MCPS magnet admission process should be sued following the lead from Virginia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't a group already sue MCPS because of the MS magnet changes? MCPS didn't change the HS process.

Yes there is a law suit pending in the federal district court. https://casetext.com/case/assn-for-educ-fairness-v-montgomery-cnty-bd-of-educ

I heard that was dismissed when they switched to a lottery.

[Anonymous]

Isn’t it hypocritical that Dr. McKnight wants a racial discrimination survey when magnet selection process clearly discriminates on the basis of race?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virginia judge finds that the new admission policies at TJ high school are discriminatory. MCPS adopted the similar policies. Time to sue MCPS.

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2022/02/judge-new-...echnology-school-discriminate/

It's likely this will be overturned shortly.

It probably won’t because the central issue is a finding of fact that the school Board were open and clear about wanting to reduce Asian enrollment while increasing Black and Hispanic enrollment.

First, because the ruling is based on a finding of fact, it would require FCPS to obtain De Novo review up appeal which is unlikely.

Second, the finding of law is very straight forward and so would be the remedy. FCPS doesn’t have to be concerned about outcomes that disparately affect Asian students but they are required to have a race neutral process. As a result, the court would allow them to redesign their entrance policies so long as they can be facially neutral, meaning that they just cannot say openly that it is for this specific outcome that targets race.

[Anonymous]

Considering space limitations, MCPS's magnet admissions seems reasonable. Students testing above 80th percentile are highly able, and they are entered in the lottery.

MCPS should also expand accelerated programs, and should have accelerated programs in 2nd and 3rd grade as well. My 2nd grader is 99 percentile and very bored in class which is too repetitive and unchallenging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Didn't a group already sue MCPS because of the MS magnet changes? MCPS didn't change the HS process.

Yes there is a law suit pending in the federal district court. https://casetext.com/case/assn-for-educ-fairness-v-montgomery-cnty-bd-of-educ

This case refers to middle school magnet admissions, correct? I thought it was dismissed because Moco switched to a lottery during the pandemic.

Read the first paragraph of the linked opinion. It was not dismissed.

The lawsuit is still pending but there are some open questions that would need to be adjudicated.

MCPS will probably file to dismiss and claim that it’s moot and that the claimants no longer have an injury for which there is a remedy.

In that scenario, the judge could agree with MCPS or allow discovery to proceed and a hearing in order to confirm those claims.

I for one hope that it gets at least that far such that there will be further public disclosure about this lottery process that they have been pointedly secretive about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Considering space limitations, MCPS's magnet admissions seems reasonable. Students testing above 80th percentile are highly able, and they are entered in the lottery.

MCPS should also expand accelerated programs, and should have accelerated programs in 2nd and 3rd grade as well. My 2nd grader is 99 percentile and very bored in class which is too repetitive and unchallenging.

And the odds are that your 99 percentile kid won’t be selected in the lottery and will be bored at their home school through 5th and if not until 9th.

Also, the “space limitation” is unjustified rationing. It incurs no additional cost, or if any it’s marginal at best, to open more CES or MS application magnet programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Considering space limitations, MCPS's magnet admissions seems reasonable. Students testing above 80th percentile are highly able, and they are entered in the lottery.

MCPS should also expand accelerated programs, and should have accelerated programs in 2nd and 3rd grade as well. My 2nd grader is 99 percentile and very bored in class which is too repetitive and unchallenging.

And the odds are that your 99 percentile kid won’t be selected in the lottery and will be bored at their home school through 5th and if not until 9th.

Also, the “space limitation” is unjustified rationing. It incurs no additional cost, or if any it’s marginal at best, to open more CES or MS application magnet programs.

That's why I said they should expand the accelerated programs. Maybe reshuffle or add teachers to make it happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Considering space limitations, MCPS's magnet admissions seems reasonable. Students testing above 80th percentile are highly able, and they are entered in the lottery.

MCPS should also expand accelerated programs, and should have accelerated programs in 2nd and 3rd grade as well. My 2nd grader is 99 percentile and very bored in class which is too repetitive and unchallenging.

And the odds are that your 99 percentile kid won’t be selected in the lottery and will be bored at their home school through 5th and if not until 9th.

Also, the “space limitation” is unjustified rationing. It incurs no additional cost, or if any it’s marginal at best, to open more CES or MS application magnet programs.

That's why I said they should expand the accelerated programs. Maybe reshuffle or add teachers to make it happen.

You realize they won’t do it because it would undo the racial balancing effect of the lottery. Right?

That’s the whole point of maintaining the forced rationing.

Also, if MCPS validated that every kid above a certain threshold qualified for enriched instruction it would imperil their local norming thumb on the scale. Because it would need to be objectively based and not subjective.

[Anonymous]

The point is to give highly able kids the opportunity for enrichment. Many of the highest performing kids already had that, which is why they were high in performance. But, what if the kids who didn't have A++ and Dr. Li and parents who were in academia, kids who demonstrated they were gifted and highly able but who didn't have the enrichment that some kids already had, what if these kids were able to get in? Frankly, this county needs more seats. But, parents who enrich have got to stop assuming their kid "deserves" a magnet space more than a kid who scored a few points below. Lottery + threshold is not ideal but the best way to accomplish that I suppose.

[Anonymous]

Same lawyers as the MCPS case that someone already posted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point is to give highly able kids the opportunity for enrichment. Many of the highest performing kids already had that, which is why they were high in performance. But, what if the kids who didn't have A++ and Dr. Li and parents who were in academia, kids who demonstrated they were gifted and highly able but who didn't have the enrichment that some kids already had, what if these kids were able to get in? Frankly, this county needs more seats. But, parents who enrich have got to stop assuming their kid "deserves" a magnet space more than a kid who scored a few points below. Lottery + threshold is not ideal but the best way to accomplish that I suppose.

The assumptions, which are wrong, rooted in anti-Asian racism in this post which reflects the ideology behind the lottery system is why I hope the lawsuit prevails.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point is to give highly able kids the opportunity for enrichment. Many of the highest performing kids already had that, which is why they were high in performance. But, what if the kids who didn't have A++ and Dr. Li and parents who were in academia, kids who demonstrated they were gifted and highly able but who didn't have the enrichment that some kids already had, what if these kids were able to get in? Frankly, this county needs more seats. But, parents who enrich have got to stop assuming their kid "deserves" a magnet space more than a kid who scored a few points below. Lottery + threshold is not ideal but the best way to accomplish that I suppose.

Why does a kid who didn't try hard to get in deserve to get in anymore than a kid who did try hard to get in? Also, not every kid who got in went to Dr Li's. Should they be penalized because of their skin color being associated with "prepping"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point is to give highly able kids the opportunity for enrichment. Many of the highest performing kids already had that, which is why they were high in performance. But, what if the kids who didn't have A++ and Dr. Li and parents who were in academia, kids who demonstrated they were gifted and highly able but who didn't have the enrichment that some kids already had, what if these kids were able to get in? Frankly, this county needs more seats. But, parents who enrich have got to stop assuming their kid "deserves" a magnet space more than a kid who scored a few points below. Lottery + threshold is not ideal but the best way to accomplish that I suppose.

Why does a kid who didn't try hard to get in deserve to get in anymore than a kid who did try hard to get in? Also, not every kid who got in went to Dr Li's. Should they be penalized because of their skin color being associated with "prepping"?

I can tell you that during the brief window when MCPS did universal screening using the Cogat (right before the lottery) the kids who got in from our school who were Asian-American were the ones that were not in the prep classes. FWIW, there are plenty of non-Asian kids in the prep classes and no they did not get in either.

I think there is one poster on this board who is really bitter and racist and keeps posting the same thing in all these threads because her child did not get in and she can't fathom that maybe her child just didn't get in because there were other kids with higher ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point is to give highly able kids the opportunity for enrichment. Many of the highest performing kids already had that, which is why they were high in performance. But, what if the kids who didn't have A++ and Dr. Li and parents who were in academia, kids who demonstrated they were gifted and highly able but who didn't have the enrichment that some kids already had, what if these kids were able to get in? Frankly, this county needs more seats. But, parents who enrich have got to stop assuming their kid "deserves" a magnet space more than a kid who scored a few points below. Lottery + threshold is not ideal but the best way to accomplish that I suppose.

Why does a kid who didn't try hard to get in deserve to get in anymore than a kid who did try hard to get in? Also, not every kid who got in went to Dr Li's. Should they be penalized because of their skin color being associated with "prepping"?

The PP made a valid point. I don't know why you're bringing up "skin color."

[Anonymous]

Not that PP but are you kidding? Do you not understand how racism works?