CCL/ECNL Merger

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suburban Friendship League is the new ODSL.

Suburban Friendship League is great and well-run and enjoyed by rec teams. No need to insult them like that.

LOL -- didn't mean to insult SFL, but in the absence of ODSL, SFL is the fill-in. SFL will be the option for at least one club that has any NEW parent/volunteer-led teams forming out of the rec pools who want some kind of travel option and ability to have their own team/players but don't want to join the academy.

[Anonymous]

I've also heard that this is happening from a few different people connected to different clubs.

[Anonymous]

So tell me buddy what's going to happen to CCL2

[Anonymous]

Things will be structured along the lines of how Ranting Soccer Dad blogged about in the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCL and ECNL Regional League will be merging for the Fall 2022 season. Who will get in? Who will be left out is still up in the air. Sounds like everyone is leaving VYSA and heading toward US Club soccer in Virginia. NPL will be making its way back to Virginia in some capacity. 16-19 age groups will have a unique promotion and relegation platform. What clubs will be merging together next? This might be the only way to get into the RL unless you know someone as it’s never about your performance on the field. We all know that certain clubs won’t deserve the ECNL status but it’s only a matter of time until we have another new league. MLS Next, DPL, or the Im pissed off league.

Curious as to your insight to this rumor? If true it would be great as it would give majority of clubs the opportunity to play each other more often instead of having to wait for a tournament. Based on the current clubs they should be able to create a North and South division avoiding long travel for those who think it's an issue. I assume North vs South would get to play in showcase tournaments similar to what CCL does now. I like the promotion/relegation for the older age groups if true.

At this point I'm wondering why NCSL was not good enough for these clubs. Maybe not elite enough, or some parent of child wanted to flex their managment skills. Promotion/relegation is still the best way to find out which team is good enough. It takes time to reach the top, and I guess impatience can also be a factor for creating "elite" leagues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCL and ECNL Regional League will be merging for the Fall 2022 season. Who will get in? Who will be left out is still up in the air. Sounds like everyone is leaving VYSA and heading toward US Club soccer in Virginia. NPL will be making its way back to Virginia in some capacity. 16-19 age groups will have a unique promotion and relegation platform. What clubs will be merging together next? This might be the only way to get into the RL unless you know someone as it’s never about your performance on the field. We all know that certain clubs won’t deserve the ECNL status but it’s only a matter of time until we have another new league. MLS Next, DPL, or the Im pissed off league.

Curious as to your insight to this rumor? If true it would be great as it would give majority of clubs the opportunity to play each other more often instead of having to wait for a tournament. Based on the current clubs they should be able to create a North and South division avoiding long travel for those who think it's an issue. I assume North vs South would get to play in showcase tournaments similar to what CCL does now. I like the promotion/relegation for the older age groups if true.

At this point I'm wondering why NCSL was not good enough for these clubs. Maybe not elite enough, or some parent of child wanted to flex their managment skills. Promotion/relegation is still the best way to find out which team is good enough. It takes time to reach the top, and I guess impatience can also be a factor for creating "elite" leagues.

Because pro/rel doesn’t put $ in their pocket. Playing in an “elite” league is the sales pitch. The coaching can be awful, the administration can be awful, and people continue to show up and pay.

[Anonymous]

It’s an inevitable evolution in a market system. Leagues try to get bigger, become watered down and less exclusive, opening new opportunities for another league to be the more exclusive one.

ECNL expansion is a bad thing. ECNL’s draw is that it gives college exposure to all teams. If it expands too much, not all the teams can get the same exposure because events attended by college coaches are a limited resource. Some teams will grow unhappy and look for something else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s an inevitable evolution in a market system. Leagues try to get bigger, become watered down and less exclusive, opening new opportunities for another league to be the more exclusive one.

ECNL expansion is a bad thing. ECNL’s draw is that it gives college exposure to all teams. If it expands too much, not all the teams can get the same exposure because events attended by college coaches are a limited resource. Some teams will grow unhappy and look for something else.

ECNL-R is not ECNL.

The general premise of your post is true but ECNL-R can expand all it wants, and should, if overall ECNL wants Pro/Rel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an inevitable evolution in a market system. Leagues try to get bigger, become watered down and less exclusive, opening new opportunities for another league to be the more exclusive one.

ECNL expansion is a bad thing. ECNL’s draw is that it gives college exposure to all teams. If it expands too much, not all the teams can get the same exposure because events attended by college coaches are a limited resource. Some teams will grow unhappy and look for something else.

ECNL-R is not ECNL.

The general premise of your post is true but ECNL-R can expand all it wants, and should, if overall ECNL wants Pro/Rel

Lol pro/rel will never happen with the ECNL. None of the existing clubs will agree to pro/rel. ECNL is about making money, protecting clubs and keeping the u little ranks filled. It is not about competition, winning programs or development. It is not a professional league. Winning does not matter to the ECNL. There will always be first and last place teams. The colleges will take ECNL players off the first through last place teams or any other league players because they need players. It is the equivalent of Pop Warner football or little baseball.

ECNL- r sucks because it is an after thought for the ECNL clubs. ECNL club do not care about ECNL-r. It’s the second team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an inevitable evolution in a market system. Leagues try to get bigger, become watered down and less exclusive, opening new opportunities for another league to be the more exclusive one.

ECNL expansion is a bad thing. ECNL’s draw is that it gives college exposure to all teams. If it expands too much, not all the teams can get the same exposure because events attended by college coaches are a limited resource. Some teams will grow unhappy and look for something else.

ECNL-R is not ECNL.

The general premise of your post is true but ECNL-R can expand all it wants, and should, if overall ECNL wants Pro/Rel

Lol pro/rel will never happen with the ECNL. None of the existing clubs will agree to pro/rel. ECNL is about making money, protecting clubs and keeping the u little ranks filled. It is not about competition, winning programs or development. It is not a professional league. Winning does not matter to the ECNL. There will always be first and last place teams. The colleges will take ECNL players off the first through last place teams or any other league players because they need players. It is the equivalent of Pop Warner football or little baseball.

ECNL- r sucks because it is an after thought for the ECNL clubs. ECNL club do not care about ECNL-r. It’s the second team.

ECNL or ECNL-R are not professional leagues these are youth leagues. It is about the player not about the club. If you have your son playing HS football would you be demanding pro/rel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCL and ECNL Regional League will be merging for the Fall 2022 season. Who will get in? Who will be left out is still up in the air. Sounds like everyone is leaving VYSA and heading toward US Club soccer in Virginia. NPL will be making its way back to Virginia in some capacity. 16-19 age groups will have a unique promotion and relegation platform. What clubs will be merging together next? This might be the only way to get into the RL unless you know someone as it’s never about your performance on the field. We all know that certain clubs won’t deserve the ECNL status but it’s only a matter of time until we have another new league. MLS Next, DPL, or the Im pissed off league.

Curious as to your insight to this rumor? If true it would be great as it would give majority of clubs the opportunity to play each other more often instead of having to wait for a tournament. Based on the current clubs they should be able to create a North and South division avoiding long travel for those who think it's an issue. I assume North vs South would get to play in showcase tournaments similar to what CCL does now. I like the promotion/relegation for the older age groups if true.

At this point I'm wondering why NCSL was not good enough for these clubs. Maybe not elite enough, or some parent of child wanted to flex their managment skills. Promotion/relegation is still the best way to find out which team is good enough. It takes time to reach the top, and I guess impatience can also be a factor for creating "elite" leagues.

It's probably a good deal about club v club play -- on any given weekend in ECNL-R and CCL all of your club's teams are playing all of another clubs teams in the same general vicinity, making coordination of multiple kids easier for families and deconflicting games easier for clubs with coaches who coach multiple teams.

[Anonymous]

Yes and it also means that one person can coach four teams and do a really watered down job

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCL and ECNL Regional League will be merging for the Fall 2022 season. Who will get in? Who will be left out is still up in the air. Sounds like everyone is leaving VYSA and heading toward US Club soccer in Virginia. NPL will be making its way back to Virginia in some capacity. 16-19 age groups will have a unique promotion and relegation platform. What clubs will be merging together next? This might be the only way to get into the RL unless you know someone as it’s never about your performance on the field. We all know that certain clubs won’t deserve the ECNL status but it’s only a matter of time until we have another new league. MLS Next, DPL, or the Im pissed off league.

Curious as to your insight to this rumor? If true it would be great as it would give majority of clubs the opportunity to play each other more often instead of having to wait for a tournament. Based on the current clubs they should be able to create a North and South division avoiding long travel for those who think it's an issue. I assume North vs South would get to play in showcase tournaments similar to what CCL does now. I like the promotion/relegation for the older age groups if true.

At this point I'm wondering why NCSL was not good enough for these clubs. Maybe not elite enough, or some parent of child wanted to flex their managment skills. Promotion/relegation is still the best way to find out which team is good enough. It takes time to reach the top, and I guess impatience can also be a factor for creating "elite" leagues.

I think a lot of clubs really like the idea of having your club play one other club on the same day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an inevitable evolution in a market system. Leagues try to get bigger, become watered down and less exclusive, opening new opportunities for another league to be the more exclusive one.

ECNL expansion is a bad thing. ECNL’s draw is that it gives college exposure to all teams. If it expands too much, not all the teams can get the same exposure because events attended by college coaches are a limited resource. Some teams will grow unhappy and look for something else.

ECNL-R is not ECNL.

The general premise of your post is true but ECNL-R can expand all it wants, and should, if overall ECNL wants Pro/Rel

Lol pro/rel will never happen with the ECNL. None of the existing clubs will agree to pro/rel. ECNL is about making money, protecting clubs and keeping the u little ranks filled. It is not about competition, winning programs or development. It is not a professional league. Winning does not matter to the ECNL. There will always be first and last place teams. The colleges will take ECNL players off the first through last place teams or any other league players because they need players. It is the equivalent of Pop Warner football or little baseball.

ECNL- r sucks because it is an after thought for the ECNL clubs. ECNL club do not care about ECNL-r. It’s the second team.

See bolded. I have no idea what ECNL wants to do BUT if Pro/Rel is on the table at all then it requires more club participation overall. The Pro/Rel could be limited to ECNL-R and not extend into ECNL at all. BUT if ECNL wants to expand ECNL-R via moves like CCL mergers then it needs to offer Regional league clubs the carrot of earning their way into ECNL otherwise there just isn't a whole lot of reason to be nothing more than the B league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an inevitable evolution in a market system. Leagues try to get bigger, become watered down and less exclusive, opening new opportunities for another league to be the more exclusive one.

ECNL expansion is a bad thing. ECNL’s draw is that it gives college exposure to all teams. If it expands too much, not all the teams can get the same exposure because events attended by college coaches are a limited resource. Some teams will grow unhappy and look for something else.

ECNL-R is not ECNL.

The general premise of your post is true but ECNL-R can expand all it wants, and should, if overall ECNL wants Pro/Rel

Lol pro/rel will never happen with the ECNL. None of the existing clubs will agree to pro/rel. ECNL is about making money, protecting clubs and keeping the u little ranks filled. It is not about competition, winning programs or development. It is not a professional league. Winning does not matter to the ECNL. There will always be first and last place teams. The colleges will take ECNL players off the first through last place teams or any other league players because they need players. It is the equivalent of Pop Warner football or little baseball.

ECNL- r sucks because it is an after thought for the ECNL clubs. ECNL club do not care about ECNL-r. It’s the second team.

See bolded. I have no idea what ECNL wants to do BUT if Pro/Rel is on the table at all then it requires more club participation overall. The Pro/Rel could be limited to ECNL-R and not extend into ECNL at all. BUT if ECNL wants to expand ECNL-R via moves like CCL mergers then it needs to offer Regional league clubs the carrot of earning their way into ECNL otherwise there just isn't a whole lot of reason to be nothing more than the B league.

1 B League is probably better than 2 B Leagues (ECNL R and CCL)