Youngkin or McAuliffe

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Anonymous wrote:For those of us who aren't going to read the 156 pg thread - can you answer a few questions if you've following:

Is McAuliffe a progressive? I.e. is he trying to go the way of Bernie (or even Biden) with free everything? I know he was a good governor (though I only moved here at the end of his term) and the state since has been #1 of business many times. That to me is the most important thing - keep attracting new businesses and growing the state - EVEN IF that means you have to to give corporate tax breaks/incentives to get employers to come here. To me you'd think Youngkin's private equity background would be helpful here. But I'm also not interested in a covid denier who'll roll back vax mandates etc. (I assume he would since he's a Trump guy) - because part of a vibrant economy, is keeping it open.

I'm just less and less interested in the progressive policies, free money to individuals, diversity etc. (and no I'm not white) and more interested in economic growth because I think that lifts all ships (and I'm from a northern state where industry went away - I know how much people suffer then). Thoughts?

To answer your question - YES. Free everything.

Was he a moderate before and now progressive because he knows that's what Dems want? Or is it all talk to get the Dem votes and then he ignores those progressive promises?

What progressive promises is he making?

Free pre-k, paid leave, free rent, subsidized childcare etc

[Anonymous]

As if there aren't 92 other friends discussing this EXACT thing... you had to start another?

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[Anonymous]

He’s only a moderate in the sense that the Overton window has shifted so far left. Supposedly he’s business friendly enough, though it seems like it’s kind of a crony capitalism kind of thing. He’s more likely to support funding fue higher education than any R is. One great big meh.

[Anonymous]

I wish we had true moderate choices ever. I mean I have zero interest in supporting MAGA but I also have zero interest in supporting people who are Bernie lite. As progressivism grows insanely, what's considered a moderate now is still really really progressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of us who aren't going to read the 156 pg thread - can you answer a few questions if you've following:

Is McAuliffe a progressive? I.e. is he trying to go the way of Bernie (or even Biden) with free everything? I know he was a good governor (though I only moved here at the end of his term) and the state since has been #1 of business many times. That to me is the most important thing - keep attracting new businesses and growing the state - EVEN IF that means you have to to give corporate tax breaks/incentives to get employers to come here. To me you'd think Youngkin's private equity background would be helpful here. But I'm also not interested in a covid denier who'll roll back vax mandates etc. (I assume he would since he's a Trump guy) - because part of a vibrant economy, is keeping it open.

I'm just less and less interested in the progressive policies, free money to individuals, diversity etc. (and no I'm not white) and more interested in economic growth because I think that lifts all ships (and I'm from a northern state where industry went away - I know how much people suffer then). Thoughts?

To answer your question - YES. Free everything.

Was he a moderate before and now progressive because he knows that's what Dems want? Or is it all talk to get the Dem votes and then he ignores those progressive promises?

What progressive promises is he making?

Free pre-k, paid leave, free rent, subsidized childcare etc

Isn't all this crap in Biden's trillions of dollars of spending anyway? All of this is in even the pared down version of the bill at $1.7-1.9 trillion so states are going to have to go with it anyway unless they are true red states like Oklahoma, Tx, Alabama that just don't subsidize things the federal gov't passes (like Obamacare); that'd never happen in Va. anyway - even if we were to go red, it'd be more like a light pink not true red.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of us who aren't going to read the 156 pg thread - can you answer a few questions if you've following:

Is McAuliffe a progressive? I.e. is he trying to go the way of Bernie (or even Biden) with free everything? I know he was a good governor (though I only moved here at the end of his term) and the state since has been #1 of business many times. That to me is the most important thing - keep attracting new businesses and growing the state - EVEN IF that means you have to to give corporate tax breaks/incentives to get employers to come here. To me you'd think Youngkin's private equity background would be helpful here. But I'm also not interested in a covid denier who'll roll back vax mandates etc. (I assume he would since he's a Trump guy) - because part of a vibrant economy, is keeping it open.

I'm just less and less interested in the progressive policies, free money to individuals, diversity etc. (and no I'm not white) and more interested in economic growth because I think that lifts all ships (and I'm from a northern state where industry went away - I know how much people suffer then). Thoughts?

To answer your question - YES. Free everything.

Was he a moderate before and now progressive because he knows that's what Dems want? Or is it all talk to get the Dem votes and then he ignores those progressive promises?

What progressive promises is he making?

Free pre-k, paid leave, free rent, subsidized childcare etc

Are these really “progressive”?

https://terrymcauliffe.com/issues/women/
-Ensure that every Virginian has access to paid sick, family and medical leave and raise the minimum wage to $15 by 2024.
-Expand pre-k to more than 40,000 three and four-year-olds in need.
-Make child care more affordable by continuing subsidies and COVID-era flexibilities for women seeking work, and expand access to before and after school programs that address learning loss for kids and allow parents to stay in the workforce.

https://terrymcauliffe.com/issues/housing/
-Allocate permanent funding for programs that provide Virginians with access to legal support, rent relief, and eviction prevention and diversion programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of us who aren't going to read the 156 pg thread - can you answer a few questions if you've following:

Is McAuliffe a progressive? I.e. is he trying to go the way of Bernie (or even Biden) with free everything? I know he was a good governor (though I only moved here at the end of his term) and the state since has been #1 of business many times. That to me is the most important thing - keep attracting new businesses and growing the state - EVEN IF that means you have to to give corporate tax breaks/incentives to get employers to come here. To me you'd think Youngkin's private equity background would be helpful here. But I'm also not interested in a covid denier who'll roll back vax mandates etc. (I assume he would since he's a Trump guy) - because part of a vibrant economy, is keeping it open.

I'm just less and less interested in the progressive policies, free money to individuals, diversity etc. (and no I'm not white) and more interested in economic growth because I think that lifts all ships (and I'm from a northern state where industry went away - I know how much people suffer then). Thoughts?

To answer your question - YES. Free everything.

Was he a moderate before and now progressive because he knows that's what Dems want? Or is it all talk to get the Dem votes and then he ignores those progressive promises?

What progressive promises is he making?

Free pre-k, paid leave, free rent, subsidized childcare etc

Isn't all this crap in Biden's trillions of dollars of spending anyway? All of this is in even the pared down version of the bill at $1.7-1.9 trillion so states are going to have to go with it anyway unless they are true red states like Oklahoma, Tx, Alabama that just don't subsidize things the federal gov't passes (like Obamacare); that'd never happen in Va. anyway - even if we were to go red, it'd be more like a light pink not true red.

Biden is ditching a lot of ‘that crap’. McAuliffe is pitching himself as a failsafe and ignoring things like the crazy inflation crippling businesses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just voted for T Mac

T Mac?

Since when did politicians get nickname monikers?

Barf!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of us who aren't going to read the 156 pg thread - can you answer a few questions if you've following:

Is McAuliffe a progressive? I.e. is he trying to go the way of Bernie (or even Biden) with free everything? I know he was a good governor (though I only moved here at the end of his term) and the state since has been #1 of business many times. That to me is the most important thing - keep attracting new businesses and growing the state - EVEN IF that means you have to to give corporate tax breaks/incentives to get employers to come here. To me you'd think Youngkin's private equity background would be helpful here. But I'm also not interested in a covid denier who'll roll back vax mandates etc. (I assume he would since he's a Trump guy) - because part of a vibrant economy, is keeping it open.

I'm just less and less interested in the progressive policies, free money to individuals, diversity etc. (and no I'm not white) and more interested in economic growth because I think that lifts all ships (and I'm from a northern state where industry went away - I know how much people suffer then). Thoughts?

To answer your question - YES. Free everything.

Was he a moderate before and now progressive because he knows that's what Dems want? Or is it all talk to get the Dem votes and then he ignores those progressive promises?

What progressive promises is he making?

Free pre-k, paid leave, free rent, subsidized childcare etc

Isn't all this crap in Biden's trillions of dollars of spending anyway? All of this is in even the pared down version of the bill at $1.7-1.9 trillion so states are going to have to go with it anyway unless they are true red states like Oklahoma, Tx, Alabama that just don't subsidize things the federal gov't passes (like Obamacare); that'd never happen in Va. anyway - even if we were to go red, it'd be more like a light pink not true red.

Biden is ditching a lot of ‘that crap’. McAuliffe is pitching himself as a failsafe and ignoring things like the crazy inflation crippling businesses.

Biden is ditching a lot but A LOT (too much) is still in there - including pre k; paid leave for jobs up to a certain income level. IDK about daycare/housing - haven't seen anything along those lines. My point is if fed gov't goes with it, then that'll be the floor for Va. anyway - we're not Alabama to where we just won't go with what a Dem president puts into place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of us who aren't going to read the 156 pg thread - can you answer a few questions if you've following:

Is McAuliffe a progressive? I.e. is he trying to go the way of Bernie (or even Biden) with free everything? I know he was a good governor (though I only moved here at the end of his term) and the state since has been #1 of business many times. That to me is the most important thing - keep attracting new businesses and growing the state - EVEN IF that means you have to to give corporate tax breaks/incentives to get employers to come here. To me you'd think Youngkin's private equity background would be helpful here. But I'm also not interested in a covid denier who'll roll back vax mandates etc. (I assume he would since he's a Trump guy) - because part of a vibrant economy, is keeping it open.

I'm just less and less interested in the progressive policies, free money to individuals, diversity etc. (and no I'm not white) and more interested in economic growth because I think that lifts all ships (and I'm from a northern state where industry went away - I know how much people suffer then). Thoughts?

To answer your question - YES. Free everything.

Was he a moderate before and now progressive because he knows that's what Dems want? Or is it all talk to get the Dem votes and then he ignores those progressive promises?

What progressive promises is he making?

Free pre-k, paid leave, free rent, subsidized childcare etc

Are these really “progressive”?

https://terrymcauliffe.com/issues/women/
-Ensure that every Virginian has access to paid sick, family and medical leave and raise the minimum wage to $15 by 2024.
-Expand pre-k to more than 40,000 three and four-year-olds in need.
-Make child care more affordable by continuing subsidies and COVID-era flexibilities for women seeking work, and expand access to before and after school programs that address learning loss for kids and allow parents to stay in the workforce.

https://terrymcauliffe.com/issues/housing/
-Allocate permanent funding for programs that provide Virginians with access to legal support, rent relief, and eviction prevention and diversion programs.

Hmm I'm the non progressive here -- hmm I could live with this. Min wage raised over 3 more yrs, limited # of ppl in free pre k; some nebulous promises re affordable childcare/flexibilities - more nebulous the are the more they don't happen; and eh those legal support type programs do nothing anyway. This doesn't seem hugely progressive to me - it just seems like - make it sound like I speak the progressives' language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish we had true moderate choices ever. I mean I have zero interest in supporting MAGA but I also have zero interest in supporting people who are Bernie lite. As progressivism grows insanely, what's considered a moderate now is still really really progressive.

This +1,000. As a former Maryland resident, I really wish VA would find its own Larry Hogan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we had true moderate choices ever. I mean I have zero interest in supporting MAGA but I also have zero interest in supporting people who are Bernie lite. As progressivism grows insanely, what's considered a moderate now is still really really progressive.

This +1,000. As a former Maryland resident, I really wish VA would find its own Larry Hogan.

I'm hoping Larry Hogan makes a presidential run. IDK if there's any speculation on that or not but that's what we need - a true moderate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of us who aren't going to read the 156 pg thread - can you answer a few questions if you've following:

Is McAuliffe a progressive? I.e. is he trying to go the way of Bernie (or even Biden) with free everything? I know he was a good governor (though I only moved here at the end of his term) and the state since has been #1 of business many times. That to me is the most important thing - keep attracting new businesses and growing the state - EVEN IF that means you have to to give corporate tax breaks/incentives to get employers to come here. To me you'd think Youngkin's private equity background would be helpful here. But I'm also not interested in a covid denier who'll roll back vax mandates etc. (I assume he would since he's a Trump guy) - because part of a vibrant economy, is keeping it open.

I'm just less and less interested in the progressive policies, free money to individuals, diversity etc. (and no I'm not white) and more interested in economic growth because I think that lifts all ships (and I'm from a northern state where industry went away - I know how much people suffer then). Thoughts?

To answer your question - YES. Free everything.

Was he a moderate before and now progressive because he knows that's what Dems want? Or is it all talk to get the Dem votes and then he ignores those progressive promises?

What progressive promises is he making?

Northam was a moderate but veered left after the blackface incident was revealed. McAuliffe was a moderate in his prior term, but has already veered sharply left this time because he usurped the opportunity to run for Governor as a Democrat from two Black women (Jennifer McClellan and Jennifer Carroll Foy) and now has to make amends by promising to be at least as progressive as they would have been, if elected.

His platform is very aligned with what the left-of-center Democrats want, including a chief integration officer in the state education department with a single-minded focus on pushing school districts to change school boundaries to effect demographic balancing and pushing for the construction of affordable/subsidized housing in areas with higher rated schools (although we can probably assume none of that will take place in McAuliiffe's own corner of McLean).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of us who aren't going to read the 156 pg thread - can you answer a few questions if you've following:

Is McAuliffe a progressive? I.e. is he trying to go the way of Bernie (or even Biden) with free everything? I know he was a good governor (though I only moved here at the end of his term) and the state since has been #1 of business many times. That to me is the most important thing - keep attracting new businesses and growing the state - EVEN IF that means you have to to give corporate tax breaks/incentives to get employers to come here. To me you'd think Youngkin's private equity background would be helpful here. But I'm also not interested in a covid denier who'll roll back vax mandates etc. (I assume he would since he's a Trump guy) - because part of a vibrant economy, is keeping it open.

I'm just less and less interested in the progressive policies, free money to individuals, diversity etc. (and no I'm not white) and more interested in economic growth because I think that lifts all ships (and I'm from a northern state where industry went away - I know how much people suffer then). Thoughts?

To answer your question - YES. Free everything.

Was he a moderate before and now progressive because he knows that's what Dems want? Or is it all talk to get the Dem votes and then he ignores those progressive promises?

What progressive promises is he making?

Free pre-k, paid leave, free rent, subsidized childcare etc

Are these really “progressive”?

https://terrymcauliffe.com/issues/women/
-Ensure that every Virginian has access to paid sick, family and medical leave and raise the minimum wage to $15 by 2024.
-Expand pre-k to more than 40,000 three and four-year-olds in need.
-Make child care more affordable by continuing subsidies and COVID-era flexibilities for women seeking work, and expand access to before and after school programs that address learning loss for kids and allow parents to stay in the workforce.

https://terrymcauliffe.com/issues/housing/
-Allocate permanent funding for programs that provide Virginians with access to legal support, rent relief, and eviction prevention and diversion programs.

Hmm I'm the non progressive here -- hmm I could live with this. Min wage raised over 3 more yrs, limited # of ppl in free pre k; some nebulous promises re affordable childcare/flexibilities - more nebulous the are the more they don't happen; and eh those legal support type programs do nothing anyway. This doesn't seem hugely progressive to me - it just seems like - make it sound like I speak the progressives' language.

Yes, I’m generally moderate (except when it comes to women’s rights) but these don’t sound super “progressive” to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of us who aren't going to read the 156 pg thread - can you answer a few questions if you've following:

Is McAuliffe a progressive? I.e. is he trying to go the way of Bernie (or even Biden) with free everything? I know he was a good governor (though I only moved here at the end of his term) and the state since has been #1 of business many times. That to me is the most important thing - keep attracting new businesses and growing the state - EVEN IF that means you have to to give corporate tax breaks/incentives to get employers to come here. To me you'd think Youngkin's private equity background would be helpful here. But I'm also not interested in a covid denier who'll roll back vax mandates etc. (I assume he would since he's a Trump guy) - because part of a vibrant economy, is keeping it open.

I'm just less and less interested in the progressive policies, free money to individuals, diversity etc. (and no I'm not white) and more interested in economic growth because I think that lifts all ships (and I'm from a northern state where industry went away - I know how much people suffer then). Thoughts?

To answer your question - YES. Free everything.

Was he a moderate before and now progressive because he knows that's what Dems want? Or is it all talk to get the Dem votes and then he ignores those progressive promises?

What progressive promises is he making?

Northam was a moderate but veered left after the blackface incident was revealed. McAuliffe was a moderate in his prior term, but has already veered sharply left this time because he usurped the opportunity to run for Governor as a Democrat from two Black women (Jennifer McClellan and Jennifer Carroll Foy) and now has to make amends by promising to be at least as progressive as they would have been, if elected.

His platform is very aligned with what the left-of-center Democrats want, including a chief integration officer in the state education department with a single-minded focus on pushing school districts to change school boundaries to effect demographic balancing and pushing for the construction of affordable/subsidized housing in areas with higher rated schools (although we can probably assume none of that will take place in McAuliiffe's own corner of McLean).

I mean how much will it really affect NoVa though - like McLean but also Arlington, Falls Church, Tysons - is there a ton of land left for new construction of affordable housing? I imagine that's more the problem in areas where you start seeing open land.

I'm sure he's more progressive now than just a few years ago but IDK - if he breaks those promises - does that really hurt him, he's done after this term anyway.