Biden's VP?

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Anonymous wrote:Harris is a repellent. Whitmer is a sorority girl who will appeal to suburban white women. Harris brings literally nothing to the table. Nobody likes her – except her Big Tech puppetmasters.

How demeaning. She is a very accomplished woman who's more than held her own during a pandemic and has the death threats to prove it.

And it would be more accurate to say she's a soccer mom type who will appeal to suburban white women. Black MI voters also like her, but don't know how well that would translate outside the state.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone really loves Kamala on this thread

Because Black turnout is critical to a win, and could be depressed if disappointment over a non-Black pick.

There are at least 3 other non-polarizing Black women in the running.

Most African-American people polled do not favor using race as a factor in picking a nominee. They don't care. They want to win. Because the cost of not winning - is quite literally death. Picking **ANY PERSON for optics ONLY and losing = death.

Literally. We don’t care about anything but winning and getting crap done once we win.

Why did you vote for Obama then? Serious question.

It was a completely different time, with completely different stakes. The same reason I love Cory Booker but didn’t push him over Warren (at the time). I have continually reminded people that not everyone just hops on a party line, there are a number of people who vote for the person that will be most electable AND effective for their time in office. If Obama were not running, I would have voted for McCain because I think he probably would have picked a different VP. It may have been the wrong vote then (in hindsight) but that possibility was irrelevant since Obama did run, I figured his electability and efficiency in platforms thst would actually be changed for 4-8 years, and I was right, and he did.

Both parties are often guilty of running too many options than singling out the best person in the primaries. It’s annoying.

Biden blue no matter who. But pick the best person for electability and the job. Seems Bass is the broadest brush for both. My bias wants to throw Warren in there or Whitmer/Grisham. Demings is also still a possibility but then we get into different tiers. Never liked Abrams or Mayor Bottoms for this slot. Too green, Mayor Pete.

My two shekels

The question of why Grisham doesn't have a higher profile in the search, despite great qualifications, has come up a few times. I think a PP basically said this a while back but it's because the Southwest would be a more narrow strategy than focusing on AA turnout and swing vote turnout more broadly. And because the question of identity politics is more complicated in her case, and might not help much outside of her region. From a recent US Weekly article:

"She noted the governor’s ethnic heritage does not automatically resonate with all U.S. Latinos — a melting pot in their own right that includes exiled Cuban families, waves of laborers from Mexico and recent refugees from a natural disaster in Puerto Rico, an economic collapse in Venezuela or gang violence in Central America.

Lujan Grisham campaigned for governor as a 12th-generation Latina. Her maiden name ties her to a grandfather on the state Supreme Court and a distant cousin, Manuel Lujan, who served as a Republican congressman and U.S. interior secretary.

“I have no doubt that a Black woman from the South would mobilize the African American vote,” Sierra said. “The Latino angle on that is a lot more complicated and a little more ambiguous.”

So, two things come to mind:

1 - why can’t every VP-elect under consideration agree to get behind the other? Is this too much of an adult thing to do for a band of women breaking the glass? Why not a pact, no matter who, we all vote blue, and get our people to vote blue too. They should pull a Bernie Sanders, which made my respect SOAR for him, eccentricities snafus and all.

2 - This may not be PC to say — but I don’t think a lot of people realize she is Latina. She looks and sounds as White as Whitmer. Is there absolutely no consideration given to her potential appeal to other demographic voters? I don’t think there is any person that can isolate the AA vote at this point, or the never trumpers, or some women. And what about the women that will get behind her because she IS a woman? Even with all of the hate around Hillary, she had a lot of popularity because she was a woman. Why is there no expectation of gender support for this race? There are so many good dialogues that Biden can run on in these coming weeks.

Lujan is a Hispanic woman of Basque heritage. The Basque are considered Hispanic. And she speaks Spanish, but she does have white skin privilege, so it's complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris is a repellent. Whitmer is a sorority girl who will appeal to suburban white women. Harris brings literally nothing to the table. Nobody likes her – except her Big Tech puppetmasters.

How demeaning. She is a very accomplished woman who's more than held her own during a pandemic and has the death threats to prove it.

And it would be more accurate to say she's a soccer mom type who will appeal to suburban white women. Black MI voters also like her, but don't know how well that would translate outside the state.

Biden is in a bind here. A Whitmer has obvious broad appeal to suburban white women and swing voters but there is just no way he can justify picking her over the talented Black women in his pool. I'm afraid the blowback would be brutal and he doesn't have enough time to manage this problem.

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Anonymous wrote:If Biden wins Michigan, the race is over. I personally don't find her very impressive, but it makes Whitmer a no-brainer.

Not true. Each candidate has 191 electoral college votes that are pretty reliable (although this year TX and AZ are in play, so Trump is going to actually have to spend time and money there to secure what normally are secure Republican votes).

Of the 12 swing states, Biden is leading in polling in all of them, but 3 are within 3% (next is Florida with Biden +5.9)



Either candidate needs to with 79 of the available 156 electoral college votes. Trump could win the three close states (IA, NC, OH), Florida and Pennsylvania (both of which he won in 2016) and have the 270 that he needs. Heck, with NC, OH, FL and PA, he doesn't even need IA and he still has a win.

None of the swing states (and this year, Texas and Arizona are swing states) is inconsequential.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I think it will be Michelle Obama, if that is how you spell her name. Her kids are out of the house in college. This election is turning into a social justice election vs economy. People on the left want Obama back. I mean, this would make sense and solidify the election. Go ahead and brush me off but I would put money on this.

I hope so 2. She would b the “perfect” choice in many ways.

This is delusional. I seriously don't know what you are thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris is a repellent. Whitmer is a sorority girl who will appeal to suburban white women. Harris brings literally nothing to the table. Nobody likes her – except her Big Tech puppetmasters.

How demeaning. She is a very accomplished woman who's more than held her own during a pandemic and has the death threats to prove it.

And it would be more accurate to say she's a soccer mom type who will appeal to suburban white women. Black MI voters also like her, but don't know how well that would translate outside the state.

She is quite literally a sorority girl. She was the president of her house at Michigan State University.

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Anonymous wrote:If Biden wins Michigan, the race is over. I personally don't find her very impressive, but it makes Whitmer a no-brainer.

Not true. Each candidate has 191 electoral college votes that are pretty reliable (although this year TX and AZ are in play, so Trump is going to actually have to spend time and money there to secure what normally are secure Republican votes).

Of the 12 swing states, Biden is leading in polling in all of them, but 3 are within 3% (next is Florida with Biden +5.9)



Either candidate needs to with 79 of the available 156 electoral college votes. Trump could win the three close states (IA, NC, OH), Florida and Pennsylvania (both of which he won in 2016) and have the 270 that he needs. Heck, with NC, OH, FL and PA, he doesn't even need IA and he still has a win.

None of the swing states (and this year, Texas and Arizona are swing states) is inconsequential.

You're being hyper-literal. Winning Michigan would signal the race is over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harris is a repellent. Whitmer is a sorority girl who will appeal to suburban white women. Harris brings literally nothing to the table. Nobody likes her – except her Big Tech puppetmasters.

How demeaning. She is a very accomplished woman who's more than held her own during a pandemic and has the death threats to prove it.

And it would be more accurate to say she's a soccer mom type who will appeal to suburban white women. Black MI voters also like her, but don't know how well that would translate outside the state.

Biden is in a bind here. A Whitmer has obvious broad appeal to suburban white women and swing voters but there is just no way he can justify picking her over the talented Black women in his pool. I'm afraid the blowback would be brutal and he doesn't have enough time to manage this problem.

I don't think there will be as much blowback as some here think. While I agree there will be disappointment, the current environment is much more forgiving than it ordinarily would be. With the current racial tensions from police brutality, racial inequality and white supremacists who are encouraged by the current administration, I don't think that there are many black voters who will abandon the Biden ticket to vote for Trump. I also think that many of those who would otherwise be disenchanted are firmly in the Anyone But Trump camp and will vote for Biden through their disappointment. There are not that many who will stay home or vote for Trump because Biden did not promote a black female VP candidate, especially as he has several qualified black women to service in major appointments (Rice as Sec State, several candidates as SCOTUS appointments to replace Bader Ginsburg, and more).

If the opponent were anyone else, this would be a major issue for Biden. This year, with the clearly bigoted and white supremacist supporting Trump as the opponent, I think Biden has more room to avoid that danger than against almost any other candidate that the GOP could put up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Biden wins Michigan, the race is over. I personally don't find her very impressive, but it makes Whitmer a no-brainer.

Not true. Each candidate has 191 electoral college votes that are pretty reliable (although this year TX and AZ are in play, so Trump is going to actually have to spend time and money there to secure what normally are secure Republican votes).

Of the 12 swing states, Biden is leading in polling in all of them, but 3 are within 3% (next is Florida with Biden +5.9)



Either candidate needs to with 79 of the available 156 electoral college votes. Trump could win the three close states (IA, NC, OH), Florida and Pennsylvania (both of which he won in 2016) and have the 270 that he needs. Heck, with NC, OH, FL and PA, he doesn't even need IA and he still has a win.

None of the swing states (and this year, Texas and Arizona are swing states) is inconsequential.

You're being hyper-literal. Winning Michigan would signal the race is over.

I still don't agree. Michigan has never been considered a bellwether state. Most of the other swing states have been with Ohio being the most accurate reflection of the likelihood of a winner for the longest time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellwether#United_States

Michigan isn't even on the list of states that have previously been used as a bellwether. They have a very hit or miss accuracy as indication of a winner or of the tide of the election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harris is a repellent. Whitmer is a sorority girl who will appeal to suburban white women. Harris brings literally nothing to the table. Nobody likes her – except her Big Tech puppetmasters.

The thirsty misogyny is real.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris is a repellent. Whitmer is a sorority girl who will appeal to suburban white women. Harris brings literally nothing to the table. Nobody likes her – except her Big Tech puppetmasters.

How demeaning. She is a very accomplished woman who's more than held her own during a pandemic and has the death threats to prove it.

And it would be more accurate to say she's a soccer mom type who will appeal to suburban white women. Black MI voters also like her, but don't know how well that would translate outside the state.

Biden is in a bind here. A Whitmer has obvious broad appeal to suburban white women and swing voters but there is just no way he can justify picking her over the talented Black women in his pool. I'm afraid the blowback would be brutal and he doesn't have enough time to manage this problem.

How odd. Whitmer is arguendo the most qualified and a diverse pick...pretty justifiable.

[Anonymous]

Recent polling shows that the VP choice has basically no effect on voting. The slight difference correlates exactly to national name recognition. Joe should choose the one he feels best helps him govern and with whom he feels most comfortable.

https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/1290373119228616704/photo/1

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How demeaning. She is a very accomplished woman who's more than held her own during a pandemic and has the death threats to prove it.

And it would be more accurate to say she's a soccer mom type who will appeal to suburban white women. Black MI voters also like her, but don't know how well that would translate outside the state.

She is quite literally a sorority girl. She was the president of her house at Michigan State University.

Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Michelle Grisham, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Karen Bass, Val Demmings, and Stacey Abrams were all in soroities

So were Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Condi Rice, Dianne Feinstein, Lisa Murkowski, Loretta Lynch, Safra Catz, Blanche Lincoln, Shirley Chisholm, and many more female leaders. Let's not reduce successful women to stereotypes just because of an activity they participated in during college.

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Anonymous wrote:Recent polling shows that the VP choice has basically no effect on voting. The slight difference correlates exactly to national name recognition. Joe should choose the one he feels best helps him govern and with whom he feels most comfortable.

https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/1290373119228616704/photo/1

This is why I think it will be Susan Rice. Biden has made it clear that one of his top priorities is a simpatico relationship, similar to that of his and President Obamas. No one on the list is closer to him than Rice, given their 8 years of working close in Administration 44. She also handled ebola so she has a foundation of pandemic experience if she were to be tasked with corona virus. She has connections to nearly every world leader and ambassador so she can be tasked with rebuilding the countries relationships and foreign policy while Biden works on domestic issues. Obama's former staff made a great case for her on Pod Save America.

[Anonymous]

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How demeaning. She is a very accomplished woman who's more than held her own during a pandemic and has the death threats to prove it.

And it would be more accurate to say she's a soccer mom type who will appeal to suburban white women. Black MI voters also like her, but don't know how well that would translate outside the state.

She is quite literally a sorority girl. She was the president of her house at Michigan State University.

Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Michelle Grisham, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Karen Bass, Val Demmings, and Stacey Abrams were all in soroities

So were Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Condi Rice, Dianne Feinstein, Lisa Murkowski, Loretta Lynch, Safra Catz, Blanche Lincoln, Shirley Chisholm, and many more female leaders. Let's not reduce successful women to stereotypes just because of an activity they participated in during college.

+1 Agreed. Whitmer is a bright, strong leader who would be a practical choice. No need to be a misogynist.