DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:Not looking for validation but shooting down flawed analysis by folks who promote GDA/ECNL as the only way to go. BTW, Pipeline is in institution for boys and girls, with strong teams most age groups across genders. Not too dissimilar to Arlington.

Arlington has DA on the boys side and now on the girls side, just sayin.

What flawed analysis? DA/ECNL provide tremendous leverage in regards to showcase events. By nature of simply being on the DA or ECNL team your player has guaranteed access to that showcase leverage. Pipeline, institution as it may be, can only apply to showcase events outside of that environment. If you just compare the coaching list of Jeff Cup or Disney to that of a GDA or ECNL showcase the contrast is striking. That is factual.

So again, stay at Pipeline, you don't need DA or ECNL. But, there are few, if any, clubs that fit that mold in NoVA. With ECNL's rampant expansion in NoVA a kid with college ambition has very little choice left. GDA= Arlington, Spirit, FCV. ECNL=VDA, Loudoun, BRYC, McLean. That is seven clubs in NOVA alone with some showcase league affiliation. So, in NOVA, in order to avoid clubs in the showcase leagues one is left finding the right team with clubs like: CYA, SYA, VSA, Herndon, Sterling, ODFC, whatever Annandale is anymore, SYC, PWSI, Great Falls, Reston, VYS, Alexandira, Gunston, LMVSC, etc....

Of those clubs, VSA, PWSI, Great Falls/Reston and even VYS all have affiliations with either DA or ECNL so the teams in the older ages have already been picked of their best players in support of the DA or ECNL team. So where is the super club with a super team left for a college bound player to go?

And on your side of the river Pipeline is still affiliated with Spirit MD so it is likely that their top 2-3 players still choose DA over remaining with Pipeline.

My only point is that there are players outside of ECNL/DA that get picked up by USWNT and top schools (UCLA, UNC, Stanford, etc.). If there is a great player outside of those leagues, they will get discovered.

You'll get discovered IF your non DA/ECNL coach even thinks to recommend your player to a DA scout in order to even get invited to NTC. Just playing on a great Pipeline team is not going to get it done. Hell, have you even been reading the posts surrounding you regarding the McLean kids and the politics of their invites? If your coach doesn't have National Team on the mind and may not know what a NTC player looks like your kid can be easily left behind. But if your kid is in DA then regardless of coach promotion DA scouts will attend games and practices and can then make up their own minds after several observations. If, at Pipeline, you might be able to get a scout to a game ONCE and if they have a relationship with your coach great, but if they don't then good luck.

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Omg, and this is the system that USSF has in place to scrub the landscape for the top players. We in trouble friends.

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about Diane Drakes former age group 04...of which is the most represented club at that age at NTC. A team that sits 6 out of 8 but has almost half of their starting field players at NTC.

Sounds legit.

Nepotism and politics OR the appearance thereof must be avoided at all cost.

Barely any MD 04 kids at the same NYC. Don't forget, this is a regional NTC. Not a VA NTC.

Half of starting field players would 5 players. There is no chance that McLean team has had 5 players at the NTC. That's simply a lie.

Is it possible that over a period of a couple years 5 kids were invited? Maybe, however getting an invite once and being invited back are totally different stories. There is no way there are currently 5 04 McLean girls at the NTC.

4 mclean 04s

1 Mclean 05 (Don't know if on roster but easy to check)

All at 04 NTC

Roster to prove it.

Feel free to defend it all you want.

have a link to that roster?

If your DD has ever been invited to a USTC you would know that they dont publish the rosters. They send you a PDF invite, and then you accept it via a link. So unless someone has posted their invite for the USTC in VA you would not know who was invited unless you were given that PDF or were staff at a club who is copied on the invites (the director of club and player's coach).

Or if a parent takes a picture of it and posts it to a social media account.

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I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

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32 players only 3 non DA/ECNL. 1 from Arlington, so will be DA next year. 0 from Pipeline

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But I agree that ECNL/DA provide the easiest way to get scouted. That being said, serious players get discovered. If Hakeem Olajuwon can become a star coming from no where then good soccer players will get discovered. Also, for those who can't aforf ECNL/DA, a little extra leg work helps pave the way.

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What should happen when a team comprosed of largely NTC players constanly lose to teams of non-NTC players?

What should happen?

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

From U13 - U19 there are 4 teams;U13, U14, U16, U18 ranked inside the top ten for MD. And only
U13 and U14 have demonstrated any success against ECNL clubs. Feel free to go through the records below to show how Pipeline is "beating ECNL teams senseless" but I'm not seeing it.


U13
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2225025

U14
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2074127

U16
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2181868

U18
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2163539

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing to do with Pipeline other than I have seen many of their teams beat ECNL teams senseless. Ask any ECNL coach what he things of the quality of Pipeline players.

Just texted my coach this question.
His response: who?

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Anonymous wrote:Omg, and this is the system that USSF has in place to scrub the landscape for the top players. We in trouble friends.[/quote

Yes. Yes it is. Unfortunately ]

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about Diane Drakes former age group 04...of which is the most represented club at that age at NTC. A team that sits 6 out of 8 but has almost half of their starting field players at NTC.

Sounds legit.

Nepotism and politics OR the appearance thereof must be avoided at all cost.

Barely any MD 04 kids at the same NYC. Don't forget, this is a regional NTC. Not a VA NTC.

Half of starting field players would 5 players. There is no chance that McLean team has had 5 players at the NTC. That's simply a lie.

Is it possible that over a period of a couple years 5 kids were invited? Maybe, however getting an invite once and being invited back are totally different stories. There is no way there are currently 5 04 McLean girls at the NTC.

4 mclean 04s

1 Mclean 05 (Don't know if on roster but easy to check)

All at 04 NTC

Roster to prove it.

Feel free to defend it all you want.

Here is something even more humorous. Arlington 04 team beat that Mclean 04 ECNL team 3-0 at OBGC and again down at CASL I believe where ASA won the entire 04 bracket and Mclean did not even make the semi-finals. So how is it that 4 MYS kids from 04 are at NTC but ASA not represented beyond I hear one player?

Team wins and losses esp at u14 mean nothing to an NTC.

That is not the point. They are indicative of talent on the team. If a team had 4 starters at the NTC then they should not be losing to little old Arlington 04 from CCL.

Another clueless parent - likely from Arlington - scores of games mean very little in the NTC discussion. Kick and chase that ball!

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Anonymous wrote:I am talking about Diane Drakes former age group 04...of which is the most represented club at that age at NTC. A team that sits 6 out of 8 but has almost half of their starting field players at NTC.

Sounds legit.

Nepotism and politics OR the appearance thereof must be avoided at all cost.

Barely any MD 04 kids at the same NYC. Don't forget, this is a regional NTC. Not a VA NTC.

Half of starting field players would 5 players. There is no chance that McLean team has had 5 players at the NTC. That's simply a lie.

Is it possible that over a period of a couple years 5 kids were invited? Maybe, however getting an invite once and being invited back are totally different stories. There is no way there are currently 5 04 McLean girls at the NTC.

4 mclean 04s

1 Mclean 05 (Don't know if on roster but easy to check)

All at 04 NTC

Roster to prove it.

Feel free to defend it all you want.

Here is something even more humorous. Arlington 04 team beat that Mclean 04 ECNL team 3-0 at OBGC and again down at CASL I believe where ASA won the entire 04 bracket and Mclean did not even make the semi-finals. So how is it that 4 MYS kids from 04 are at NTC but ASA not represented beyond I hear one player?

Team wins and losses esp at u14 mean nothing to an NTC.

That is not the point. They are indicative of talent on the team. If a team had 4 starters at the NTC then they should not be losing to little old Arlington 04 from CCL.

Another clueless parent - likely from Arlington - scores of games mean very little in the NTC discussion. Kick and chase that ball!

Arlington 04 and younger girls will get their chance to prove their skills in
GDA every weekend starting this fall. If the players are that good, they’ll get into NTC.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do so many Mclean 04 kids always get invited to the National Training Centers. Is team really that stacked?

No. It was because D Drake was there as DOC for ECNL. Just like when A Brunner had his crew all in from Richmond when he ran it prior.

So, it's political?

Surely our scouts are looking to identify the next crop of NT players and not just pad the hometown players resumes...right?

OP is correct. There’s definitely a political component. It doesn’t mean those girls aren’t good, but they aren’t necessarily the best of the best. They are just the best connected. Lloyd’s book “When nobody is watching” also talks about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do so many Mclean 04 kids always get invited to the National Training Centers. Is team really that stacked?

No. It was because D Drake was there as DOC for ECNL. Just like when A Brunner had his crew all in from Richmond when he ran it prior.

So, it's political?

Surely our scouts are looking to identify the next crop of NT players and not just pad the hometown players resumes...right?

It is because USSF is spending so much money on former pros, scouts, etc to identify the top 1% of 1% of 1%. They will get it right.

Well, if the ECNL standings are any indication then our USSNT is doomed.

Again with the standings?

Yes. The standings. The team Diane Drake coached is the most well represented team at the National Training Center despite the fact that they sit 6th out of 8 in a very weak MA division.

Wheres the Richmond ECNL kids?

Were also low in the standings until the ECNL make up changed. And yet were also over represented last year in the NTCs. That Brunner is friends with Snow probably also helps his ability to lobby for his players.

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Anonymous wrote:Is McLean removing its not ECNL teams from CCL?

Yep. "Green" will play CCL2 and any lower team will play NCSL.