Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

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Anonymous wrote:The coaching manuals continually say there must be rest periods, periodization training needs to be kept in mind, levels of intensity should differ. The recovery time from 1 game could be as high as 72 hours.

Not sure how the state association can have the their licensing courses say one thing, yet their ODP programs violate their own recommendations. I guess a way out is to say the parents and clubs will have to choose what is best for their player.

Yep. Idiots.

Parents need to be their players advocate.

This stuff is completely ridiculous. I played on the VA State team as a kid and it's tough for me to navigate this snake oil industry. It feeds on paranoid parents with deep pockets that think they are doing the best for their kids. Sadly, in the long run the opposite happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep - just Arlington players here: http://www.vysa.com/docs/odp/DistrictODP/North%20Boys%20D-ODP%20District%20Pool.pdf

A lot of lower team players. I don't see any of the upper team players.

Do you mean lower age group, because this is the list for D-ODP for younger kids, not ODP.

No. A-B team vs C-D team players. I don't think many kids out out for this training. It tends to have sessions the same time as club practices.

ODP training sessions are on Sun evenings, club practices are during the week.
It is irrelevant whether or not anyone selected is A,B,C team for their club. ODP is a different animal than club travel. ODP is not limited to A-team players of any age.

So they go from their Sunday travel soccer games to ODP training after? I thought it was Friday evenings.

Also, what is the difference between Development Academy teams and ODP teams? Do players mix or can DA players only play DA?

What is considered better?

Development Academy is for U10-U12. It is simply training provided by ODP coaches. There is no tryout and is based on space availability.

ODP is tryout based and a pool of players to be trained is selected. The State team is then selected from the District Pools.

No. They did have tryouts in Fredericksburg for the '05, 06, 07s, but maybe it was show up and we take your $.

Correct. The 05-07 aren't in the pool. That is purely paid training. They are too young for ODP. They found they could make more $ off of parents by offering this extra training and marketing it under "ODP". There is nothing prestigious about it.

The knowledgeable soccer families did not go out for this.

Great. NOW you tell us !

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Anonymous wrote:Yep - just Arlington players here: http://www.vysa.com/docs/odp/DistrictODP/North%20Boys%20D-ODP%20District%20Pool.pdf

A lot of lower team players. I don't see any of the upper team players.

Do you mean lower age group, because this is the list for D-ODP for younger kids, not ODP.

No. A-B team vs C-D team players. I don't think many kids out out for this training. It tends to have sessions the same time as club practices.

ODP training sessions are on Sun evenings, club practices are during the week.
It is irrelevant whether or not anyone selected is A,B,C team for their club. ODP is a different animal than club travel. ODP is not limited to A-team players of any age.

So they go from their Sunday travel soccer games to ODP training after? I thought it was Friday evenings.

Also, what is the difference between Development Academy teams and ODP teams? Do players mix or can DA players only play DA?

What is considered better?

Two locations have training Sunday evening; one location has training Friday evening. Location is assigned depending on age group.

DA and D-ODP are just two different kinds of programs. DA generally speaking up until this year has been for boys only, whereas ODP has always been co-ed.

One is not necessarily better than the other, it just depends on what you're looking for and which program suits your needs and lifestyle.

It doesn't seem like any of the top players we know tried out. This is just paid training sessions (not ODP team). I think some think it will mark their kid for an ODP team down the road. 90 min after a 90 min game same day is not good on a growing kid's joints.

I think you are confusing several things here.

DA = U.S. Soccer Development Academy and is run by clubs. Selective Boys U12-U19 Girls U14-U19
D-ODP = Development ODP "academy" and is paid training run by VYSA ODP Coaches. Non-selective U10-U12
ODP = VYSA ODP. Selective U13-U19

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Anonymous wrote:Yep - just Arlington players here: http://www.vysa.com/docs/odp/DistrictODP/North%20Boys%20D-ODP%20District%20Pool.pdf

A lot of lower team players. I don't see any of the upper team players.

Do you mean lower age group, because this is the list for D-ODP for younger kids, not ODP.

No. A-B team vs C-D team players. I don't think many kids out out for this training. It tends to have sessions the same time as club practices.

ODP training sessions are on Sun evenings, club practices are during the week.
It is irrelevant whether or not anyone selected is A,B,C team for their club. ODP is a different animal than club travel. ODP is not limited to A-team players of any age.

So they go from their Sunday travel soccer games to ODP training after? I thought it was Friday evenings.

Also, what is the difference between Development Academy teams and ODP teams? Do players mix or can DA players only play DA?

What is considered better?

Development Academy is for U10-U12. It is simply training provided by ODP coaches. There is no tryout and is based on space availability.

ODP is tryout based and a pool of players to be trained is selected. The State team is then selected from the District Pools.

No. They did have tryouts in Fredericksburg for the '05, 06, 07s, but maybe it was show up and we take your $.

Correct. The 05-07 aren't in the pool. That is purely paid training. They are too young for ODP. They found they could make more $ off of parents by offering this extra training and marketing it under "ODP". There is nothing prestigious about it.

The knowledgeable soccer families did not go out for this.

How does one become a knowledgeable soccer family?

Two parents that paid D-1, State team players, National team alternate and licensed coach.

And, still, I don't know what the hell is going on sometimes because they come up with new shit/ways to make $ every year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The coaching manuals continually say there must be rest periods, periodization training needs to be kept in mind, levels of intensity should differ. The recovery time from 1 game could be as high as 72 hours.

Not sure how the state association can have the their licensing courses say one thing, yet their ODP programs violate their own recommendations. I guess a way out is to say the parents and clubs will have to choose what is best for their player.

Yep. Idiots.

Parents need to be their players advocate.

This stuff is completely ridiculous. I played on the VA State team as a kid and it's tough for me to navigate this snake oil industry. It feeds on paranoid parents with deep pockets that think they are doing the best for their kids. Sadly, in the long run the opposite happens.

Did you lose both of your legs because of ODP?

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Anonymous wrote:Yep - just Arlington players here: http://www.vysa.com/docs/odp/DistrictODP/North%20Boys%20D-ODP%20District%20Pool.pdf

A lot of lower team players. I don't see any of the upper team players.

Do you mean lower age group, because this is the list for D-ODP for younger kids, not ODP.

No. A-B team vs C-D team players. I don't think many kids out out for this training. It tends to have sessions the same time as club practices.

ODP training sessions are on Sun evenings, club practices are during the week.
It is irrelevant whether or not anyone selected is A,B,C team for their club. ODP is a different animal than club travel. ODP is not limited to A-team players of any age.

So they go from their Sunday travel soccer games to ODP training after? I thought it was Friday evenings.

Also, what is the difference between Development Academy teams and ODP teams? Do players mix or can DA players only play DA?

What is considered better?

Development Academy is for U10-U12. It is simply training provided by ODP coaches. There is no tryout and is based on space availability.

ODP is tryout based and a pool of players to be trained is selected. The State team is then selected from the District Pools.

No. They did have tryouts in Fredericksburg for the '05, 06, 07s, but maybe it was show up and we take your $.

Correct. The 05-07 aren't in the pool. That is purely paid training. They are too young for ODP. They found they could make more $ off of parents by offering this extra training and marketing it under "ODP". There is nothing prestigious about it.

The knowledgeable soccer families did not go out for this.

How does one become a knowledgeable soccer family?

Two parents that paid D-1, State team players, National team alternate and licensed coach.

And, still, I don't know what the hell is going on sometimes because they come up with new shit/ways to make $ every year.

'Played'. No pun intended. At that time you didn't need to pay to play.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep - just Arlington players here: http://www.vysa.com/docs/odp/DistrictODP/North%20Boys%20D-ODP%20District%20Pool.pdf

A lot of lower team players. I don't see any of the upper team players.

Do you mean lower age group, because this is the list for D-ODP for younger kids, not ODP.

No. A-B team vs C-D team players. I don't think many kids out out for this training. It tends to have sessions the same time as club practices.

ODP training sessions are on Sun evenings, club practices are during the week.
It is irrelevant whether or not anyone selected is A,B,C team for their club. ODP is a different animal than club travel. ODP is not limited to A-team players of any age.

So they go from their Sunday travel soccer games to ODP training after? I thought it was Friday evenings.

Also, what is the difference between Development Academy teams and ODP teams? Do players mix or can DA players only play DA?

What is considered better?

Two locations have training Sunday evening; one location has training Friday evening. Location is assigned depending on age group.

DA and D-ODP are just two different kinds of programs. DA generally speaking up until this year has been for boys only, whereas ODP has always been co-ed.

One is not necessarily better than the other, it just depends on what you're looking for and which program suits your needs and lifestyle.

It doesn't seem like any of the top players we know tried out. This is just paid training sessions (not ODP team). I think some think it will mark their kid for an ODP team down the road. 90 min after a 90 min game same day is not good on a growing kid's joints.

I think you are confusing several things here.

DA = U.S. Soccer Development Academy and is run by clubs. Selective Boys U12-U19 Girls U14-U19
D-ODP = Development ODP "academy" and is paid training run by VYSA ODP Coaches. Non-selective U10-U12
ODP = VYSA ODP. Selective U13-U19

Confused as to why somebody posted a "selected" list for the u10-U12 when they are just doing the paid training.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep - just Arlington players here: http://www.vysa.com/docs/odp/DistrictODP/North%20Boys%20D-ODP%20District%20Pool.pdf

A lot of lower team players. I don't see any of the upper team players.

Do you mean lower age group, because this is the list for D-ODP for younger kids, not ODP.

No. A-B team vs C-D team players. I don't think many kids out out for this training. It tends to have sessions the same time as club practices.

ODP training sessions are on Sun evenings, club practices are during the week.
It is irrelevant whether or not anyone selected is A,B,C team for their club. ODP is a different animal than club travel. ODP is not limited to A-team players of any age.

So they go from their Sunday travel soccer games to ODP training after? I thought it was Friday evenings.

Also, what is the difference between Development Academy teams and ODP teams? Do players mix or can DA players only play DA?

What is considered better?

Two locations have training Sunday evening; one location has training Friday evening. Location is assigned depending on age group.

DA and D-ODP are just two different kinds of programs. DA generally speaking up until this year has been for boys only, whereas ODP has always been co-ed.

One is not necessarily better than the other, it just depends on what you're looking for and which program suits your needs and lifestyle.

It doesn't seem like any of the top players we know tried out. This is just paid training sessions (not ODP team). I think some think it will mark their kid for an ODP team down the road. 90 min after a 90 min game same day is not good on a growing kid's joints.

I think you are confusing several things here.

DA = U.S. Soccer Development Academy and is run by clubs. Selective Boys U12-U19 Girls U14-U19
D-ODP = Development ODP "academy" and is paid training run by VYSA ODP Coaches. Non-selective U10-U12
ODP = VYSA ODP. Selective U13-U19

Confused as to why somebody posted a "selected" list for the u10-U12 when they are just doing the paid training.

Well they did drive all the way to Frericksburg

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There is nothing wrong with paying for training. Not sure why it's being thumbed down here. Does someone have to say the training is "super-exclusive and we cut more kids than Harvard" for parents to believe they're getting good training.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with paying for training. Not sure why it's being thumbed down here. Does someone have to say the training is "super-exclusive and we cut more kids than Harvard" for parents to believe they're getting good training.

No. It's the bragging that they are doing "ODP" when in reality they are U10-U12 just paying for training (fine--but strange to brag your child is doing it).

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with paying for training. Not sure why it's being thumbed down here. Does someone have to say the training is "super-exclusive and we cut more kids than Harvard" for parents to believe they're getting good training.

And as far as price for the training it is competitively priced. Whether it is quality training is up for debate but it isn't pricy compared to elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with paying for training. Not sure why it's being thumbed down here. Does someone have to say the training is "super-exclusive and we cut more kids than Harvard" for parents to believe they're getting good training.

No. It's the bragging that they are doing "ODP" when in reality they are U10-U12 just paying for training (fine--but strange to brag your child is doing it).

I don't think anyone here was bragging about being in D-ODP and I think most of those that attended know that it's just additional training. As another poster mentioned it appears reasonably priced and it's meant as just that, not a replacement for your club training. If anything, for those players on B/C teams it may be a good way for them to have constant competition in training vs having to go up against teammates who may be weaker. Gets players out of their comfort zone. Even if it isn't a selective process at the U10-U12 ages, players will want to be the best out there and maybe work a little harder to be noticed within a large group. Players get to know expectations of those coaches who will be part of the selection process. Yes it's just training but it does have it's benefits.

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So for all the knowledgeable soccer families out there, where does your kid do supplemental training (training outside his club) and how much does it cost per hour? There were many questions asked on this thread about D-ODP and whether or not people thought it was worth it. There were different opinions. I personally chose NOT to have my son "tryout" for D-ODP. (Yes, I know and knew that they take everyone at this age). I know some VERY knowledgeable soccer families that have their kids in D-ODP and I know some VERY knowledgeable people who turned me away from it. But the bottom line is that many kids do a 4th practice per week. I don't see why people would ridicule people for doing D-ODP. For those people...what is better supplemental training? Can you share the cost as well please. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:So for all the knowledgeable soccer families out there, where does your kid do supplemental training (training outside his club) and how much does it cost per hour? There were many questions asked on this thread about D-ODP and whether or not people thought it was worth it. There were different opinions. I personally chose NOT to have my son "tryout" for D-ODP. (Yes, I know and knew that they take everyone at this age). I know some VERY knowledgeable soccer families that have their kids in D-ODP and I know some VERY knowledgeable people who turned me away from it. But the bottom line is that many kids do a 4th practice per week. I don't see why people would ridicule people for doing D-ODP. For those people...what is better supplemental training? Can you share the cost as well please. Thanks.

Training is where you find it. I'm not sure what someone would say about D-ODP that would turn you away. Even their taste in coaching might be different than yours. The more coaches, styles, and training you expose your kids to the more informed YOU will be as a parent. I know you can't throw money at everything but don't be afraid to try different things.

There is a lot of negativity on these sites and people that have their own agendas, even people looking you in the eye will manipulate some elements.

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Thanks for the reply. Sunday nights and the drive to South County HS wasn't best for me, so I, personally, chose different supplemental training for my son other than D-ODP. I'm just wondering what all these knowledgeable parents do for supplemental training for their kids. I hope they will share their knowledge.