Jen Hatmaker

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Honest question here, I promise. I do not mean this as a “gotcha” or argumentative in any way. I’m just seeking to learn more.
You stated here that basic human rights are being denied to whole groups of people. I assume you are referring to LGBTQ based on the thread. Re-reading through the comments, it seems like the issue being debated is whether or not this is considered a “sin”. For those with a traditional, biblical belief system, I think the answer is yes. So the basic human right being denied is - whether or not someone thinks someone else is going to heaven (or hell)? I’m genuinely confused. It seems as though the demand here is for people to alter their personal beliefs to assure someone else is “ok”. It seems strange. I consider myself a “sinner”. Whether or not you believe I am going to heaven (or hell) is of no consequence to me.

No offense taken to the question! The basic human rights I’m referring to are marriage, adoption, affirming health care for trans people, etc. These things are under very real attack at both the state and national level right now.

While I think the non-affirming position is incorrect theologically and harmful to the church, I don’t mean to equate that with human rights. The problem is that the lack of separation between church and state allows the former to influence the latter.

yeah yeah you are The Enlightened One who figured it all out and if we disagree with you we're closeminded haters and a homophobes who just like the other 5000 years worth of apostles and theologians don't understand what the bible "really meant" until it was revealed to some very precious holy chosen prophets within the last couple decades
blah blah 🥱
please let's move on


I take offense— honestly, if someone puts LBGQT…. All the letters, into a class that is less than any one else, then that person and the “religion” or “god” they follow is simply a terrible human being. Seriously. If you can’t accept someone because of how and who they love, then you are a bad human and frankly I don’t want anything to do with that type of person. And don’t give me the “hate the sin, love the sinner” BS. That’s just a cop out. You are literally saying that you are better than some one because he/she is gay or trans or whatever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Honest question here, I promise. I do not mean this as a “gotcha” or argumentative in any way. I’m just seeking to learn more.
You stated here that basic human rights are being denied to whole groups of people. I assume you are referring to LGBTQ based on the thread. Re-reading through the comments, it seems like the issue being debated is whether or not this is considered a “sin”. For those with a traditional, biblical belief system, I think the answer is yes. So the basic human right being denied is - whether or not someone thinks someone else is going to heaven (or hell)? I’m genuinely confused. It seems as though the demand here is for people to alter their personal beliefs to assure someone else is “ok”. It seems strange. I consider myself a “sinner”. Whether or not you believe I am going to heaven (or hell) is of no consequence to me.

No offense taken to the question! The basic human rights I’m referring to are marriage, adoption, affirming health care for trans people, etc. These things are under very real attack at both the state and national level right now.

While I think the non-affirming position is incorrect theologically and harmful to the church, I don’t mean to equate that with human rights. The problem is that the lack of separation between church and state allows the former to influence the latter.

yeah yeah you are The Enlightened One who figured it all out and if we disagree with you we're closeminded haters and a homophobes who just like the other 5000 years worth of apostles and theologians don't understand what the bible "really meant" until it was revealed to some very precious holy chosen prophets within the last couple decades
blah blah 🥱
please let's move on

I take offense— honestly, if someone puts LBGQT…. All the letters, into a class that is less than any one else, then that person and the “religion” or “god” they follow is simply a terrible human being. Seriously. If you can’t accept someone because of how and who they love, then you are a bad human and frankly I don’t want anything to do with that type of person. And don’t give me the “hate the sin, love the sinner” BS. That’s just a cop out. You are literally saying that you are better than some one because he/she is gay or trans or whatever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we move onto more fun topics?!

Time should have stayed private. I thought (based on Brandon’s pics and the assessment given here) that she was probably super sweet, maybe a little dumb and caught up in a bunch of drama that she didn’t seek out or deserve. However, after reading through a bunch of her Insta posts - especially her most recent one 😅🙄 - I think she is HERE for the drama. A lot of her captions have the feel of being written by an immature girl to her “haters.” Soooooo much gushing about her man, describing their perfect night, how happy they are, etc. It’s like Jen, but she doesn’t have the writing skills to hide the fact that she’s posting with a clear agenda!

And why make her account public? She has over 1,500 followers now, but very little engagement on posts, so most people are just lurking. Does anyone know how many she previously had?

I do think she probably is genuinely into Brandon. The cheap dresses and shoes make me think she feels like she hit the jackpot with a guy that buys her tacky name brand gifts with oversized logos so everyone knows their name brand, takes her to expensive chain steakhouses, and on Mexico weekends. She probably really likes him, but as someone who was once in a relationship with a guy who had a toxic ex situation I know there’s a bit of an adrenaline high that comes from feeling like you won and wanting the right people to know you won. I also know those relationships often end badly.


yes - I am thinking she's more Mean Girl than Ditzy Sweet Girl.

Altho in 99.999% of divorces, ex trashes their ex to new boo. Who knows what Brandon has told her.

PS - Tina, Brandon used to have almost no SM interaction, especially Insta. Now he posts your boobs alllll the time. It is so obvious he and Jen are in the Olympics of F You competition via Instagram. So if you think he's over his ex-wife, girl, you're as dumb as you spend so much time and money trying to look.

Also, she’s not as cute as I thought she was.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we move onto more fun topics?!

Time should have stayed private. I thought (based on Brandon’s pics and the assessment given here) that she was probably super sweet, maybe a little dumb and caught up in a bunch of drama that she didn’t seek out or deserve. However, after reading through a bunch of her Insta posts - especially her most recent one 😅🙄 - I think she is HERE for the drama. A lot of her captions have the feel of being written by an immature girl to her “haters.” Soooooo much gushing about her man, describing their perfect night, how happy they are, etc. It’s like Jen, but she doesn’t have the writing skills to hide the fact that she’s posting with a clear agenda!

And why make her account public? She has over 1,500 followers now, but very little engagement on posts, so most people are just lurking. Does anyone know how many she previously had?

I do think she probably is genuinely into Brandon. The cheap dresses and shoes make me think she feels like she hit the jackpot with a guy that buys her tacky name brand gifts with oversized logos so everyone knows their name brand, takes her to expensive chain steakhouses, and on Mexico weekends. She probably really likes him, but as someone who was once in a relationship with a guy who had a toxic ex situation I know there’s a bit of an adrenaline high that comes from feeling like you won and wanting the right people to know you won. I also know those relationships often end badly.


yes - I am thinking she's more Mean Girl than Ditzy Sweet Girl.

Altho in 99.999% of divorces, ex trashes their ex to new boo. Who knows what Brandon has told her.

PS - Tina, Brandon used to have almost no SM interaction, especially Insta. Now he posts your boobs alllll the time. It is so obvious he and Jen are in the Olympics of F You competition via Instagram. So if you think he's over his ex-wife, girl, you're as dumb as you spend so much time and money trying to look.

Also, she’s not as cute as I thought she was.

OOF that overbite on her. Why spend all that money on fake boobs and fake hair and fake nails when you have that kinda overbite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Honest question here, I promise. I do not mean this as a “gotcha” or argumentative in any way. I’m just seeking to learn more.
You stated here that basic human rights are being denied to whole groups of people. I assume you are referring to LGBTQ based on the thread. Re-reading through the comments, it seems like the issue being debated is whether or not this is considered a “sin”. For those with a traditional, biblical belief system, I think the answer is yes. So the basic human right being denied is - whether or not someone thinks someone else is going to heaven (or hell)? I’m genuinely confused. It seems as though the demand here is for people to alter their personal beliefs to assure someone else is “ok”. It seems strange. I consider myself a “sinner”. Whether or not you believe I am going to heaven (or hell) is of no consequence to me.

No offense taken to the question! The basic human rights I’m referring to are marriage, adoption, affirming health care for trans people, etc. These things are under very real attack at both the state and national level right now.

While I think the non-affirming position is incorrect theologically and harmful to the church, I don’t mean to equate that with human rights. The problem is that the lack of separation between church and state allows the former to influence the latter.

yeah yeah you are The Enlightened One who figured it all out and if we disagree with you we're closeminded haters and a homophobes who just like the other 5000 years worth of apostles and theologians don't understand what the bible "really meant" until it was revealed to some very precious holy chosen prophets within the last couple decades
blah blah 🥱
please let's move on

I take offense— honestly, if someone puts LBGQT…. All the letters, into a class that is less than any one else, then that person and the “religion” or “god” they follow is simply a terrible human being. Seriously. If you can’t accept someone because of how and who they love, then you are a bad human and frankly I don’t want anything to do with that type of person. And don’t give me the “hate the sin, love the sinner” BS. That’s just a cop out. You are literally saying that you are better than some one because he/she is gay or trans or whatever.

You just made my point— I never needed a book to tell me what I should think. So, yeah, you are a bad human. Move along sheep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we move onto more fun topics?!

Time should have stayed private. I thought (based on Brandon’s pics and the assessment given here) that she was probably super sweet, maybe a little dumb and caught up in a bunch of drama that she didn’t seek out or deserve. However, after reading through a bunch of her Insta posts - especially her most recent one 😅🙄 - I think she is HERE for the drama. A lot of her captions have the feel of being written by an immature girl to her “haters.” Soooooo much gushing about her man, describing their perfect night, how happy they are, etc. It’s like Jen, but she doesn’t have the writing skills to hide the fact that she’s posting with a clear agenda!

And why make her account public? She has over 1,500 followers now, but very little engagement on posts, so most people are just lurking. Does anyone know how many she previously had?

I do think she probably is genuinely into Brandon. The cheap dresses and shoes make me think she feels like she hit the jackpot with a guy that buys her tacky name brand gifts with oversized logos so everyone knows their name brand, takes her to expensive chain steakhouses, and on Mexico weekends. She probably really likes him, but as someone who was once in a relationship with a guy who had a toxic ex situation I know there’s a bit of an adrenaline high that comes from feeling like you won and wanting the right people to know you won. I also know those relationships often end badly.


yes - I am thinking she's more Mean Girl than Ditzy Sweet Girl.

Altho in 99.999% of divorces, ex trashes their ex to new boo. Who knows what Brandon has told her.

PS - Tina, Brandon used to have almost no SM interaction, especially Insta. Now he posts your boobs alllll the time. It is so obvious he and Jen are in the Olympics of F You competition via Instagram. So if you think he's over his ex-wife, girl, you're as dumb as you spend so much time and money trying to look.

Also, she’s not as cute as I thought she was.

OOF that overbite on her. Why spend all that money on fake boobs and fake hair and fake nails when you have that kinda overbite?

Hey Troll-Why don’t you share your photos so we can pick apart your appearance. I’m sure you’re perfect.

[Anonymous]

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yeah yeah you are The Enlightened One who figured it all out and if we disagree with you we're closeminded haters and a homophobes who just like the other 5000 years worth of apostles and theologians don't understand what the bible "really meant" until it was revealed to some very precious holy chosen prophets within the last couple decades
blah blah 🥱
please let's move on

Oh, for pete's sake. You GET that a lot of evangelicalism's current Biblical interpretations are relatively new things, right? So many of the things that we grew up learning as Biblical fact are indeed MILES away from the early church belief. A lot of them are a product of the 1800's and 1900's. This is nothing new in the church. Throughout history we drift, and then course correct. We have whole Reformations.

So criticize Jen for her shilling, her fakery, her whatever, but don't assume she thinks she's got some special revelation because she started to ask questions about what she'd always been taught. Asking questions is a good thing. It's the one thing I respect her for, that she has been willing to ask questions and change her mind even when it wasn't easy, even when she lost friends, lost speaking gigs and book sales and all that. I feel bad for Sydney that she had to live with their non-affirming stance until she finally came out, but I'm glad that unlike many evangelical parents they said "Okay, we know our daughter. What we know doesn't match with what we were always taught. Let's learn more."

[Anonymous]

Brandon liked a picture on Tina’s Instagram on May 23, 2020. Jen posted an anniversary post on June 30, 2020 and announced the family crisis a month or so later. I know you can like posts after the fact, however, he didn’t like another post for quite awhile and as soon as Tina posted him on Insta, he began liking all her posts. Seems unlikely he would scroll all the way back and only like that one post. I think he knew Tina before he and Jen split although he has said different. Also, a lot of her posts seem to be hinting at him very close to the official split.

[Anonymous]

I wonder the real reason why Jen didn’t join her internet besties on their annual couples trip. Clearly Jen can afford the time and expense based on her many trips this year. Is it because they called out her unhealthy dynamics with Brandon when they all got together as couples a couple years ago? Like they may spot her weirdness with Tyler? Or perhaps Tyler had no interest to hang out with Jen’s monochromatic crew and their men in a very non diverse location? Based on his comments about his time in north Minnesota he’s pays close attention to racial diversity when traveling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brandon liked a picture on Tina’s Instagram on May 23, 2020. Jen posted an anniversary post on June 30, 2020 and announced the family crisis a month or so later. I know you can like posts after the fact, however, he didn’t like another post for quite awhile and as soon as Tina posted him on Insta, he began liking all her posts. Seems unlikely he would scroll all the way back and only like that one post. I think he knew Tina before he and Jen split although he has said different. Also, a lot of her posts seem to be hinting at him very close to the official split.

He also liked a post of hers from August 2019.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brandon liked a picture on Tina’s Instagram on May 23, 2020. Jen posted an anniversary post on June 30, 2020 and announced the family crisis a month or so later. I know you can like posts after the fact, however, he didn’t like another post for quite awhile and as soon as Tina posted him on Insta, he began liking all her posts. Seems unlikely he would scroll all the way back and only like that one post. I think he knew Tina before he and Jen split although he has said different. Also, a lot of her posts seem to be hinting at him very close to the official split.

He also liked a post of hers from August 2019.

Brandon also posted during quarantine that he just couldn’t find a rhythm, but what was helping him was exercise and outdoors. At the same time, Tina was posting lots of hikes and outdoor adventures…

Still an affairs just doesn’t seem to add up to all that has been alluded to…their male friends waiting outside to protect and support Jen while she confronted Brandon with what she could never unsee…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brandon liked a picture on Tina’s Instagram on May 23, 2020. Jen posted an anniversary post on June 30, 2020 and announced the family crisis a month or so later. I know you can like posts after the fact, however, he didn’t like another post for quite awhile and as soon as Tina posted him on Insta, he began liking all her posts. Seems unlikely he would scroll all the way back and only like that one post. I think he knew Tina before he and Jen split although he has said different. Also, a lot of her posts seem to be hinting at him very close to the official split.

He also liked a post of hers from August 2019.

Brandon also posted during quarantine that he just couldn’t find a rhythm, but what was helping him was exercise and outdoors. At the same time, Tina was posting lots of hikes and outdoor adventures…

Still an affairs just doesn’t seem to add up to all that has been alluded to…their male friends waiting outside to protect and support Jen while she confronted Brandon with what she could never unsee…

That whole thing with Tray and Shonna’s husband (or whoever else was there) waiting outside to ‘protect’ her is so cringe. Protect her from what? Was he violent? If so, why confront him in the first place. If he was truly dangerous, she should not have been there at all. That’s so blah to me. Be an adult, ffs. I get if he had abused her or the children, which there has been absolutely zero evidence that I’ve seen. What’s tray going to do? He’s a washed up former football player- so what. He’s going to physically intervene? Gimme a f’n break. I’m no fan of Brandon— he’s kind of a wus if you ask me. He tries to be hard now with his tats and hats pulled down over his ears like a douche. Please— he’s no Jesse James Badass biker guy.

Jen is so shallow, melodramatic, and hyperbolic, it’s sickening. Even in one of the worst points of her adult life, she can do nothing but try to draw attention and favor from a bunch of total strangers who follow her. I really believe during this time, her thought process wasn’t completely about her family- but also on her followers, and how she was going to keep them lathered up for her continuous monetary gains. She’s addicted to adulation. It’s her oxygen.

[Anonymous]

Jen really needs that Narcissistic Fuel.
It is her oxygen.
She’s a slave to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
this guy is an inch deep.

More like 6 inches deep. In a very hot and willing vessel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Brandon liked a picture on Tina’s Instagram on May 23, 2020. Jen posted an anniversary post on June 30, 2020 and announced the family crisis a month or so later. I know you can like posts after the fact, however, he didn’t like another post for quite awhile and as soon as Tina posted him on Insta, he began liking all her posts. Seems unlikely he would scroll all the way back and only like that one post. I think he knew Tina before he and Jen split although he has said different. Also, a lot of her posts seem to be hinting at him very close to the official split.

He also liked a post of hers from August 2019.

If they spent that much time in secrecy, there’s no way that there’s not intent behind going public now and having those past posts with Brandon’s likes. She wants Jen to know how long Brandon has been her man.