do with having light hair and needing some definition. I don't think it's necessary if your brows are already darker -- just tidy them up a bit.

- Keep clothes simple. Nothing too trendy, but I also keep things fairly streamlined. Agree that updated denim is key. So many women my age are afraid of higher rises and non-skinny jeans. I get it, but once you take the plunge, you can see it looks better. My favorite jeans right now are a highish rise with a straight leg in a mid-blue. Classic and easy. With a tee or tank tucked in, a hip-length blazer, and a pair of flats, it's such an easy look that doesn't make me look like I'm trying to be a teenager, but is in style in a way that won't date me. And it's easy and the pants are comfy! There's really no downside.

- Don't overdo technical fabrics and athleisure. I have and wear leggings. I own a fleece jacket. But I do not do head-to-toe athleisure very often. I think actual young people can pull this off and still look young. But once you're in your 40s, you just look like somebody's mom (full disclosure: I am somebody's mom). But a 40+ woman wearing black leggings/joggers, sports bra with athletic top, and a fleece jacket, plus sneakers, every day? It's not that it makes you look super old, it just pegs you to a certain stage of life -- school drop off, soccer practice, Saturdays at the playground, etc. Yes, it's plenty of women in their 30s doing this too. But the point is that it wears different once you're over 40. Putting in a smidge more effort will help a lot.


You do know that saying "smidge" gives away your age, right?


Haha just what I was thinking. I’m surprised PP didn’t pick up on that with her try hard post.


LOL, a long answer is "try hard" now? Typical DCUM.

--not PP


DP. Yes, the PP is a try hard.

So many women on this forum just D-Y-I-N-G to talk about themselves. At great length. Yawn.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I regularly get mistaken for someone 10 years younger than I am (I am 42, often get mistaken for early 30s). Here's what I think does it:

- Athletic. I used to be a personal trainer and still work out daily. I also walk almost everywhere I go and have lots of active hobbies (biking, hiking, rock climbing). This should be obvious, but the more active you are, the younger you will appear. It's not just that it makes your body look better (though it does), it also give you more energy, keeps you more flexible, helps maintain balance, etc. These feel like intangibles but spend some time watching how people move through the world. Exercising and feeling fit will make you appear younger without having to do anything to your clothes or hair.

- Minimal makeup. Granted, I think I have some good skin genes and my skin still looks pretty good despite not always being religious about skincare (I am now, but wasn't always when I was younger). But even if I had more wrinkles, I think a good quality CC cream plus some mascara and maaaaaybe a sheer cheek tint is plenty for most women. I went through a lipstick phase but stopped it specifically because I think it makes me look older (emphasizes thinning lips and tiny lines around my mouth that you didn't notice if I just wear a lip balm). I also think eye makeup is especially aging on older skin because it settles into all the fine lines. If you have the time to really make it look right, it works, but for every day? You will look more youthful with just a swipe of mascara and a relatively clean face. I have started to do my brows daily though, but that has to do with having light hair and needing some definition. I don't think it's necessary if your brows are already darker -- just tidy them up a bit.

- Keep clothes simple. Nothing too trendy, but I also keep things fairly streamlined. Agree that updated denim is key. So many women my age are afraid of higher rises and non-skinny jeans. I get it, but once you take the plunge, you can see it looks better. My favorite jeans right now are a highish rise with a straight leg in a mid-blue. Classic and easy. With a tee or tank tucked in, a hip-length blazer, and a pair of flats, it's such an easy look that doesn't make me look like I'm trying to be a teenager, but is in style in a way that won't date me. And it's easy and the pants are comfy! There's really no downside.

- Don't overdo technical fabrics and athleisure. I have and wear leggings. I own a fleece jacket. But I do not do head-to-toe athleisure very often. I think actual young people can pull this off and still look young. But once you're in your 40s, you just look like somebody's mom (full disclosure: I am somebody's mom). But a 40+ woman wearing black leggings/joggers, sports bra with athletic top, and a fleece jacket, plus sneakers, every day? It's not that it makes you look super old, it just pegs you to a certain stage of life -- school drop off, soccer practice, Saturdays at the playground, etc. Yes, it's plenty of women in their 30s doing this too. But the point is that it wears different once you're over 40. Putting in a smidge more effort will help a lot.


I wear updated jeans to keep with the trends and appear more youthful so to speak, but in no way do high rise jeans and non skinny pants make someone look “better”. They are objectively less flattering.


But therein lies the rub... women start to age, get chubby around their middle, and have to start wearing stuff to try and be more flattering. So the "more flattering" stuff is a give away of being old.

In any event, being skinny solves the issue - high rise jeans look decent when you're skinny. The problem arises when you have a mom pooch - that's when they don't look good.


Very few people can truly pull off the current trend styles including high waist, flared ankle etc. It looks more “updated” but isn’t flattering to most women and that even includes thin women (who aren’t as tall as the models who sell the looks).


Not sure anyone is really pulling off the current ugly trends - young, good-looking people look good despite these clothes, not in any part because of them. And that’s probably why they wear them, the “I’m so hot I can wear truly ugly clothes and still look hot” vibe
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I regularly get mistaken for someone 10 years younger than I am (I am 42, often get mistaken for early 30s). Here's what I think does it:

- Athletic. I used to be a personal trainer and still work out daily. I also walk almost everywhere I go and have lots of active hobbies (biking, hiking, rock climbing). This should be obvious, but the more active you are, the younger you will appear. It's not just that it makes your body look better (though it does), it also give you more energy, keeps you more flexible, helps maintain balance, etc. These feel like intangibles but spend some time watching how people move through the world. Exercising and feeling fit will make you appear younger without having to do anything to your clothes or hair.

- Minimal makeup. Granted, I think I have some good skin genes and my skin still looks pretty good despite not always being religious about skincare (I am now, but wasn't always when I was younger). But even if I had more wrinkles, I think a good quality CC cream plus some mascara and maaaaaybe a sheer cheek tint is plenty for most women. I went through a lipstick phase but stopped it specifically because I think it makes me look older (emphasizes thinning lips and tiny lines around my mouth that you didn't notice if I just wear a lip balm). I also think eye makeup is especially aging on older skin because it settles into all the fine lines. If you have the time to really make it look right, it works, but for every day? You will look more youthful with just a swipe of mascara and a relatively clean face. I have started to do my brows daily though, but that has to do with having light hair and needing some definition. I don't think it's necessary if your brows are already darker -- just tidy them up a bit.

- Keep clothes simple. Nothing too trendy, but I also keep things fairly streamlined. Agree that updated denim is key. So many women my age are afraid of higher rises and non-skinny jeans. I get it, but once you take the plunge, you can see it looks better. My favorite jeans right now are a highish rise with a straight leg in a mid-blue. Classic and easy. With a tee or tank tucked in, a hip-length blazer, and a pair of flats, it's such an easy look that doesn't make me look like I'm trying to be a teenager, but is in style in a way that won't date me. And it's easy and the pants are comfy! There's really no downside.

- Don't overdo technical fabrics and athleisure. I have and wear leggings. I own a fleece jacket. But I do not do head-to-toe athleisure very often. I think actual young people can pull this off and still look young. But once you're in your 40s, you just look like somebody's mom (full disclosure: I am somebody's mom). But a 40+ woman wearing black leggings/joggers, sports bra with athletic top, and a fleece jacket, plus sneakers, every day? It's not that it makes you look super old, it just pegs you to a certain stage of life -- school drop off, soccer practice, Saturdays at the playground, etc. Yes, it's plenty of women in their 30s doing this too. But the point is that it wears different once you're over 40. Putting in a smidge more effort will help a lot.


I wear updated jeans to keep with the trends and appear more youthful so to speak, but in no way do high rise jeans and non skinny pants make someone look “better”. They are objectively less flattering.


But therein lies the rub... women start to age, get chubby around their middle, and have to start wearing stuff to try and be more flattering. So the "more flattering" stuff is a give away of being old.

In any event, being skinny solves the issue - high rise jeans look decent when you're skinny. The problem arises when you have a mom pooch - that's when they don't look good.


Very few people can truly pull off the current trend styles including high waist, flared ankle etc. It looks more “updated” but isn’t flattering to most women and that even includes thin women (who aren’t as tall as the models who sell the looks).


Not sure anyone is really pulling off the current ugly trends - young, good-looking people look good despite these clothes, not in any part because of them. And that’s probably why they wear them, the “I’m so hot I can wear truly ugly clothes and still look hot” vibe


Reminds of a comic I heard talking about the sexual revolution of the 70s and how it was less about sex and more about trying to get out of those ugly clothes
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