Anonymous wrote:It's common knowledge that regular POC do not want the police defunded in their communities. It's only richer areas with white progressive voters/politicians that actually attempt to defund the police. They almost always ignore pleas from the POC community to increase police presence in their community and schools as well.
I see Black activists make sweeping statements regarding the culture of ‘disruption’. Encouraging gullible, social justice minded White people to be onboard as an ally or be the enemy.
This pushes the movement or agenda forward. But when one of those ideas backfires or becomes a liability, it’s because of the ‘woke’ White people and Black people don’t want that thing at all.
The ‘regular’ black people keep quiet about it, even if they disagree because they would not want the bootlicker label. They speak up when it’s time to blame the White people.
People get confused, then you get posts like this about the irony of it.
Black politicians in PG do not talk about defunding the police while making excuses for criminals on Twitter such as claiming people jack cars because it's cold outside. That's a white, progressive act in DC, MC, and Nova.
+1 Well said. As a longtime PG resident, there is a widely held view that we need police to prevent crime waves during the early 2000s without them killing our young boys and girls.
+1. White and not in PG, but I also prefer police to do their job without killing black boys and girls. It’s not just racial justice, it’s a practical matter - it gets very expensive paying out settlements for all those little dead boys and girls. I’d rather spend that money on something more productive, like education, supportive housing, or diversion programs for at risk youth.
If the cops have so much money they can send all their people to that crap “shoot first” training, or stock up on military grade riot equipment more suitable for the streets of Afghanistan or war-torn Ukraine than a suburban environment, then a budget adjustment is certainly in order.
I think it’s time for you to get off social media. Over 99% of police interactions result in no use of force, and most of those uses are deemed justified. Unfortunately, bad things occur and officers have to react. The vast, vast majority of the time, they do so admirably. Your post suggests that police run around acting like life is a video game, which NO statistic ANYWHERE could prove. I recommend you do a ride-along or apply for a citizen’s academy so you can get a more realistic view of the profession. Does bad policing occur? Absolutely. We see it in the news. What we DON’T see is the regular, daily work officers do. It’s time to stop perpetuating lies about police struggling to “do their job without killing.” You make the job much harder for the many honest, hard-working people who do the job honorably every day.
For what they get paid, and their virtual immunity to laws while taxpayers fit the bill, I demand something close to perfection. I don’t accept at face value their own assessments that shootings were “justified”. I also don’t accept your figures that 99% of encounters are without force. Not every bad incident gets logged, not every death makes the news, and not every illegal search hits the Supreme Court, and yet we don’t suffer from lack of publicly known examples for any.
There isn’t a single statistic or argument that you’ll accept. I also suspect you won’t take the opportunity to do a ride-along or attend a citizen’s academy. Either activity would give you a hands-on, clearer understanding of police work. I’ve talked to too many people with an anti-police stance, and it always boils down to one thing: all police are bad by simple virtue of them being the police. Any statistic is shot down with cynicism and any attempt to highlight the good work officers do is shot down, as well. A report just came out this week that shootings OF police officers had dramatically risen. I personally know one who had his house targeted and shot at while his kids were in bed upstairs. Why? Because he’s an officer. Guess what event the news also didn’t report? If you want to be part of a solution instead of parroting online hyperbole, I suggest you take one of my suggestions above. You may feel differently once you meet the people you disparage. It certainly opened my eyes.
This is Montgomery County, MD. (I believe local statistics should inform local opinions. If you aren’t in MD, the department near you has published a similar report, I’m sure.) This is 2019, the most recent non-COVID year for comparisons. I suppose you are correct. It wasn’t 99%. It’s actually 99.74% of dispatched calls that ultimately resulted in a use of force. Are there bad elements to policing? Absolutely. Should we assume it is all bad? Clearly not.
That clearly needs editing:
99.74% did NOT result in a use of force.
Anonymous wrote:It's common knowledge that regular POC do not want the police defunded in their communities. It's only richer areas with white progressive voters/politicians that actually attempt to defund the police. They almost always ignore pleas from the POC community to increase police presence in their community and schools as well.
I see Black activists make sweeping statements regarding the culture of ‘disruption’. Encouraging gullible, social justice minded White people to be onboard as an ally or be the enemy.
This pushes the movement or agenda forward. But when one of those ideas backfires or becomes a liability, it’s because of the ‘woke’ White people and Black people don’t want that thing at all.
The ‘regular’ black people keep quiet about it, even if they disagree because they would not want the bootlicker label. They speak up when it’s time to blame the White people.
People get confused, then you get posts like this about the irony of it.
Pretty genius actually.
Black politicians in PG do not talk about defunding the police while making excuses for criminals on Twitter such as claiming people jack cars because it's cold outside. That's a white, progressive act in DC, MC, and Nova.
+1 Well said. As a longtime PG resident, there is a widely held view that we need police to prevent crime waves during the early 2000s without them killing our young boys and girls.
+1. White and not in PG, but I also prefer police to do their job without killing black boys and girls. It’s not just racial justice, it’s a practical matter - it gets very expensive paying out settlements for all those little dead boys and girls. I’d rather spend that money on something more productive, like education, supportive housing, or diversion programs for at risk youth.
If the cops have so much money they can send all their people to that crap “shoot first” training, or stock up on military grade riot equipment more suitable for the streets of Afghanistan or war-torn Ukraine than a suburban environment, then a budget adjustment is certainly in order.
I think we can all agree that no one wants cops to accidentally kill kids of any race. But cops aren't the enemy and making them the enemy is only increasing crime. If you are so enthusiastic about keeping kids alive, go volunteer or something, because making this into policy has been disastrous. No one- black, white or otherwise, was happy when a kid got shot in a MoCo HS but all the SROs had been removed from schools.
I mean apparently we can't agree on that or else cops wouldn't kill so many people. Wanting cops to be better trained isn't making them the enemy.
Your first sentence negates your second. Police killed 1,055 people last year in a nation of over 300 million. While that is still unfortunate, it doesn’t warrant your “so many.” Most of those were deemed justified because, unfortunately, sometimes officers are left with no other choice. If we continue to use language that blankety suggests police are bad, then yes, we are viewing them as the enemy. Also, departments are already responding by dramatically evaluating training and hiring methods. At what point can we support their efforts instead of hinder them?
Killing 1000 people is many to me so I am going to stick with that wording. You are welcome to disagree
Should officers have the right to defend themselves? What about the many in that 1,000 dead who were actively shooting at police? Do you agree that police should have the ability to defend themselves when somebody else puts them in mortal danger? If you don’t, then you’re right. We will have to disagree with each other.
New poster. We are the most heavily armed civilian population in the world. We also have a right to self defense or defense of another. As do police. The difference is, I likely will never experience a situation where I have to defend myself, or defend another (like my kid), but we call on police to do that all the time.
Get rid of the guns and you will see a stark difference in officer-involved killing statistics.
Of course that will never happen.
Next best thing:
Focus on officer-involved killings of unarmed individuals.
Anonymous wrote:It's common knowledge that regular POC do not want the police defunded in their communities. It's only richer areas with white progressive voters/politicians that actually attempt to defund the police. They almost always ignore pleas from the POC community to increase police presence in their community and schools as well.
I see Black activists make sweeping statements regarding the culture of ‘disruption’. Encouraging gullible, social justice minded White people to be onboard as an ally or be the enemy.
This pushes the movement or agenda forward. But when one of those ideas backfires or becomes a liability, it’s because of the ‘woke’ White people and Black people don’t want that thing at all.
The ‘regular’ black people keep quiet about it, even if they disagree because they would not want the bootlicker label. They speak up when it’s time to blame the White people.
People get confused, then you get posts like this about the irony of it.
Black politicians in PG do not talk about defunding the police while making excuses for criminals on Twitter such as claiming people jack cars because it's cold outside. That's a white, progressive act in DC, MC, and Nova.
+1 Well said. As a longtime PG resident, there is a widely held view that we need police to prevent crime waves during the early 2000s without them killing our young boys and girls.
+1. White and not in PG, but I also prefer police to do their job without killing black boys and girls. It’s not just racial justice, it’s a practical matter - it gets very expensive paying out settlements for all those little dead boys and girls. I’d rather spend that money on something more productive, like education, supportive housing, or diversion programs for at risk youth.
If the cops have so much money they can send all their people to that crap “shoot first” training, or stock up on military grade riot equipment more suitable for the streets of Afghanistan or war-torn Ukraine than a suburban environment, then a budget adjustment is certainly in order.
I think it’s time for you to get off social media. Over 99% of police interactions result in no use of force, and most of those uses are deemed justified. Unfortunately, bad things occur and officers have to react. The vast, vast majority of the time, they do so admirably. Your post suggests that police run around acting like life is a video game, which NO statistic ANYWHERE could prove. I recommend you do a ride-along or apply for a citizen’s academy so you can get a more realistic view of the profession. Does bad policing occur? Absolutely. We see it in the news. What we DON’T see is the regular, daily work officers do. It’s time to stop perpetuating lies about police struggling to “do their job without killing.” You make the job much harder for the many honest, hard-working people who do the job honorably every day.
For what they get paid, and their virtual immunity to laws while taxpayers fit the bill, I demand something close to perfection. I don’t accept at face value their own assessments that shootings were “justified”. I also don’t accept your figures that 99% of encounters are without force. Not every bad incident gets logged, not every death makes the news, and not every illegal search hits the Supreme Court, and yet we don’t suffer from lack of publicly known examples for any.
There isn’t a single statistic or argument that you’ll accept. I also suspect you won’t take the opportunity to do a ride-along or attend a citizen’s academy. Either activity would give you a hands-on, clearer understanding of police work. I’ve talked to too many people with an anti-police stance, and it always boils down to one thing: all police are bad by simple virtue of them being the police. Any statistic is shot down with cynicism and any attempt to highlight the good work officers do is shot down, as well. A report just came out this week that shootings OF police officers had dramatically risen. I personally know one who had his house targeted and shot at while his kids were in bed upstairs. Why? Because he’s an officer. Guess what event the news also didn’t report? If you want to be part of a solution instead of parroting online hyperbole, I suggest you take one of my suggestions above. You may feel differently once you meet the people you disparage. It certainly opened my eyes.
This is Montgomery County, MD. (I believe local statistics should inform local opinions. If you aren’t in MD, the department near you has published a similar report, I’m sure.) This is 2019, the most recent non-COVID year for comparisons. I suppose you are correct. It wasn’t 99%. It’s actually 99.74% of dispatched calls that ultimately resulted in a use of force. Are there bad elements to policing? Absolutely. Should we assume it is all bad? Clearly not.
That clearly needs editing:
99.74% did NOT result in a use of force.
Congrats? I’m sorry, I work in a profession that has a very high standard for excellence. It doesn’t matter if I do my job 99% of the time if I kill someone innocent that last percentage due to my own negligence. And again, roughing someone up during a stop and frisk, or groping a pretty woman during a traffic stop isn’t likely to make the official statistics. They only log it when they absolutely have to.
Anonymous wrote:It's common knowledge that regular POC do not want the police defunded in their communities. It's only richer areas with white progressive voters/politicians that actually attempt to defund the police. They almost always ignore pleas from the POC community to increase police presence in their community and schools as well.
I see Black activists make sweeping statements regarding the culture of ‘disruption’. Encouraging gullible, social justice minded White people to be onboard as an ally or be the enemy.
This pushes the movement or agenda forward. But when one of those ideas backfires or becomes a liability, it’s because of the ‘woke’ White people and Black people don’t want that thing at all.
The ‘regular’ black people keep quiet about it, even if they disagree because they would not want the bootlicker label. They speak up when it’s time to blame the White people.
People get confused, then you get posts like this about the irony of it.
Black politicians in PG do not talk about defunding the police while making excuses for criminals on Twitter such as claiming people jack cars because it's cold outside. That's a white, progressive act in DC, MC, and Nova.
+1 Well said. As a longtime PG resident, there is a widely held view that we need police to prevent crime waves during the early 2000s without them killing our young boys and girls.
+1. White and not in PG, but I also prefer police to do their job without killing black boys and girls. It’s not just racial justice, it’s a practical matter - it gets very expensive paying out settlements for all those little dead boys and girls. I’d rather spend that money on something more productive, like education, supportive housing, or diversion programs for at risk youth.
If the cops have so much money they can send all their people to that crap “shoot first” training, or stock up on military grade riot equipment more suitable for the streets of Afghanistan or war-torn Ukraine than a suburban environment, then a budget adjustment is certainly in order.
I think it’s time for you to get off social media. Over 99% of police interactions result in no use of force, and most of those uses are deemed justified. Unfortunately, bad things occur and officers have to react. The vast, vast majority of the time, they do so admirably. Your post suggests that police run around acting like life is a video game, which NO statistic ANYWHERE could prove. I recommend you do a ride-along or apply for a citizen’s academy so you can get a more realistic view of the profession. Does bad policing occur? Absolutely. We see it in the news. What we DON’T see is the regular, daily work officers do. It’s time to stop perpetuating lies about police struggling to “do their job without killing.” You make the job much harder for the many honest, hard-working people who do the job honorably every day.
For what they get paid, and their virtual immunity to laws while taxpayers fit the bill, I demand something close to perfection. I don’t accept at face value their own assessments that shootings were “justified”. I also don’t accept your figures that 99% of encounters are without force. Not every bad incident gets logged, not every death makes the news, and not every illegal search hits the Supreme Court, and yet we don’t suffer from lack of publicly known examples for any.
There isn’t a single statistic or argument that you’ll accept. I also suspect you won’t take the opportunity to do a ride-along or attend a citizen’s academy. Either activity would give you a hands-on, clearer understanding of police work. I’ve talked to too many people with an anti-police stance, and it always boils down to one thing: all police are bad by simple virtue of them being the police. Any statistic is shot down with cynicism and any attempt to highlight the good work officers do is shot down, as well. A report just came out this week that shootings OF police officers had dramatically risen. I personally know one who had his house targeted and shot at while his kids were in bed upstairs. Why? Because he’s an officer. Guess what event the news also didn’t report? If you want to be part of a solution instead of parroting online hyperbole, I suggest you take one of my suggestions above. You may feel differently once you meet the people you disparage. It certainly opened my eyes.
This is Montgomery County, MD. (I believe local statistics should inform local opinions. If you aren’t in MD, the department near you has published a similar report, I’m sure.) This is 2019, the most recent non-COVID year for comparisons. I suppose you are correct. It wasn’t 99%. It’s actually 99.74% of dispatched calls that ultimately resulted in a use of force. Are there bad elements to policing? Absolutely. Should we assume it is all bad? Clearly not.
That clearly needs editing:
99.74% did NOT result in a use of force.
Congrats? I’m sorry, I work in a profession that has a very high standard for excellence. It doesn’t matter if I do my job 99% of the time if I kill someone innocent that last percentage due to my own negligence. And again, roughing someone up during a stop and frisk, or groping a pretty woman during a traffic stop isn’t likely to make the official statistics. They only log it when they absolutely have to.
You misunderstand. There is nothing wrong, at all, with appropriate use of force.
What are the stats on inappropriate uses or force?
Anonymous wrote:It's common knowledge that regular POC do not want the police defunded in their communities. It's only richer areas with white progressive voters/politicians that actually attempt to defund the police. They almost always ignore pleas from the POC community to increase police presence in their community and schools as well.
I see Black activists make sweeping statements regarding the culture of ‘disruption’. Encouraging gullible, social justice minded White people to be onboard as an ally or be the enemy.
This pushes the movement or agenda forward. But when one of those ideas backfires or becomes a liability, it’s because of the ‘woke’ White people and Black people don’t want that thing at all.
The ‘regular’ black people keep quiet about it, even if they disagree because they would not want the bootlicker label. They speak up when it’s time to blame the White people.
People get confused, then you get posts like this about the irony of it.
Black politicians in PG do not talk about defunding the police while making excuses for criminals on Twitter such as claiming people jack cars because it's cold outside. That's a white, progressive act in DC, MC, and Nova.
+1 Well said. As a longtime PG resident, there is a widely held view that we need police to prevent crime waves during the early 2000s without them killing our young boys and girls.
+1. White and not in PG, but I also prefer police to do their job without killing black boys and girls. It’s not just racial justice, it’s a practical matter - it gets very expensive paying out settlements for all those little dead boys and girls. I’d rather spend that money on something more productive, like education, supportive housing, or diversion programs for at risk youth.
If the cops have so much money they can send all their people to that crap “shoot first” training, or stock up on military grade riot equipment more suitable for the streets of Afghanistan or war-torn Ukraine than a suburban environment, then a budget adjustment is certainly in order.
I think it’s time for you to get off social media. Over 99% of police interactions result in no use of force, and most of those uses are deemed justified. Unfortunately, bad things occur and officers have to react. The vast, vast majority of the time, they do so admirably. Your post suggests that police run around acting like life is a video game, which NO statistic ANYWHERE could prove. I recommend you do a ride-along or apply for a citizen’s academy so you can get a more realistic view of the profession. Does bad policing occur? Absolutely. We see it in the news. What we DON’T see is the regular, daily work officers do. It’s time to stop perpetuating lies about police struggling to “do their job without killing.” You make the job much harder for the many honest, hard-working people who do the job honorably every day.
For what they get paid, and their virtual immunity to laws while taxpayers fit the bill, I demand something close to perfection. I don’t accept at face value their own assessments that shootings were “justified”. I also don’t accept your figures that 99% of encounters are without force. Not every bad incident gets logged, not every death makes the news, and not every illegal search hits the Supreme Court, and yet we don’t suffer from lack of publicly known examples for any.
There isn’t a single statistic or argument that you’ll accept. I also suspect you won’t take the opportunity to do a ride-along or attend a citizen’s academy. Either activity would give you a hands-on, clearer understanding of police work. I’ve talked to too many people with an anti-police stance, and it always boils down to one thing: all police are bad by simple virtue of them being the police. Any statistic is shot down with cynicism and any attempt to highlight the good work officers do is shot down, as well. A report just came out this week that shootings OF police officers had dramatically risen. I personally know one who had his house targeted and shot at while his kids were in bed upstairs. Why? Because he’s an officer. Guess what event the news also didn’t report? If you want to be part of a solution instead of parroting online hyperbole, I suggest you take one of my suggestions above. You may feel differently once you meet the people you disparage. It certainly opened my eyes.
This is Montgomery County, MD. (I believe local statistics should inform local opinions. If you aren’t in MD, the department near you has published a similar report, I’m sure.) This is 2019, the most recent non-COVID year for comparisons. I suppose you are correct. It wasn’t 99%. It’s actually 99.74% of dispatched calls that ultimately resulted in a use of force. Are there bad elements to policing? Absolutely. Should we assume it is all bad? Clearly not.
That clearly needs editing:
99.74% did NOT result in a use of force.
Congrats? I’m sorry, I work in a profession that has a very high standard for excellence. It doesn’t matter if I do my job 99% of the time if I kill someone innocent that last percentage due to my own negligence. And again, roughing someone up during a stop and frisk, or groping a pretty woman during a traffic stop isn’t likely to make the official statistics. They only log it when they absolutely have to.
I have a couple of questions for you:
1. When somebody in your profession breaks a law or commits a heinous crime, are you personally blamed simply because you are also within that profession? It seems we are definitely doing that to our nation's police. When 99.74% of their interactions result in no use of force, it seems like there must be a lot of officers performing their jobs honorably and well.
2. Two posts on this thread have stated that bad behavior doesn't make official statistics. That's an awfully convenient accusation to make since it can't be proven. I'd argue that *IF* this is even the case, the bad behavior you say isn't reported *STILL* wouldn't make a substantial change in statistics when we are talking about 1,055 in 330,000,000, meaning a deadly use of force happens in 0.00000319696% of interactions. I suspect, if we were to look into your profession and it's high standard for excellence, we may find that the professionals in your field behave poorly at a higher rate.
3. If you really want to get a good look at policing, take the offer above to actually attend a citizen's academy or participate in a ride along. It's a lot harder to vilify people in an unwarranted fashion once you get to meet them.
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