MCPS magnet admission process should be sued following the lead from Virginia
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Anonymous
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I'm really tired of you people thinking you are so liberal and open minded but thinking it's okay that it's okay to bash Asian Americans, assume that their children are stupid but rich and only get ahead due to sneaky things like prepping.
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Anonymous
The next state of the litigation is likely going to be a motion for summary judgment after more discovery. The standard for summary judgement is that there is no reasonable interpretation of facts such that the other side could prevail at trial. If MCPS does not change its position that it is not sure whether or not it will return to the "old" pre-lottery system after the pandemic (maybe as early as next year), the case will proceed to trial. There are enough facts to support a race-based decision making process already on the record. Likelihood of proceeding to trial heightened depending on outcome of Supreme Court Harvard case. |
Anonymous
You are being disingenuous when you claim it's not about "skin color" when the majority of people on here who are fine with discriminatory practices claim that Asian Americans students get in because they "prep" and go to Dr Li's classes. So, answer the question: Why does a kid who didn't try hard to get in deserve to get in anymore than a kid who did try hard to get in? A student who not only shows academic talent but who tries hard should actually be more challenged than a kid who doesn't want to try hard. My kid is in a team sport, but isn't good at it, but doesn't want to practice to get better. Yesterday, my kid didn't get to play a whole lot and complained about it. I told DC that if they wanted more playing time they need to show that they are trying hard and need to practice more. Silence. Why should my DC get more playing time if DC isn't wiling to put in the effort? I apply that to all areas in life. Why should you get anything if you aren't willing to work for it? I grew up lower income to immigrant parents and had to work for everything I have. Sure, it would be awesome if MCPS could open more seats to magnets, but MCPS isn't doing that. What they are doing, and what many so-called progressive liberals are supporting, is using a policy that disadvantages one group over another. And frankly, the same groups that MCPS and uber liberals are trying to push into magnets have a large achievement gap. No amount of pushing the kids to magents is going to close that gap. MCPS and uber liberals should focus on closing the achievement gap rather than raising URM representation in magnets by a couple of percentage points. And if you say, "These kids aren't a monolith, they should be treated as individuals".. blah blah blah, well then you're a hypocrite because you seem to have no problem treating all Asian Americans as a monolith. |
Anonymous
PP, I hear you. These days, on this board and in life, I feel that parents only care about the effects on their own children. Communications are strategy to benefit themselves over anyone else. In these circumstances we should be able to look to MCPS to make the fair decisions that parents can't. Unfortunately, they have been extremely focused on race for many years. Providing opportunity for the less fortunate should not mean bumping anyone who is hardworking and deserving out. The practice of substituting one race for another for coveted slots creates racial tensions where none previously existed. |
Anonymous
I personally refuse to actually find out the litigation status because I have better things to do, but I would presume that it has already survived the 12(b)(6) dismissal motion? Motion for summary judgment would come after iirc. |
Anonymous
Your assumption that you know which kids "try hard" and which kids do not is ridiculous. |
Anonymous
Yes, Judge Xinis's opinion denying 12(b)(6) upthread |
Anonymous
+1. The PP is assuming that students who aren’t in the 99 percentile didn’t try hard to get in. It’s likely they tried hard but didn’t have the resources (parents, tutoring money, etc) or guidance to know how to get those few extra percentile points. Or maybe the students are not even aware that such a magnet program exists and what the admission criteria are. Obviously students who receive skilled coaching are at an advantage. To the poster who said that the Asian kids weren’t in a prep class - prepping does not only occur in a paid prep class: prepping can occur at home. IMO most of these 99 percentile kids receive enrichment outside of school … something 3rd and 5th graders would unlikely know to do on their own. A lottery for the 80 percentile and above does not assume that Asians are a monolith. The PP is also making a false dichotomy assumption that MCPS cannot both work on closing the achievement gap while also making sure magnet opportunities are not limited to those with the resources to enable their children to reach a certain percentile to get into magnet programs. Again my kids are 99 percentile students. If I was only thinking about my own children, I might want to advocate for the lottery to be only for the 99 percentile, but I do think the solution MCPS has come up with for limited spaces seems reasonable. |
Anonymous
+1 How do you know which kids are trying hard? And just because you value hard work does not mean it should be or will be part of the criteria for determining enrichment/acceleration. I would personally argue if a kid has to work super hard, maybe he or she is inherently less gifted than the child who understands concepts with ease. |
Anonymous
so much bs |
Anonymous
And many people's assumption that Asian American students prep and go to Dr Li's tutoring is also ridiculous, and frankly, racist. But, I'm sure you think it's ok to make those assumptions because they are the wrong skin color to be treated with kid gloves. Even if they don't go to "prep" classes, you say that they are still receiving "enrichment". By that do you mean parents who take their kids to the library, which is free? We used to go to the public library A LOT when my kids were younger, and most of the time, the majority of kids in there were Asian Americans. Last I checked, the public library was open to anyone. MCPS can't seem to walk and chew gum at the same time, and the wide achievement gap is more of a stain and shame on MCPS than the low % of URM students in magnets. So, they really ought to spend their money and energy closing that gap, which is widening, rather than spending that effort, time, money or increasing that URM participation by single digit % point. The false dichotomy is when MCPS lauds the overall high SAT scores and participation of the student body, then tries to punish the students who "prep" and "tutor" to get high test scores. |
Anonymous
I would argue that magnets are very challenging, and pushing a kid who isn't willing to try hard is setting that kid up for failure. I have seen it happen. If you don't think students should have to try hard in a challenging program, then that challenging program is useless. |
Anonymous
Why are you assuming I’m speaking about Asian American students? And who is this Dr Li person that you keep mentioning - is this a product placement ad? I’m saying people who get 99 percentile (which may or may not include Asian Americans) usually got enrichment outside of school. To limit lottery to 99 percentile would exclude highly able but less resourced students. You need to brush up on logic and learn what ‘false dichotomy’ means because how you use the term in your closing statement doesn’t make sense. But to address the point you make - to open opportunity does not mean MCPS is ‘punishing’ students who did not get selected in the lottery. When you play the lottery, if you lose, is the lottery punishing you? |
Anonymous
100 |
Anonymous
That said, hard work beats talent every time. Always has, Always will. |