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It's not just PG county either. Here's the Black mayoral candidate in LA telling progressives she's supporting law and order and won't defund the police: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/17/los-angeles-mayoral-race-crime-priorities-00025445
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+1. White and not in PG, but I also prefer police to do their job without killing black boys and girls. It’s not just racial justice, it’s a practical matter - it gets very expensive paying out settlements for all those little dead boys and girls. I’d rather spend that money on something more productive, like education, supportive housing, or diversion programs for at risk youth. If the cops have so much money they can send all their people to that crap “shoot first” training, or stock up on military grade riot equipment more suitable for the streets of Afghanistan or war-torn Ukraine than a suburban environment, then a budget adjustment is certainly in order. |
You, PP, underscore why crime exists. Ahh, boo hoo - think the prior PP is right wing?? Ok/ have at the opposite! You go ahead an defund your local police and take officers out of your schools. Good luck!! |
I think it’s time for you to get off social media. Over 99% of police interactions result in no use of force, and most of those uses are deemed justified. Unfortunately, bad things occur and officers have to react. The vast, vast majority of the time, they do so admirably. Your post suggests that police run around acting like life is a video game, which NO statistic ANYWHERE could prove. I recommend you do a ride-along or apply for a citizen’s academy so you can get a more realistic view of the profession. Does bad policing occur? Absolutely. We see it in the news. What we DON’T see is the regular, daily work officers do. It’s time to stop perpetuating lies about police struggling to “do their job without killing.” You make the job much harder for the many honest, hard-working people who do the job honorably every day. |
I think we can all agree that no one wants cops to accidentally kill kids of any race. But cops aren't the enemy and making them the enemy is only increasing crime. If you are so enthusiastic about keeping kids alive, go volunteer or something, because making this into policy has been disastrous. No one- black, white or otherwise, was happy when a kid got shot in a MoCo HS but all the SROs had been removed from schools. |
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It's only "ironic" if you assume every black person is obsessed with "wokeness," and that there is no variety of ideology in a large county containing urban, rural, and suburban areas because apparently all black people think and vote the same.
Is that what you believe, OP? |
I mean apparently we can't agree on that or else cops wouldn't kill so many people. Wanting cops to be better trained isn't making them the enemy. |
Your first sentence negates your second. Police killed 1,055 people last year in a nation of over 300 million. While that is still unfortunate, it doesn’t warrant your “so many.” Most of those were deemed justified because, unfortunately, sometimes officers are left with no other choice. If we continue to use language that blankety suggests police are bad, then yes, we are viewing them as the enemy. Also, departments are already responding by dramatically evaluating training and hiring methods. At what point can we support their efforts instead of hinder them? |
Killing 1000 people is many to me so I am going to stick with that wording. You are welcome to disagree |
Should officers have the right to defend themselves? What about the many in that 1,000 dead who were actively shooting at police? Do you agree that police should have the ability to defend themselves when somebody else puts them in mortal danger? If you don’t, then you’re right. We will have to disagree with each other. |
Who decides what is “justified”? The same people doing the shooting. Cops fight accountability at every step, and they ruthlessly purge anyone from their ranks who doesn’t go along to get along. Policing in America has some real problems. If one person died needlessly at the hands of the police it’s one person too many. The people saying “oh it’s only 1,000 people dead” and “oh, they deserved to die anyway” would be singing a different tune if it was their kid hit by a stray bullet or killed in a reckless chase or smothered to death for taking too long to leave a movie theater. |
The problem is “mortal danger” is subjective and, in addition to having a gun pointed to your head, also apparently means sassing a cop while Black. It’s easy to say don’t do it and you’ll be safe, and then 10-year olds are getting shot dead because they have toy guns. |
For what they get paid, and their virtual immunity to laws while taxpayers fit the bill, I demand something close to perfection. I don’t accept at face value their own assessments that shootings were “justified”. I also don’t accept your figures that 99% of encounters are without force. Not every bad incident gets logged, not every death makes the news, and not every illegal search hits the Supreme Court, and yet we don’t suffer from lack of publicly known examples for any. |
There isn’t a single statistic or argument that you’ll accept. I also suspect you won’t take the opportunity to do a ride-along or attend a citizen’s academy. Either activity would give you a hands-on, clearer understanding of police work. I’ve talked to too many people with an anti-police stance, and it always boils down to one thing: all police are bad by simple virtue of them being the police. Any statistic is shot down with cynicism and any attempt to highlight the good work officers do is shot down, as well. A report just came out this week that shootings OF police officers had dramatically risen. I personally know one who had his house targeted and shot at while his kids were in bed upstairs. Why? Because he’s an officer. Guess what event the news also didn’t report? If you want to be part of a solution instead of parroting online hyperbole, I suggest you take one of my suggestions above. You may feel differently once you meet the people you disparage. It certainly opened my eyes. |
If you would like to take a look at some local statistics, try this: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/annual-reports/UseOfForce/2019%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report_FINAL.PDF This is Montgomery County, MD. (I believe local statistics should inform local opinions. If you aren’t in MD, the department near you has published a similar report, I’m sure.) This is 2019, the most recent non-COVID year for comparisons. I suppose you are correct. It wasn’t 99%. It’s actually 99.74% of dispatched calls that ultimately resulted in a use of force. Are there bad elements to policing? Absolutely. Should we assume it is all bad? Clearly not. |