***BOYS*** Bethesda Premier Cup 2021

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent in the 05 age group, I find many of the placements baffling. I think Bethesda being an MLS Next club placed many MLS Next teams higher than they should have been and made a point to place ECNL teams lower. ECNL teams that (btw) have beat many of the MLS Next teams in tournaments/scrimmages and are highly ranked. Also having girls, I can tell you that team placements were not all that great on the girls' side either. Lots of complaints last weekend from multiple teams, including a number that said they are done with this tournament, which is such a money grab. There are better options for the girls (NCFC) but not for the boys who are stuck with this if they want to do a November tournament/showcase.

i don't care what bracket my DS is in as long as the level of competition is strong. I only focus on how my kid does and try (try being the operative word) not to care about the results. It is tough to not focus on the wins, but it helps create a less stressful experience if I focus more on how my DS kid is developing without having to worry about how the team is playing. I know I will probably get blasted on this message board regarding that, but that is how I deal with match days. Of course the flow of the game and touches relies on the whole team, but I try not to let that bother me when things go south.

As far as the brackets go, I would have like to have seen 09 Pipeline in this tournament. A Bethesda, Pipeline matchup would have been fun to watch.

Oh, come on. It’s a tournament…it’s fun to win. Lighten up a bit.

And it would have been nice if BSC 09 had a little more competition in their bracket, but they should face either SYC’s MLS Next team, or the PPA team that has beaten them in the past in the finals.
On a crappy Muldoon’s Farm field.

No one has mentioned Paragon. Are they not consider good competition? Their 2010 team beat bsc acadamey 1 at the last tournament in October 2-0.

We’re talking about 09s here. Paragon 09 is a solid team, but I’d be shocked if they give BSC any trouble.

Paragon 09 didn’t do very well in EDP this fall (https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/4877/schedules?group=27546 ) but I gather that they have a lot of U10s on the team. Even very talented technical kids (of whom they have many) can struggle playing 11 v 11 against kids a year older. If their younger team did beat BSC’s top 09 team in this tournament last year, it makes more sense that Paragon was placed in the top group this year. Seems like maybe the tournament organizers just looked at results from a year ago in making placement decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent in the 05 age group, I find many of the placements baffling. I think Bethesda being an MLS Next club placed many MLS Next teams higher than they should have been and made a point to place ECNL teams lower. ECNL teams that (btw) have beat many of the MLS Next teams in tournaments/scrimmages and are highly ranked. Also having girls, I can tell you that team placements were not all that great on the girls' side either. Lots of complaints last weekend from multiple teams, including a number that said they are done with this tournament, which is such a money grab. There are better options for the girls (NCFC) but not for the boys who are stuck with this if they want to do a November tournament/showcase.

i don't care what bracket my DS is in as long as the level of competition is strong. I only focus on how my kid does and try (try being the operative word) not to care about the results. It is tough to not focus on the wins, but it helps create a less stressful experience if I focus more on how my DS kid is developing without having to worry about how the team is playing. I know I will probably get blasted on this message board regarding that, but that is how I deal with match days. Of course the flow of the game and touches relies on the whole team, but I try not to let that bother me when things go south.

As far as the brackets go, I would have like to have seen 09 Pipeline in this tournament. A Bethesda, Pipeline matchup would have been fun to watch.

Oh, come on. It’s a tournament…it’s fun to win. Lighten up a bit.

And it would have been nice if BSC 09 had a little more competition in their bracket, but they should face either SYC’s MLS Next team, or the PPA team that has beaten them in the past in the finals.
On a crappy Muldoon’s Farm field.

Bethesda lost in the state final to PPA then turned around and beat PPA in the Eastern Regionals Final.

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[quote=Anonymous]As a parent in the 05 age group, I find many of the placements baffling. I think Bethesda being an MLS Next club placed many MLS Next teams higher than they should have been and made a point to place ECNL teams lower. ECNL teams that (btw) have beat many of the MLS Next teams in tournaments/scrimmages and are highly ranked. Also having girls, I can tell you that team placements were not all that great on the girls' side either. Lots of complaints last weekend from multiple teams, including a number that said they are done with this tournament, which is such a money grab. There are better options for the girls (NCFC) but not for the boys who are stuck with this if they want to do a November tournament/showcase.[/quote]


Your complaining that your 05 child will play at a higher level in front of college coaches at a college showcase? Maybe Bethesda was trying to have teams that have not met previously play if they could set it that way.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As a parent in the 05 age group, I find many of the placements baffling. I think Bethesda being an MLS Next club placed many MLS Next teams higher than they should have been and made a point to place ECNL teams lower. ECNL teams that (btw) have beat many of the MLS Next teams in tournaments/scrimmages and are highly ranked. Also having girls, I can tell you that team placements were not all that great on the girls' side either. Lots of complaints last weekend from multiple teams, including a number that said they are done with this tournament, which is such a money grab. There are better options for the girls (NCFC) but not for the boys who are stuck with this if they want to do a November tournament/showcase.[/quote]


Your complaining that your 05 child will play at a higher level in front of college coaches at a college showcase? Maybe Bethesda was trying to have teams that have not met previously play if they could set it that way. [/quote]

You think Bethesda is a high level showcase?

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Anonymous wrote:Telling how BRYC 09 ECNL team is in the 4th bracket with Alexandria's second team of the same age group placed two brackets above them. Essentially, their ECNL team is a second a third team for many clubs.

This is false. Both are probably wrongly seeded. We shall see. Seedings are not results, just like college admissions are not successes. BRYC is a tad below average among the area ECNL clubs in that age group but they will get better over time. And most people would say the same thing about Arlington, VDA, Loudoun and VA Union in that age group (not second or third teams for top clubs, but not nearly on the same level as Bethesda, Pipeline, Richmond United, Achilles or SYC).

And Arlington's second team in the 09 age group (an ECNL-R team) is in the top bracket with top teams from Bethesda, PPA, Alexandria, and SYC. Arlington's top team (ECNL) is not playing in the tournament. Lots of interesting seeding choices in the U13 (09 birth year) brackets.

Arlington’s top team lost to those clubs across the board last year multiple times. Their second team is closer talent-wise to the first team than in most Arlington age groups. They aren’t a crazy first seed and will probably park the bus and try to counter. Let’s see how they do.

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Anonymous wrote:Bethesda 09's have been having a great run in MLSNext. They have not lost a game and have only given up one goal this year. That will be a tough bracket to come out of if you are not Bethesda.

I agree. PPA and some other teams will try to grab some guest players but Bethesda is by far the top team in the bracket and in MLS NExt mid Atlantic. Pipeline and Richmond are the only clubs in the vicinity who have a clear shot at beating them head to head without guests.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As a parent in the 05 age group, I find many of the placements baffling. I think Bethesda being an MLS Next club placed many MLS Next teams higher than they should have been and made a point to place ECNL teams lower. ECNL teams that (btw) have beat many of the MLS Next teams in tournaments/scrimmages and are highly ranked. Also having girls, I can tell you that team placements were not all that great on the girls' side either. Lots of complaints last weekend from multiple teams, including a number that said they are done with this tournament, which is such a money grab. There are better options for the girls (NCFC) but not for the boys who are stuck with this if they want to do a November tournament/showcase.[/quote]


Your complaining that your 05 child will play at a higher level in front of college coaches at a college showcase? Maybe Bethesda was trying to have teams that have not met previously play if they could set it that way. [/quote]

You think Bethesda is a high level showcase? [/quote]


Show me the location in the body of the comment that said (higher level showcase)

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Hahaha

Reading is fundamental. That's the problem with these posters. Read what you want it to say instead of actually reading what it really says.

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Anonymous wrote:Bethesda 09's have been having a great run in MLSNext. They have not lost a game and have only given up one goal this year. That will be a tough bracket to come out of if you are not Bethesda.

I agree. PPA and some other teams will try to grab some guest players but Bethesda is by far the top team in the bracket and in MLS NExt mid Atlantic. Pipeline and Richmond are the only clubs in the vicinity who have a clear shot at beating them head to head without guests.

PPA already has beaten them without guests.
Yes, I think Bethesda is still better, but the idea that teams are going to be scrambling for guest players is silly.

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Anonymous wrote:Bethesda 09's have been having a great run in MLSNext. They have not lost a game and have only given up one goal this year. That will be a tough bracket to come out of if you are not Bethesda.

I agree. PPA and some other teams will try to grab some guest players but Bethesda is by far the top team in the bracket and in MLS NExt mid Atlantic. Pipeline and Richmond are the only clubs in the vicinity who have a clear shot at beating them head to head without guests.

PPA already has beaten them without guests.
Yes, I think Bethesda is still better, but the idea that teams are going to be scrambling for guest players is silly.

Well it is a silly idea that PPA used in the ASIST tournament last year, and SYC used guest players in the State Cup last year, so it is pretty obvious you are either lying or not familiar with these teams or agree that grabbing guest players is silly. Or maybe all of the above. Who cares. If they don’t go and get guest players, they are going to lose to Bethesda.

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Anonymous wrote:Bethesda 09's have been having a great run in MLSNext. They have not lost a game and have only given up one goal this year. That will be a tough bracket to come out of if you are not Bethesda.

I agree. PPA and some other teams will try to grab some guest players but Bethesda is by far the top team in the bracket and in MLS NExt mid Atlantic. Pipeline and Richmond are the only clubs in the vicinity who have a clear shot at beating them head to head without guests.

PPA already has beaten them without guests.
Yes, I think Bethesda is still better, but the idea that teams are going to be scrambling for guest players is silly.

11 v 11 is a different ballgame, and BSC is literally in a different league. PPA is playing Bethesda’s second team in EDP. And lost two weeks ago. So maybe slow that roll a bit there based on what the kiddos did last year.

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Anonymous wrote:07 Top division is stacked. Will be very competitive.

It really is. USYS finalist, USYS region 2 finalist, 3 MLSNext teams, an ECNL team, MD state cup finalist. That's a good mix.

Yeah, lots of strong teams throughout this age group. Some surprising bracket placements. I think SAC is going to have a long weekend in that top bracket. Same with Valor in the 2nd division. In general, lots of ECNL teams in lower brackets. Where is Arlington?

Across the board, the placements show that nobody thinks BRYC belongs in ECNL. In every age group, they are placed BELOW Alexandria's second team and with PPA's second team. If they can't win those brackets, it's a sad state of affairs.

In the 07 age group, BRYC's ECNL team is in the same division as Baltimore Celtic's, Maryland United's, and Loudoun's ECNL teams. This happens to be the 4th division! Some local teams in the same division as these ECNL teams are LMVSC, DC Stoddert, and GFR. Local teams in higher divisions than these ECNL teams are...in the 3rd division: Coppermine, Alexandria's B team, Touch Kings (Formerly Liverpool I believe), and Freedom. In the 2nd Division: Potomac, Valor, and Bethesda's B team. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. On a side note...I know alot of people complain about tournament hosts putting their teams in in appropriately lower divisions to get wins, but Bethesda did not do this here. They have their B team in the 2nd division and it would be very easy to justify a lower division...so good for them. I am and NOT a Bethesda parent! : )

I was a little surprised to see the Bethesda 06 Blue team in the 8th bracket (out of 9). I know they struggled in EDP 1 in the spring, but that's a bit low for a second team.

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my son played with mls nets and believe me that there is not difference with the other clubs many of the clues have very good players that can compete with MLS

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Are Samba Boyz in top U10 bracket?

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Anonymous wrote:my son played with mls nets and believe me that there is not difference with the other clubs many of the clues have very good players that can compete with MLS

True for top players, but harder for their teams compete against mls next or ecnl clubs. There are many players not on ecnl and mls next teams who could play for them, but choose not to do so for many different reasons. No disagreement there at all.