Youngkin or McAuliffe

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Anonymous wrote:For those of us who aren't going to read the 156 pg thread - can you answer a few questions if you've following:

Is McAuliffe a progressive? I.e. is he trying to go the way of Bernie (or even Biden) with free everything? I know he was a good governor (though I only moved here at the end of his term) and the state since has been #1 of business many times. That to me is the most important thing - keep attracting new businesses and growing the state - EVEN IF that means you have to to give corporate tax breaks/incentives to get employers to come here. To me you'd think Youngkin's private equity background would be helpful here. But I'm also not interested in a covid denier who'll roll back vax mandates etc. (I assume he would since he's a Trump guy) - because part of a vibrant economy, is keeping it open.

I'm just less and less interested in the progressive policies, free money to individuals, diversity etc. (and no I'm not white) and more interested in economic growth because I think that lifts all ships (and I'm from a northern state where industry went away - I know how much people suffer then). Thoughts?


To answer your question - YES. Free everything.


Was he a moderate before and now progressive because he knows that's what Dems want? Or is it all talk to get the Dem votes and then he ignores those progressive promises?

What progressive promises is he making?



Dumbing down the schools in the name of equity.

Anonymous
By the time the next governor is sworn in everyone who is going to get the injection will have gotten it, willingly or because their livelihoods were threatened.

I don’t see why mandates for the won’t-prevent-you-from-contracting-or-spreading-it-but-might-permanently-damage-your-son’s-heart injection will be relevant.
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Anonymous wrote:I wish we had true moderate choices ever. I mean I have zero interest in supporting MAGA but I also have zero interest in supporting people who are Bernie lite. As progressivism grows insanely, what's considered a moderate now is still really really progressive.

This +1,000. As a former Maryland resident, I really wish VA would find its own Larry Hogan.


I'm hoping Larry Hogan makes a presidential run. IDK if there's any speculation on that or not but that's what we need - a true moderate.


Hogan is fantastic. I’d vote for him in a heartbeat.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish we had true moderate choices ever. I mean I have zero interest in supporting MAGA but I also have zero interest in supporting people who are Bernie lite. As progressivism grows insanely, what's considered a moderate now is still really really progressive.

This +1,000. As a former Maryland resident, I really wish VA would find its own Larry Hogan.


I'm hoping Larry Hogan makes a presidential run. IDK if there's any speculation on that or not but that's what we need - a true moderate.


Hogan is fantastic. I’d vote for him in a heartbeat.


Except he’d never win the nomination. The GOP base is extreme and he would need to cater to them.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish we had true moderate choices ever. I mean I have zero interest in supporting MAGA but I also have zero interest in supporting people who are Bernie lite. As progressivism grows insanely, what's considered a moderate now is still really really progressive.

This +1,000. As a former Maryland resident, I really wish VA would find its own Larry Hogan.


The string of democratic governors has been Virginia’s check on it’s Republican legislature. Similar to Hogan and Maryland legislature. The Virginia legislature, though democratic, is pretty moderate and I wouldn’t expect any extremely progressive policies.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish we had true moderate choices ever. I mean I have zero interest in supporting MAGA but I also have zero interest in supporting people who are Bernie lite. As progressivism grows insanely, what's considered a moderate now is still really really progressive.

This +1,000. As a former Maryland resident, I really wish VA would find its own Larry Hogan.


I'm hoping Larry Hogan makes a presidential run. IDK if there's any speculation on that or not but that's what we need - a true moderate.


Hogan is fantastic. I’d vote for him in a heartbeat.


Except he’d never win the nomination. The GOP base is extreme and he would need to cater to them.

At this point the country should have a third party that encompasses the center, center right, and center left. It’s absurd that someone like Larry Hogan, who I really think could win a general election, won’t get the opportunity because of the crazies that have overtaken the GOP. The Dems caught a break when Joe Biden managed to grab the nomination instead of Bernie Sanders. The whole nomination system is broken because it penalizes those the very candidates who would do best in a general election.
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McAuliffe of course. Youngkin wants a Texas-style anti-abortion law, Florida-style mask and vaccine prohibitions, and an Arizona-style election audit.

He is NOT a Larry Hogan Republican, he's a Donald Trump Republican, and Virginia's been doing fine with our Democratic governors.

BTW, I had wait in line in Arlington today to vote, so, yes, the Democrats are turning out.
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Anonymous wrote:McAuliffe of course. Youngkin wants a Texas-style anti-abortion law, Florida-style mask and vaccine prohibitions, and an Arizona-style election audit.

He is NOT a Larry Hogan Republican, he's a Donald Trump Republican, and Virginia's been doing fine with our Democratic governors.

BTW, I had wait in line in Arlington today to vote, so, yes, the Democrats are turning out.


Just stop with your crazy fear-mongering and outright lies. Youngkin has been clear that he does NOT want a Texas-style anti-abortion law.

On abortion, Youngkin said he would "not sign the Texas bill" that bans most abortions after as early as six weeks into pregnancy, calling the law "unworkable and confusing" and noting it doesn't contain the exceptions he supports. The Texas law does not include exceptions for rape or incest, although there is an exemption for "medical emergencies."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/16/politics/mcauliffe-youngkin-virginia-governor-debate/index.html

As for calling for an election audit, I'm all for it. Of course there should be an audit - after every single election. Why shouldn't there be?

“As Glenn Youngkin said in February, he believes audits are a best practice when it comes to administering elections — just as audits are a routine best practice in the business world — and he will ensure Virginia continues to conduct audits going forward and that they are thorough, efficient, and accurate,” Youngkin spokesperson Matt Wolking said in a statement. “Obviously Terry McAuliffe opposes requiring a photo ID to vote, but if he does not support routine audits, updating the voter rolls regularly, verifying mail-in ballots and other election best practices identified by bipartisan experts, he should be clear with Virginians about where he stands.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/youngkin-continues-call-for-audit-of-election-machines-in-virginia/ar-AAPaGrk

And finally, Youngkin is very much pro-vaccine - he simply is against mandates. I'm fully vaccinated and agree with him, and am also against mask mandates.
Anonymous
Isn't there currently a photo ID requirement for voting in Va anyway? I looked on the Arlington County registrar's website to figure out early voting and it said bring a photo ID. I mean I'm all for it, I don't buy the whole - poor people don't have ID - BS. But IDK that we need Youngkin for that, we already have it.
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There is already a thread for this. Why doesn’t Jeff consolidate it with the first one like he does with every other repetitive thread?

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Anonymous wrote:McAuliffe of course. Youngkin wants a Texas-style anti-abortion law, Florida-style mask and vaccine prohibitions, and an Arizona-style election audit.

He is NOT a Larry Hogan Republican, he's a Donald Trump Republican, and Virginia's been doing fine with our Democratic governors.

BTW, I had wait in line in Arlington today to vote, so, yes, the Democrats are turning out.


Just stop with your crazy fear-mongering and outright lies. Youngkin has been clear that he does NOT want a Texas-style anti-abortion law.

On abortion, Youngkin said he would "not sign the Texas bill" that bans most abortions after as early as six weeks into pregnancy, calling the law "unworkable and confusing" and noting it doesn't contain the exceptions he supports. The Texas law does not include exceptions for rape or incest, although there is an exemption for "medical emergencies."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/16/politics/mcauliffe-youngkin-virginia-governor-debate/index.html

As for calling for an election audit, I'm all for it. Of course there should be an audit - after every single election. Why shouldn't there be?

“As Glenn Youngkin said in February, he believes audits are a best practice when it comes to administering elections — just as audits are a routine best practice in the business world — and he will ensure Virginia continues to conduct audits going forward and that they are thorough, efficient, and accurate,” Youngkin spokesperson Matt Wolking said in a statement. “Obviously Terry McAuliffe opposes requiring a photo ID to vote, but if he does not support routine audits, updating the voter rolls regularly, verifying mail-in ballots and other election best practices identified by bipartisan experts, he should be clear with Virginians about where he stands.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/youngkin-continues-call-for-audit-of-election-machines-in-virginia/ar-AAPaGrk

And finally, Youngkin is very much pro-vaccine - he simply is against mandates. I'm fully vaccinated and agree with him, and am also against mask mandates.



He has been very clear that he is hiding his abortion agenda to “win his Independent votes”.



“I’m going to be really honest with you,” Mr Youngkin says. “The short answer is in this campaign, I can’t. When I’m governor and I have a majority in the House, we can start going on offense. But as a campaign topic, sadly, that in fact won’t win my independent votes that I have to get.”

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Anonymous wrote:There is already a thread for this. Why doesn’t Jeff consolidate it with the first one like he does with every other repetitive thread?



Bc no one is going to read 156 pages of people insulting each other. People on this thread are just trying to get to the bottom of issues - esp those of us who haven't followed the whole time and now are like wow there's only a week left to figure out the differences.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:McAuliffe of course. Youngkin wants a Texas-style anti-abortion law, Florida-style mask and vaccine prohibitions, and an Arizona-style election audit.

He is NOT a Larry Hogan Republican, he's a Donald Trump Republican, and Virginia's been doing fine with our Democratic governors.

BTW, I had wait in line in Arlington today to vote, so, yes, the Democrats are turning out.


Just stop with your crazy fear-mongering and outright lies. Youngkin has been clear that he does NOT want a Texas-style anti-abortion law.

On abortion, Youngkin said he would "not sign the Texas bill" that bans most abortions after as early as six weeks into pregnancy, calling the law "unworkable and confusing" and noting it doesn't contain the exceptions he supports. The Texas law does not include exceptions for rape or incest, although there is an exemption for "medical emergencies."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/16/politics/mcauliffe-youngkin-virginia-governor-debate/index.html

As for calling for an election audit, I'm all for it. Of course there should be an audit - after every single election. Why shouldn't there be?

“As Glenn Youngkin said in February, he believes audits are a best practice when it comes to administering elections — just as audits are a routine best practice in the business world — and he will ensure Virginia continues to conduct audits going forward and that they are thorough, efficient, and accurate,” Youngkin spokesperson Matt Wolking said in a statement. “Obviously Terry McAuliffe opposes requiring a photo ID to vote, but if he does not support routine audits, updating the voter rolls regularly, verifying mail-in ballots and other election best practices identified by bipartisan experts, he should be clear with Virginians about where he stands.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/youngkin-continues-call-for-audit-of-election-machines-in-virginia/ar-AAPaGrk

And finally, Youngkin is very much pro-vaccine - he simply is against mandates. I'm fully vaccinated and agree with him, and am also against mask mandates.


Virginia _already_ does an audit.

https://www.nbc12.com/2021/03/31/audit-overwhelmingly-confirms-virginias-election-results/

A statewide audit of Virginia’s 2020 election results verified President Joe Biden’s victory in the state, finding only a 0.00000065117 percent chance the state’s voting system could have produced an inaccurate outcome.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is already a thread for this. Why doesn’t Jeff consolidate it with the first one like he does with every other repetitive thread?



Bc no one is going to read 156 pages of people insulting each other. People on this thread are just trying to get to the bottom of issues - esp those of us who haven't followed the whole time and now are like wow there's only a week left to figure out the differences.


Do you honestly believe that there is a person left in the Commonwealth who doesn’t know yet who s/he will vote for? I don’t
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:McAuliffe of course. Youngkin wants a Texas-style anti-abortion law, Florida-style mask and vaccine prohibitions, and an Arizona-style election audit.

He is NOT a Larry Hogan Republican, he's a Donald Trump Republican, and Virginia's been doing fine with our Democratic governors.

BTW, I had wait in line in Arlington today to vote, so, yes, the Democrats are turning out.


Just stop with your crazy fear-mongering and outright lies. Youngkin has been clear that he does NOT want a Texas-style anti-abortion law.

On abortion, Youngkin said he would "not sign the Texas bill" that bans most abortions after as early as six weeks into pregnancy, calling the law "unworkable and confusing" and noting it doesn't contain the exceptions he supports. The Texas law does not include exceptions for rape or incest, although there is an exemption for "medical emergencies."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/16/politics/mcauliffe-youngkin-virginia-governor-debate/index.html

As for calling for an election audit, I'm all for it. Of course there should be an audit - after every single election. Why shouldn't there be?

“As Glenn Youngkin said in February, he believes audits are a best practice when it comes to administering elections — just as audits are a routine best practice in the business world — and he will ensure Virginia continues to conduct audits going forward and that they are thorough, efficient, and accurate,” Youngkin spokesperson Matt Wolking said in a statement. “Obviously Terry McAuliffe opposes requiring a photo ID to vote, but if he does not support routine audits, updating the voter rolls regularly, verifying mail-in ballots and other election best practices identified by bipartisan experts, he should be clear with Virginians about where he stands.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/youngkin-continues-call-for-audit-of-election-machines-in-virginia/ar-AAPaGrk

And finally, Youngkin is very much pro-vaccine - he simply is against mandates. I'm fully vaccinated and agree with him, and am also against mask mandates.


Virginia _already_ does an audit.

https://www.nbc12.com/2021/03/31/audit-overwhelmingly-confirms-virginias-election-results/

A statewide audit of Virginia’s 2020 election results verified President Joe Biden’s victory in the state, finding only a 0.00000065117 percent chance the state’s voting system could have produced an inaccurate outcome.


Not everywhere in the state - and not every year. And only AFTER election results have been certified. Youngkin is correct.

By the letter of a law adopted in 2018, Virginia’s post-election audit does not cover the entire state. Localities are chosen at random after the election and after results are certified. The accuracy audit then begins.

Interviews and a review of Virginia’s risk limiting audits showed 1-in-5 localities across the commonwealth have implemented the post-election assessments since 2018.

Considerable resources and training are needed to perform the examinations. Virginia localities are now required to audit their election results at least once every five years.

In an interview, Virginia Elections Commissioner Christopher E. Piper declined to comment on whether risk-limiting audits should be performed when potentially incorrect results are still able to be fixed. Yet he signaled a willingness to move quickly if the state law were to eventually change.

“I take the position that I have to administer the law, and the law states that we don't do risk-limiting audits until after the certification of the election,” Piper said.

“And so, I think that if the General Assembly and the governor were to come together and require that [change], we would certainly work with them to make sure that it was implemented properly.”

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/politics/elections/virginia-election-audit-happens-after-results-are-certified-a-state-law-renders-the-election-check-powerless-to-fix-mistakes/65-cbfa162c-63fb-49c3-b298-cf84af01fc9d
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