Child transferred from other class has completely changed the feeling of a classroom - wwyd?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was disruptive kid moved from another class into your daughter's? Or is the child moving into the school new?

If he was moved from another class, then they know he/she is a problem and your daughter's class is now stuck with the problem the other teacher could not handle.

+1

Isn’t this how it always goes? +1

I’m sorry OP.

[Anonymous]

SST is the same at my school. Teachers joke around with each other about the "6 more weeks" as a solution to every possible problem. Kid is throwing stuff? Put him on a behavior chart for 6 weeks. Kid is hitting/pushing/biting people? Reward him for 6 weeks when he doesn't do those things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly do you expect a public school to do? Seriously. You’re incredibly lucky your child was ever in a classroom without a student like this and also incredibly lucky there is only one. If you don’t like it, move to private.

Maybe OP can’t afford private. And she can’t just switch in March to private school. She can talk to the principal or teacher or counselor. Her child doesn’t deserve to dislike school now because one kid had to switch. Have some empathy.

Private schools don’t have disruptive kids with various disabilities? People send their problem kids to private too, behavioral problems are not just for poor people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please go talk to the teacher.
Here's the reality though. My guess is the teacher is taking "data" on the disruptive kid because no evaluation can happen for months or even years until several rounds of "RTI" or "MTSS" has been put in place. It doesn't matter how many times the teacher has to evacuate the room or whatever. Most schools are getting push back because they are referring too many kids to sped and one way to reduce the referrals is to make the interventions so consuming for the teacher, she essentially just waits the kid out til the end of the year. (Example, kid throws things in the room. Sped team meets with teacher. Tells her to take data on the incident, what precedes and follows it to find out why it is happening. 6 weeks pass. Now there's data on the why. Then the sped team suggests, "why don't you try a chart with stickers?" Teacher has to implement that for 6 weeks. Oh and by the way, this is all while meeting every other need in the classroom, teaching content, and dealing with the out of control kid. 6 weeks later, problem is not solved. "Have you tried moving his seat near you?" (Omg, no, that never occurred to me! Thank you for your wisdom because this is my first rodeo!)
And on and on and on and on.

However, when OTHER parents complain, sometimes this speeds up the process. The school probably won't listen to anything the teacher says.

Good luck. I'm sorry this is happening to your daughter. I'm always very worried about how one or two kids can affect every single other child in the room in major and negative ways.

This. As a school administrator myself, I encourage you to talk to your daughter's teacher and also her principal. School divisions respond to squeaky wheels. Make your wheels squeak LOUD. Other parents may decide to do the same thing.

I want to say this gently but also sternly: please do not gossip about this child to other parents or make idle conversation about the child or speculate. If you're asked, you can say that you did speak to the principal because your daughter has had some upsetting days recently and you wanted to get more information and discuss it but do NOT verbally attack this other child. You do that, and I will never hear what you're saying. Children aren't born bad and they usually aren't bad on purpose. The other child needs as much love as yours does. So, sure, stick up for your daughter's right to be in a calm and stress-free, happy environment but don't pin the tail on the other kid. That isn't fair.

[Anonymous]

OP, if you talk the school about it, most likely nothing will change. If it does, the solution will most likely be to move your child out of their current class to a different grade level class of the school's choosing. Would the latter be an acceptable solution for you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this child bullying her? If not, she needs to toughen up.

Seems like the child is bullying the entire class. Also seems like the child isn't being served either.

If the child has some type of disability they are not bullying the class, they are unable to control themselves and that leads to disruptions to the class. I get that people are worried about all the students in the class but try not to be so callous as to not understand that most kids do not want to disrupt everything around them. Whatever is happening, it is likely that the child is struggling with dysregulation and needs help. It is scary for the other kids but it is not intentional.

The posters who are suggesting that the child was moved to a different class as part as the schools process to evaluate and record what is happening so that the school can move the child to a more appropriate environment are probably spot on. It is not as simple as noting some behaviors and moving a kid, there is an entire process. It is a pain in the butt for the student, the classmates, the Teachers, and the Administration.

And it sucks for the OPs kid. which is why the OP emailing the Teacher with a message about how her child's education is impacted is important. It gives the Teacher additional info to provide the Administration about the child's impact and can help the process along. But the email needs to focus on the experience of the OPs child, her responses to the disruptions, and stay neutral on the other child.

It sucks for all. It really does. OP should be focused on her kid and is doing the right thing but there is no reason for adults to be referring to a kid who is out of control for god knows what reason as a bully and assuming that the disruptive child wants to be behaving like this.

If the other kids are experiencing this child as a bully, then bullying is taking place. This is not exclusive of the child have some neurological or emotional disability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please go talk to the teacher.
Here's the reality though. My guess is the teacher is taking "data" on the disruptive kid because no evaluation can happen for months or even years until several rounds of "RTI" or "MTSS" has been put in place. It doesn't matter how many times the teacher has to evacuate the room or whatever. Most schools are getting push back because they are referring too many kids to sped and one way to reduce the referrals is to make the interventions so consuming for the teacher, she essentially just waits the kid out til the end of the year. (Example, kid throws things in the room. Sped team meets with teacher. Tells her to take data on the incident, what precedes and follows it to find out why it is happening. 6 weeks pass. Now there's data on the why. Then the sped team suggests, "why don't you try a chart with stickers?" Teacher has to implement that for 6 weeks. Oh and by the way, this is all while meeting every other need in the classroom, teaching content, and dealing with the out of control kid. 6 weeks later, problem is not solved. "Have you tried moving his seat near you?" (Omg, no, that never occurred to me! Thank you for your wisdom because this is my first rodeo!)
And on and on and on and on.

However, when OTHER parents complain, sometimes this speeds up the process. The school probably won't listen to anything the teacher says.

Good luck. I'm sorry this is happening to your daughter. I'm always very worried about how one or two kids can affect every single other child in the room in major and negative ways.

Wow - as a teacher this is really disheartening to read because it's exactly how things seem to run at my school with the "student support team" that is completely unhelpful. I thought we were unique. My grade level team is going through this right now.

Unfortunately there are no magic wands at magically fix children

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please go talk to the teacher.
Here's the reality though. My guess is the teacher is taking "data" on the disruptive kid because no evaluation can happen for months or even years until several rounds of "RTI" or "MTSS" has been put in place. It doesn't matter how many times the teacher has to evacuate the room or whatever. Most schools are getting push back because they are referring too many kids to sped and one way to reduce the referrals is to make the interventions so consuming for the teacher, she essentially just waits the kid out til the end of the year. (Example, kid throws things in the room. Sped team meets with teacher. Tells her to take data on the incident, what precedes and follows it to find out why it is happening. 6 weeks pass. Now there's data on the why. Then the sped team suggests, "why don't you try a chart with stickers?" Teacher has to implement that for 6 weeks. Oh and by the way, this is all while meeting every other need in the classroom, teaching content, and dealing with the out of control kid. 6 weeks later, problem is not solved. "Have you tried moving his seat near you?" (Omg, no, that never occurred to me! Thank you for your wisdom because this is my first rodeo!)
And on and on and on and on.

However, when OTHER parents complain, sometimes this speeds up the process. The school probably won't listen to anything the teacher says.

Good luck. I'm sorry this is happening to your daughter. I'm always very worried about how one or two kids can affect every single other child in the room in major and negative ways.

Wow - as a teacher this is really disheartening to read because it's exactly how things seem to run at my school with the "student support team" that is completely unhelpful. I thought we were unique. My grade level team is going through this right now.

Unfortunately there are no magic wands at magically fix children

Oh no! The issue is that gen ed teachers need ACTUAL help in the form of BODIES IN THE ROOM. It is not that the sped team can't come up with the right solution. I suspect it is because they are being told to not help in the room. I think most of the sped team wants to truly help but is not allowed to. The system is screwed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this child bullying her? If not, she needs to toughen up.

Seems like the child is bullying the entire class. Also seems like the child isn't being served either.

If the child has some type of disability they are not bullying the class, they are unable to control themselves and that leads to disruptions to the class. I get that people are worried about all the students in the class but try not to be so callous as to not understand that most kids do not want to disrupt everything around them. Whatever is happening, it is likely that the child is struggling with dysregulation and needs help. It is scary for the other kids but it is not intentional.

The posters who are suggesting that the child was moved to a different class as part as the schools process to evaluate and record what is happening so that the school can move the child to a more appropriate environment are probably spot on. It is not as simple as noting some behaviors and moving a kid, there is an entire process. It is a pain in the butt for the student, the classmates, the Teachers, and the Administration.

And it sucks for the OPs kid. which is why the OP emailing the Teacher with a message about how her child's education is impacted is important. It gives the Teacher additional info to provide the Administration about the child's impact and can help the process along. But the email needs to focus on the experience of the OPs child, her responses to the disruptions, and stay neutral on the other child.

It sucks for all. It really does. OP should be focused on her kid and is doing the right thing but there is no reason for adults to be referring to a kid who is out of control for god knows what reason as a bully and assuming that the disruptive child wants to be behaving like this.

While I have a lot of sympathy for the child, I have a child who was a victim of one of these children regularly. My child goes to the nurse at least once/month for injuries from the child in his class. My child has been hit in the head by books, has been strangled because he checked out a book at the library that the other child wanted and the child strangled him to make him give up the book. My child has been bled from having a chair thrown at him that hit him in the head. My child has been kicked and has had black and blue bruises from this child.

While the school must serve them, I do expect the school to protect my child from this I spoke with the teacher on a number of occasions and the teachers have finally moved my child to the opposite side of the room from the disruptive child. At least now, he no longer comes home injured on a regular basis.

OP--you need to get your child's teacher involved and you need to explain the effect that the migrated student is having. While the teacher cannot move the child out of the class, they can and should do what they can to insulate the other children from the migrated student where possible. Perhaps just moving the children so that your child is sitting on the opposite side of class will help her if the disruptive child is not near by. But, you need to involve the teacher so they can do what is within their power to help as many children in the class as possible. But the parents need to communicate with the teacher so the teacher knows which children need more help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this child bullying her? If not, she needs to toughen up.

Seems like the child is bullying the entire class. Also seems like the child isn't being served either.

If the child has some type of disability they are not bullying the class, they are unable to control themselves and that leads to disruptions to the class. I get that people are worried about all the students in the class but try not to be so callous as to not understand that most kids do not want to disrupt everything around them. Whatever is happening, it is likely that the child is struggling with dysregulation and needs help. It is scary for the other kids but it is not intentional.

The posters who are suggesting that the child was moved to a different class as part as the schools process to evaluate and record what is happening so that the school can move the child to a more appropriate environment are probably spot on. It is not as simple as noting some behaviors and moving a kid, there is an entire process. It is a pain in the butt for the student, the classmates, the Teachers, and the Administration.

And it sucks for the OPs kid. which is why the OP emailing the Teacher with a message about how her child's education is impacted is important. It gives the Teacher additional info to provide the Administration about the child's impact and can help the process along. But the email needs to focus on the experience of the OPs child, her responses to the disruptions, and stay neutral on the other child.

It sucks for all. It really does. OP should be focused on her kid and is doing the right thing but there is no reason for adults to be referring to a kid who is out of control for god knows what reason as a bully and assuming that the disruptive child wants to be behaving like this.

While I have a lot of sympathy for the child, I have a child who was a victim of one of these children regularly. My child goes to the nurse at least once/month for injuries from the child in his class. My child has been hit in the head by books, has been strangled because he checked out a book at the library that the other child wanted and the child strangled him to make him give up the book. My child has been bled from having a chair thrown at him that hit him in the head. My child has been kicked and has had black and blue bruises from this child.

While the school must serve them, I do expect the school to protect my child from this I spoke with the teacher on a number of occasions and the teachers have finally moved my child to the opposite side of the room from the disruptive child. At least now, he no longer comes home injured on a regular basis.

OP--you need to get your child's teacher involved and you need to explain the effect that the migrated student is having. While the teacher cannot move the child out of the class, they can and should do what they can to insulate the other children from the migrated student where possible. Perhaps just moving the children so that your child is sitting on the opposite side of class will help her if the disruptive child is not near by. But, you need to involve the teacher so they can do what is within their power to help as many children in the class as possible. But the parents need to communicate with the teacher so the teacher knows which children need more help.

Wow PP, that is awful. You should have filed a police report each and every time your child was injured.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this child bullying her? If not, she needs to toughen up.

Seems like the child is bullying the entire class. Also seems like the child isn't being served either.

If the child has some type of disability they are not bullying the class, they are unable to control themselves and that leads to disruptions to the class. I get that people are worried about all the students in the class but try not to be so callous as to not understand that most kids do not want to disrupt everything around them. Whatever is happening, it is likely that the child is struggling with dysregulation and needs help. It is scary for the other kids but it is not intentional.

The posters who are suggesting that the child was moved to a different class as part as the schools process to evaluate and record what is happening so that the school can move the child to a more appropriate environment are probably spot on. It is not as simple as noting some behaviors and moving a kid, there is an entire process. It is a pain in the butt for the student, the classmates, the Teachers, and the Administration.

And it sucks for the OPs kid. which is why the OP emailing the Teacher with a message about how her child's education is impacted is important. It gives the Teacher additional info to provide the Administration about the child's impact and can help the process along. But the email needs to focus on the experience of the OPs child, her responses to the disruptions, and stay neutral on the other child.

It sucks for all. It really does. OP should be focused on her kid and is doing the right thing but there is no reason for adults to be referring to a kid who is out of control for god knows what reason as a bully and assuming that the disruptive child wants to be behaving like this.

While I have a lot of sympathy for the child, I have a child who was a victim of one of these children regularly. My child goes to the nurse at least once/month for injuries from the child in his class. My child has been hit in the head by books, has been strangled because he checked out a book at the library that the other child wanted and the child strangled him to make him give up the book. My child has been bled from having a chair thrown at him that hit him in the head. My child has been kicked and has had black and blue bruises from this child.

While the school must serve them, I do expect the school to protect my child from this I spoke with the teacher on a number of occasions and the teachers have finally moved my child to the opposite side of the room from the disruptive child. At least now, he no longer comes home injured on a regular basis.

OP--you need to get your child's teacher involved and you need to explain the effect that the migrated student is having. While the teacher cannot move the child out of the class, they can and should do what they can to insulate the other children from the migrated student where possible. Perhaps just moving the children so that your child is sitting on the opposite side of class will help her if the disruptive child is not near by. But, you need to involve the teacher so they can do what is within their power to help as many children in the class as possible. But the parents need to communicate with the teacher so the teacher knows which children need more help.

100% Your child should not be in danger and should not be hurt.

I just think that bullying is an intentional act and not the act of a child that is suffering from a disability or illness or issue that is causing dysregulation. Many of the extreme cases of kids out of control are not deliberate. I don’t expect the kids to get that but I would hope that adults can see it while advocating for their kid.

The disruptive child needs to be in a different environment. It is awful for everyone when the child is acting out. It is bad for all the kids in the class whose education is being interrupted. It is worse the kids who are hurt. You have every right to expect your child is protected.

OP should be communicating with the Teacher and Principal whenever there is an issue. 100%

I know people who want their kid moved and the school has been slow in making the move because they have to have enough documentation to justify the moved. It killed one person I know because they were getting reports home from the school everyday that 1-2 pages long with what happened in the class. All they wanted was their child moved to the appropriate location so they could start addressing the problem. The school took an extra month to make the move so they had a full report to justify the move. And that is a case where the parents support the move and are asking for it.

Not every parent can afford SN school and if the child is not in school they can not develop a file to move the kid. It sucks for everyone. It is not a satisfactory situation.

[Anonymous]

Just wanted to share that this child clearly has needs that the school isn't meeting. Be kind. That said, OP, complaining will let them know that this current placement is not int the best interest of that other child. She needs a special school, special program, significant learning supports; something.

Your teacher and child are suffering b/c the admin aren't giving the moved child what she needs and is entitled to by law. I do hate that phrase but it's one of our few entitlements. (public education)

[Anonymous]

Also, my SN kid was bloodied and bullied by those without learning disabilities. I blame the school admin. Not the teacher, the bullies or the other kids' parents.

OP Sometimes we are more productive advocates for our wishes if they fulfill somebody else's needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another perspective here. I'm sure this must be hard for your daughter, but it's also a chance for her to gain some resilience. Camps, playgrounds, and other activities outside of school will have situations like this with disruptive kids, and it would be good for her to learn to tolerate it. Caveat - if this kid is hurting her in some way, that's obviously unacceptable, and needs to stop and be addressed. But it sounds like that's not the issue here.

Two strategies: one, you can reassure your daughter that she can do hard things, like tolerate this kind of disruption; and two, a little empathy. You can give her the perspective that while she experiences this as a periodic disruption to her classroom, this kid is living with a disruption inside of him or her all the time, and he or she is struggling. You can tell her that she is lucky that her mind and body is peaceful most of the time, because his or hers clearly is not.

Just my 2 cents on the situation, and I agree that it will help get this kid what he or she needs if you 1) talk to the teacher and 2) talk to the administration.

💯 this. -a teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to share that this child clearly has needs that the school isn't meeting. Be kind. That said, OP, complaining will let them know that this current placement is not int the best interest of that other child. She needs a special school, special program, significant learning supports; something.

Your teacher and child are suffering b/c the admin aren't giving the moved child what she needs and is entitled to by law. I do hate that phrase but it's one of our few entitlements. (public education)

For this you will need to push for more mental health funding. Mental health and MTSS teams in DCPS are overwhelmed. One disruptive child can tank a classroom. This is a larger societal issue that is affecting all other members of the classroom. It’s an awful situation but it can improve. Sometimes the child’s parents are the roadblock, whether by denying the problem or genuinely not recognizing it or caring to act responsibly. There is only so much schools and admin can do.