Protests on college campuses

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Best article I've seen on the protests (Friedman). Well worth reading the whole thing.

What Palestinians and Israelis need most now are not performative gestures of disinvestment but real gestures of impactful investment, not the threat of a deeper war in Rafah but a way to build more partners for peace. Invest in groups that promote Arab-Jewish understanding, like the Abraham Initiatives or the New Israel Fund. Invest in management skills capacity-building for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, like the wonderful Education for Employment network or Anera, that will help a new generation to take over the Palestinian Authority and build strong, noncorrupt institutions to run a Palestinian state.

This is not a time for exclusionary thinking. It is a time for complexity thinking and pragmatic thinking: How do we get to two nation-states for two indigenous people? If you want to make a difference and not just make a point, stand for that, work for that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/08/opinion/campus-protests-gaza.html?unlocked_article_code=1.qU0.7WdN.Z_h4Rqj0rkdn&smid=url-share

Israel has no interest in peaceful coexistence and the majority of the population of Israel is not indigenous.

+1. These two facts alone make this article meaningless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Conflating criticism of and protests against the policies and actions of the State of Israel with anti-semitism and labeling such criticisms and protests as “anti-semitic” needs to be criminalized without Congressional exemption.

The rampant distortion of the word has warped any sense of relevance at this point.

I agree. Then when real hate groups, like Neo-Nazis NSC-131, march through the streets like they did last week, it hardly gets any press attention.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13379747/Neo-nazi-NSC-131-greenwich-connecticut-heil-hitler.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Police officers began clearing University Yard at The George Washington University in Washington D.C around 3 a.m. today after multiple warnings to clear the encampment. "Protesters that refused to leave the site were taken into custody. About five police vans were filled with arrested protesters, including students, by 5 a.m. A small rally formed on G Street, with students cheering on arrested demonstrators as police barricaded the block around University Yard." Mayor of D.C. and police Chief "planned to meet with lawmakers Wednesday morning at a House Oversight hearing on the District’s response to the GW encampment."

What exactly will these lawmakers do?!

33 arrested. That fool Republican House member called off oversight after arrests made and praised DC mayor for the arrests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bingo on that Vox article. It's like some of you didn't live through 2020-2021.

"People with unsound views are able to get operatives fired and render them unhirable. They’re able to shut down discussions on listservs meant for tactical discussions. And most of all, they create an environment where lots of people feel they need to watch their words very carefully."

The war on information and speech is intense, and it comes from both the right and the left.

You mean, people are held to account for their words and actions by their employer?

Or lack of words. God forbid you didn't post the stupid black square but were otherwise active on social media that week.

Silence is violence. Speech is violence. Whatcha gonna do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police officers began clearing University Yard at The George Washington University in Washington D.C around 3 a.m. today after multiple warnings to clear the encampment. "Protesters that refused to leave the site were taken into custody. About five police vans were filled with arrested protesters, including students, by 5 a.m. A small rally formed on G Street, with students cheering on arrested demonstrators as police barricaded the block around University Yard." Mayor of D.C. and police Chief "planned to meet with lawmakers Wednesday morning at a House Oversight hearing on the District’s response to the GW encampment."

What exactly will these lawmakers do?!

33 arrested. That fool Republican House member called off oversight after arrests made and praised DC mayor for the arrests.

Read his statement. "Following the Metropolitan Police Department finally clearing out the unlawful encampment on GW's campus, I am very pleased to announce that the hearing with Mayor Bowser has been canceled. I had a good conversation with Mayor Bowser. I thanked her for finally clearing the trespassers off the GW Campus. It was unfortunate the situation at GW forced the Oversight Committee to act; however it was apparent that the DC police force was not going to do their job. Therefore, after meeting with GW leadership and touring the encampment, we decided to hold a public hearing to get answers as to why the Mayor would not uphold the law. I am pleased that the potential Oversight hearing led to swift action by Mayor Bowser and MPD Chief Smith. We will continue to hold D.C. officials
accountable to ensure our nation's capital is safe for all."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Best article I've seen on the protests (Friedman). Well worth reading the whole thing.

What Palestinians and Israelis need most now are not performative gestures of disinvestment but real gestures of impactful investment, not the threat of a deeper war in Rafah but a way to build more partners for peace. Invest in groups that promote Arab-Jewish understanding, like the Abraham Initiatives or the New Israel Fund. Invest in management skills capacity-building for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, like the wonderful Education for Employment network or Anera, that will help a new generation to take over the Palestinian Authority and build strong, noncorrupt institutions to run a Palestinian state.

This is not a time for exclusionary thinking. It is a time for complexity thinking and pragmatic thinking: How do we get to two nation-states for two indigenous people? If you want to make a difference and not just make a point, stand for that, work for that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/08/opinion/campus-protests-gaza.html?unlocked_article_code=1.qU0.7WdN.Z_h4Rqj0rkdn&smid=url-share

Israel has no interest in peaceful coexistence and the majority of the population of Israel is not indigenous.

He addresses the former. Read the f-ing article.

I read it. He doesn't address it.

[Anonymous]

Our students are useful idiots being propagandized. Combine the sheep culture they grew up in fostered by social media, the intellectually lazy DEI curriculum they experienced in their schooling, and the larger oversimplified “us v them” dynamic we are all living in - and what results? They are now the tools of foreign interests. Some/most have good intentions to right the injustices they see, but have such a gap in historical & geopolitical understanding. And again, this is not a generation that was ever taught to cultivate their complex thinking skills. We have entered very dangerous times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bingo on that Vox article. It's like some of you didn't live through 2020-2021.

"People with unsound views are able to get operatives fired and render them unhirable. They’re able to shut down discussions on listservs meant for tactical discussions. And most of all, they create an environment where lots of people feel they need to watch their words very carefully."

The war on information and speech is intense, and it comes from both the right and the left.

You mean, people are held to account for their words and actions by their employer?

One day you leftists will be held accountable for your words and actions.

When the RWNJs admit that they spread lies and conspiracy theories, get back to me.

EVERYONE should be responsible for their own words and actions.

At this point the right has lost all credibility, so those of us in the middle aren't interested in hearing you cry wolf anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our students are useful idiots being propagandized. Combine the sheep culture they grew up in fostered by social media, the intellectually lazy DEI curriculum they experienced in their schooling, and the larger oversimplified “us v them” dynamic we are all living in - and what results? They are now the tools of foreign interests. Some/most have good intentions to right the injustices they see, but have such a gap in historical & geopolitical understanding. And again, this is not a generation that was ever taught to cultivate their complex thinking skills. We have entered very dangerous times.

The entire GOP establishment are tools of foreign governments. If you want someone to blame, you can go right to them and their long-term attempts to undermine and dismantle public education.

Guess our country is f-d, huh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Police officers began clearing University Yard at The George Washington University in Washington D.C around 3 a.m. today after multiple warnings to clear the encampment. "Protesters that refused to leave the site were taken into custody. About five police vans were filled with arrested protesters, including students, by 5 a.m. A small rally formed on G Street, with students cheering on arrested demonstrators as police barricaded the block around University Yard." Mayor of D.C. and police Chief "planned to meet with lawmakers Wednesday morning at a House Oversight hearing on the District’s response to the GW encampment."

What exactly will these lawmakers do?!

33 arrested. That fool Republican House member called off oversight after arrests made and praised DC mayor for the arrests.

Republican House members don't care about Jews. They don't care about Palestinians. They don't care about college students.

They only look for signs of unrest that they can coopt and twist for political gain.

God forbid they should actually do their real jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow!

One. An argument in favor collective punishment from federal judge is really, really terrible. They won’t hired Columbia undergrads who actually opposed the protests 8 years prior? This statement is so bad that . . .

Two. One might suspect these were all Trump nominees. You know, the ones the ABA rated as “unqualified”. That would be because . . .

Three. They are. Every single one nominated by Trump. I mean— Matthew Kaczmaryc? That should be Your first clue right there.

A couple other points. This makes the delegitimization and politicization problems the federal judiciary has been starting with Clarence and Ginnny Thomas (not helped by Aileen Cannon or Matty K) so. much. worse. John Robert must be ready to go postal.

Also, these MAGAtt pimped out the by thr Federalist Society were never going to hire liberal law clerks. They are heading for Hillsdale and Liberty grads anyway. And Ivy caliber law clerks would never work for them even if offered. Not all federal clerkships are created equal. Most a prestigious. But, there are exceptions. Some can be career killers. Interesting article about Aileen Cannon’s clerks quitting. Google “cannon law clerks quit”.

In fact, the only thing that is Wow! Here is that Cannon had the sense not to sign this. I guess if you’re a laughingstock long enough, you start making better choices.

If these people are as awful as you say, then students should be thrilled that Columbia and Harvard won't associated with them.

Well, Harvard and Columbia always have some eager beaver young Federalist Society members. I guess they would be upset. But yeah— they aren’t respected jurists. And liberal or moderate or even moderate conservative students wouldn’t send resumes to them. Your would need to be pretty far to the right and want a career in right wing politics or some form of right wing activism to want these judges names on your resume. So, I’m not sure whom they think they are hurting here. In reality, only people who are already pretty far right. And they are looking for Libert, Bob Jones U, Hillsdale, etc undergrad anyway.

moderate or sending resumes to THiS crew. Again, Matty K? I mean…. Who would clerk for him to being with?

This is simply not true. You obviously know nothing about clerkships.

Only RWNJs are going to clerk for Kaczmaryk. That name is going to stick out on resumes and only people who want it for that reason and who are ok clerking for a RWNJ will apply

Keep digging. It’s entertaining. You know nothing of clerkships.

You can keep saying that but it’s wrong. I had multiple federal clerkships and certainly I was selective where I applied based on the reputation of the judge. Likewise I know something of the hiring process of judges.

I certainly hope you are lying. It is a terrifying possibility that you actually clerked. For my own faith in the skill and neutrality of the judiciary, I have to believe you are lying. The alternative is too depressing and scary for the future of the country and an independent judiciary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Best article I've seen on the protests (Friedman). Well worth reading the whole thing.

What Palestinians and Israelis need most now are not performative gestures of disinvestment but real gestures of impactful investment, not the threat of a deeper war in Rafah but a way to build more partners for peace. Invest in groups that promote Arab-Jewish understanding, like the Abraham Initiatives or the New Israel Fund. Invest in management skills capacity-building for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, like the wonderful Education for Employment network or Anera, that will help a new generation to take over the Palestinian Authority and build strong, noncorrupt institutions to run a Palestinian state.

This is not a time for exclusionary thinking. It is a time for complexity thinking and pragmatic thinking: How do we get to two nation-states for two indigenous people? If you want to make a difference and not just make a point, stand for that, work for that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/08/opinion/campus-protests-gaza.html?unlocked_article_code=1.qU0.7WdN.Z_h4Rqj0rkdn&smid=url-share

Israel has no interest in peaceful coexistence and the majority of the population of Israel is not indigenous.

He addresses the former. Read the f-ing article.

I read it. He doesn't address it.

Of course he does. He expressly condemns Netanyahu and the settlers and calls for supporting "building more partners for peace", on both sides.

You're either (a) being performative, or if not then (b) calling for the eradication of Israel.

Which is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police officers began clearing University Yard at The George Washington University in Washington D.C around 3 a.m. today after multiple warnings to clear the encampment. "Protesters that refused to leave the site were taken into custody. About five police vans were filled with arrested protesters, including students, by 5 a.m. A small rally formed on G Street, with students cheering on arrested demonstrators as police barricaded the block around University Yard." Mayor of D.C. and police Chief "planned to meet with lawmakers Wednesday morning at a House Oversight hearing on the District’s response to the GW encampment."

What exactly will these lawmakers do?!

33 arrested. That fool Republican House member called off oversight after arrests made and praised DC mayor for the arrests.

Republican House members don't care about Jews. They don't care about Palestinians. They don't care about college students.

They only look for signs of unrest that they can coopt and twist for political gain.

God forbid they should actually do their real jobs.

I am a Jew who is upset about the college protests, and could not agree more. I'd say they are hyenas but it's insulting to hyenas. They care about breaking us apart, and that is all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our students are useful idiots being propagandized. Combine the sheep culture they grew up in fostered by social media, the intellectually lazy DEI curriculum they experienced in their schooling, and the larger oversimplified “us v them” dynamic we are all living in - and what results? They are now the tools of foreign interests. Some/most have good intentions to right the injustices they see, but have such a gap in historical & geopolitical understanding. And again, this is not a generation that was ever taught to cultivate their complex thinking skills. We have entered very dangerous times.

So you think protesting Israel’s war crimes and crimes against humanity make someone tools of foreign interest? Hallelujah right now we get it all praised then I go through and stuff you’re not gonna use get rid of online stuff. Israel is a foreign country. You are under its influence. It is you who are the stooge for a foreign country. You are the useful idiot and the sheep.

It is scary to hear people like yourself who are clearly are a thrall to Israel and would gladly throw everything this country stand for under the bus for Israel to talk about re- education of people you disagree with. Israel is an unimportant country and is not even self sustainable without the US’s constant intervention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our students are useful idiots being propagandized. Combine the sheep culture they grew up in fostered by social media, the intellectually lazy DEI curriculum they experienced in their schooling, and the larger oversimplified “us v them” dynamic we are all living in - and what results? They are now the tools of foreign interests. Some/most have good intentions to right the injustices they see, but have such a gap in historical & geopolitical understanding. And again, this is not a generation that was ever taught to cultivate their complex thinking skills. We have entered very dangerous times.

So you think protesting Israel’s war crimes and crimes against humanity make someone tools of foreign interest? Hallelujah right now we get it all praised then I go through and stuff you’re not gonna use get rid of online stuff. Israel is a foreign country. You are under its influence. It is you who are the stooge for a foreign country. You are the useful idiot and the sheep.

It is scary to hear people like yourself who are clearly are a thrall to Israel and would gladly throw everything this country stand for under the bus for Israel to talk about re- education of people you disagree with. Israel is an unimportant country and is not even self sustainable without the US’s constant intervention.

So it’s been the pro Israel crowd burning American flags?

Huh.