So now that we are literally campaign fodder for immigration, what next?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be an issue. If these are migrants who aren’t being deported, then they’re being released pending a hearing or something. They will go wherever they were planning to go - probably to stay with family or try to find work. We have local nonprofits who can help. Others will just continue on to where they were going including back to Texas if that was their plan. The buses are just a silly stunt.

I would also point out that the term “illegal immigrant” is totally inappropriate here. It’s a lie by Republicans. They’re talking about people who presented at the border and applied for asylum. That’s not illegal! They’re not even “undocumented.”

Every one could say they are entering for asylum.

+1

It’s disingenuous to pretend everyone who crosses the border claims asylum to get into the country.

[Anonymous]

What is the end game? Do we just bus them around the country until they stop coming? A few years ago I was traveling throughout Central America and all of those countries a passport. At our Port of entry to Brasilia there was one Canadian who was turned around because their valid visa did not have over thirty days left on it after their anticipated departure. Are these people showing up with visas? Why did the Canadian get put on the next flight back to Canada because of three days of overlap yet you can simply cross into Texas.

[Anonymous]

Most European countries have a passive form of enforcement in the form of a national ID.
E.g, in Germany, without a national ID, one cannot -

rent an apartment
enroll child for school
apply for a job
buy train ticket
open bank account
vote

These are just the ones I can think of right now, I'm sure there are more prohibitions.
For this reason illegal migration into Germany is not really viable.

In China years ago I me some folks who said that it's easy to get into America. As a Chinese person myself, I was getting unvarnished insider opinion.
A lot of people world over treat America's borders as a revolving door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most European countries have a passive form of enforcement in the form of a national ID.
E.g, in Germany, without a national ID, one cannot -

rent an apartment
enroll child for school
apply for a job
buy train ticket
open bank account
vote

These are just the ones I can think of right now, I'm sure there are more prohibitions.
For this reason illegal migration into Germany is not really viable.

In China years ago I me some folks who said that it's easy to get into America. As a Chinese person myself, I was getting unvarnished insider opinion.
A lot of people world over treat America's borders as a revolving door.

Yes, I work in the middle east frequently. You cannot buy a mobile phone or get cable installed without a national ID number assigned by immigration. No car, no utility hook ups, no internet access outside of hotels.

The US is the ONLY country in the world that does not think that borders mean anything. Try working in the UK without appropriate documentation, or France.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So first Texas threatened to send undocumented immigrants to DC on busses.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/06/us/texas-immigrants-charter-buses-dc/index.html
As of this morning according to the local New the undisclosed number of busses are heading to DC with the immigrants.
What next? I realize that there is a reality that has only been marginally impacting us, but how is DC going to address this or even absorb hundreds of undocumented workers?is this transparent to city resources. As most will be Latino do existing groups have the capacity to receive these workers, house them, explain the immigration process and work with them throughout their next year of legal appointments?

Texas indicates this is only the beginning. How many can DC welcome?

Not in our backyard, right OP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look at the size of Texas.

Look at the size of the district.



Of course Texas has the room. If they need the money, they should absolutely receive federal help. Money for every immigrant taken in.

The size of a state does not matter. The amount of habitable land does. Which is why these people congregate and overcrowd areas of wherever they end up - they go where the resources are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the size of Texas.

Look at the size of the district.



Of course Texas has the room. If they need the money, they should absolutely receive federal help. Money for every immigrant taken in.

Or we could just enforce our borders. I don’t see why Texas is expected to take in migrants but not DC.

PP you replied to. We ALL agree on that, but the border is one of the longest in the world and just impossible to secure. High walls were possibly a good idea, but you've seen how easily people can still get across, and how much of it we'd need to build and maintain. Plus, there are conservation areas there, and bodies of water.

We need to act on ALL the options we have: border enforcement is only one of our tools. Being nasty to the illegal immigrants that have been in the country for years and paid taxes is unnecessarily punitive, when we've all benefited from their labor. So the answer has to depend on which illegal immigrant we're talking about, how long they've been there and how they've comported themselves.

Illegal immigrants in good standing should be encouraged to settle in all states that have the room, with subsidies for those states.

- legal immigrant.

Or we could just not let these people enter our country to begin with.

What part of long border/impossible to secure do you not understand?

Do you want to talk to Border Patrol in Texas? They'll tell you about it.

We CAN secure a large portion of our border, which allows agents to concentrate in those areas that are harder to secure. We can also put pressure on Mexico to stop them on their side of the border. And prosecute groups like La Frontera who aid and abet illegal immigrants. If nothing else, leftists and liberals, who claim to be so compassionate, should want to to do this given the abuses women and girls suffer to get here. Funny how these abuses are ignored. It's almost like liberals and leftist are picking and choosing their outrage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the reason we have such immigration on that border is that Mexico and Central American countries are poor and folks are desperate for a better life. As long as there is this economic disparity, the border will be a huge problem.

For these governments' stability and productivity, we need to squash drug cartels. And this means curtailing American consumption of hard drugs, by all means necessary. As well as banning weapons.

It's all related.

Do you honestly believe these are the only immigrants coming over? Really??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be an issue. If these are migrants who aren’t being deported, then they’re being released pending a hearing or something. They will go wherever they were planning to go - probably to stay with family or try to find work. We have local nonprofits who can help. Others will just continue on to where they were going including back to Texas if that was their plan. The buses are just a silly stunt.

I would also point out that the term “illegal immigrant” is totally inappropriate here. It’s a lie by Republicans. They’re talking about people who presented at the border and applied for asylum. That’s not illegal! They’re not even “undocumented.”

Every one could say they are entering for asylum.

They afforded due process on that claim by the Constitution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the end game? Do we just bus them around the country until they stop coming? A few years ago I was traveling throughout Central America and all of those countries a passport. At our Port of entry to Brasilia there was one Canadian who was turned around because their valid visa did not have over thirty days left on it after their anticipated departure. Are these people showing up with visas? Why did the Canadian get put on the next flight back to Canada because of three days of overlap yet you can simply cross into Texas.

IT’S BECAUSE OF LAWS. We go by the law! You’re allowed to come here and apply for asylum. You’re allowed to stay, according to our laws, and have your claim heard. You might be denied and deported or you might be granted legal status. So the reason the person from Canada was turned away and the reason these people in buses are here is the same reason - the Border agents are following the law. The laws can be changed, so can the Constitution. But this isn’t about “illegal immigration” because it’s not illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most European countries have a passive form of enforcement in the form of a national ID.
E.g, in Germany, without a national ID, one cannot -

rent an apartment
enroll child for school
apply for a job
buy train ticket
open bank account
vote

These are just the ones I can think of right now, I'm sure there are more prohibitions.
For this reason illegal migration into Germany is not really viable.

In China years ago I me some folks who said that it's easy to get into America. As a Chinese person myself, I was getting unvarnished insider opinion.
A lot of people world over treat America's borders as a revolving door.

Yes, I work in the middle east frequently. You cannot buy a mobile phone or get cable installed without a national ID number assigned by immigration. No car, no utility hook ups, no internet access outside of hotels.

The US is the ONLY country in the world that does not think that borders mean anything. Try working in the UK without appropriate documentation, or France.

This isn’t at all relevant to the people on the buses because they’ve already been processed and released by our immigration authorities. They’re not undocumented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be an issue. If these are migrants who aren’t being deported, then they’re being released pending a hearing or something. They will go wherever they were planning to go - probably to stay with family or try to find work. We have local nonprofits who can help. Others will just continue on to where they were going including back to Texas if that was their plan. The buses are just a silly stunt.

I would also point out that the term “illegal immigrant” is totally inappropriate here. It’s a lie by Republicans. They’re talking about people who presented at the border and applied for asylum. That’s not illegal! They’re not even “undocumented.”

Nobody said illegal. You inserted that to color this conversation even more politically. I think people were just having a discussion and you are charging it with loaded terms that hurt people's feelings.

Abbott is referring to them as “illegal” even though he’s acknowledging that the people on the buses have been processed and released by the feds, presumably to wait for a court date.

“Abbott has directed the Texas Division of Emergency Management to charter buses and flights that would send to Washington willing migrants who've been processed and released from federal custody, his office said.

"To help local officials whose communities are being overwhelmed by hordes of illegal immigrants who are being dropped off by the administration, Texas is providing charter buses to send these illegal immigrants who have been dropped off by the Biden Administration to Washington, DC," Abbott said during a news conference Wednesday along the US-Mexico border in Weslaco, Texas.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the size of Texas.

Look at the size of the district.



Of course Texas has the room. If they need the money, they should absolutely receive federal help. Money for every immigrant taken in.

Or we could just enforce our borders. I don’t see why Texas is expected to take in migrants but not DC.

PP you replied to. We ALL agree on that, but the border is one of the longest in the world and just impossible to secure. High walls were possibly a good idea, but you've seen how easily people can still get across, and how much of it we'd need to build and maintain. Plus, there are conservation areas there, and bodies of water.

We need to act on ALL the options we have: border enforcement is only one of our tools. Being nasty to the illegal immigrants that have been in the country for years and paid taxes is unnecessarily punitive, when we've all benefited from their labor. So the answer has to depend on which illegal immigrant we're talking about, how long they've been there and how they've comported themselves.

Illegal immigrants in good standing should be encouraged to settle in all states that have the room, with subsidies for those states.

- legal immigrant.

Or we could just not let these people enter our country to begin with.

What part of long border/impossible to secure do you not understand?

Do you want to talk to Border Patrol in Texas? They'll tell you about it.

We CAN secure a large portion of our border, which allows agents to concentrate in those areas that are harder to secure. We can also put pressure on Mexico to stop them on their side of the border. And prosecute groups like La Frontera who aid and abet illegal immigrants. If nothing else, leftists and liberals, who claim to be so compassionate, should want to to do this given the abuses women and girls suffer to get here. Funny how these abuses are ignored. It's almost like liberals and leftist are picking and choosing their outrage.

The people on the buses are just going to be walking across the bridges to border crossings so I don’t see how this is relevant. They’ve already been in federal custody. They’re not sneaking anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the size of Texas.

Look at the size of the district.



Of course Texas has the room. If they need the money, they should absolutely receive federal help. Money for every immigrant taken in.

Or we could just enforce our borders. I don’t see why Texas is expected to take in migrants but not DC.

PP you replied to. We ALL agree on that, but the border is one of the longest in the world and just impossible to secure. High walls were possibly a good idea, but you've seen how easily people can still get across, and how much of it we'd need to build and maintain. Plus, there are conservation areas there, and bodies of water.

We need to act on ALL the options we have: border enforcement is only one of our tools. Being nasty to the illegal immigrants that have been in the country for years and paid taxes is unnecessarily punitive, when we've all benefited from their labor. So the answer has to depend on which illegal immigrant we're talking about, how long they've been there and how they've comported themselves.

Illegal immigrants in good standing should be encouraged to settle in all states that have the room, with subsidies for those states.

- legal immigrant.

Or we could just not let these people enter our country to begin with.

What part of long border/impossible to secure do you not understand?

Do you want to talk to Border Patrol in Texas? They'll tell you about it.

We CAN secure a large portion of our border, which allows agents to concentrate in those areas that are harder to secure. We can also put pressure on Mexico to stop them on their side of the border. And prosecute groups like La Frontera who aid and abet illegal immigrants. If nothing else, leftists and liberals, who claim to be so compassionate, should want to to do this given the abuses women and girls suffer to get here. Funny how these abuses are ignored. It's almost like liberals and leftist are picking and choosing their outrage.

The people on the buses are just going to be walking across the bridges to border crossings so I don’t see how this is relevant. They’ve already been in federal custody. They’re not sneaking anywhere.

I'm not talking just about the buses

[Anonymous]

Immigration is the big loser for Democrats. For some reason Democrats vastly overestimate support for illegal border crossings as well as a very flawed, and gamed, asylum program. Trump literally won due to Democrat mishandling of the border and democrats are now looking to lose the midterms and next presidential election despite rising wages and good economy.