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Anonymous wrote:Do parents really assume that an alliance means that their child has a better chance of getting a spot on a team. We all agree it’s a gimmick, right?

One would think since this isn’t Valor’s first rodeo, they agreed to take at least one kid per team. Lessons learned from NVA. If not, it will be an utter failure and PE will be looking for a new job.

Sorry for the stupid question, but I’m new in all this. What do you mean by “they take one kid per team”?

PP is saying that Valor made an "alliance" with NVA but didn't get anything in writing from NVA on how many "Valor" players would be rostered on the NVA teams, and NVA basically took almost zero Valor kids. So Valor promised parents a "path" to higher league play but Valor kids didn't have a path in reality.

The new alliance with FVU from what I have heard is the same-no official guarantees in writing of X number of Valor kids per team. Not really sure what this "deal" gets Valor besides marketing to naive parents.

No club will promise X number of slots to anyone. Most clubs will defer to the best players who show up to tryouts. But in most cases, there might be 1 player at tryouts who has the skill to start and about 5-10 of players who "could" be rostered and play for an ECNL-N team.

This alliance is really more for the younger players. If a player shows real promise and is blowing away the competition at Valor, this FVU alliance gives a chance for the player to practice and get seen by FVU coaches and hopefully move over to FVU full time. Most of tryouts is about being seen by the coaches and if the coach knows the player, that is most of the battle.

So there are concrete plans in writing for joint practices for any Valor kid tobe able to practice with NVU teams? That's part of the agreement?

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Anonymous wrote:Do parents really assume that an alliance means that their child has a better chance of getting a spot on a team. We all agree it’s a gimmick, right?

One would think since this isn’t Valor’s first rodeo, they agreed to take at least one kid per team. Lessons learned from NVA. If not, it will be an utter failure and PE will be looking for a new job.

Sorry for the stupid question, but I’m new in all this. What do you mean by “they take one kid per team”?

PP is saying that Valor made an "alliance" with NVA but didn't get anything in writing from NVA on how many "Valor" players would be rostered on the NVA teams, and NVA basically took almost zero Valor kids. So Valor promised parents a "path" to higher league play but Valor kids didn't have a path in reality.

The new alliance with FVU from what I have heard is the same-no official guarantees in writing of X number of Valor kids per team. Not really sure what this "deal" gets Valor besides marketing to naive parents.

No club will promise X number of slots to anyone. Most clubs will defer to the best players who show up to tryouts. But in most cases, there might be 1 player at tryouts who has the skill to start and about 5-10 of players who "could" be rostered and play for an ECNL-N team.

This alliance is really more for the younger players. If a player shows real promise and is blowing away the competition at Valor, this FVU alliance gives a chance for the player to practice and get seen by FVU coaches and hopefully move over to FVU full time. Most of tryouts is about being seen by the coaches and if the coach knows the player, that is most of the battle.

So there are concrete plans in writing for joint practices for any Valor kid tobe able to practice with NVU teams? That's part of the agreement?

I think this is the wrong question to ask. I think we should be asking what are the cohesive elements of these partnerships, the coaching philosophies and style of play. Because if you have coaches at Valor teaching how to kick the ball down the field so another player can chase after it, that is not going to transfer to a higher level of play if FVU plays possession.

All of the Valor, Vienna, and BRYC clubs that filter into FVU need to have a baseline philosophy of what and how to play. They should be teaching the fundamentals at younger ages, such as ball skills, playing out of the back, possession, using space. And then progress into more complicated strategies as the players mature. This allows the players in this new FVU alliance to have a leg up on the players coming from other clubs.

[Anonymous]

Given the complaints about the Valor parent coaches and inexperienced coaches....doesn't sound likely...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Given the complaints about the Valor parent coaches and inexperienced coaches....doesn't sound likely...

I think the vast majority of complaints are from lower team parents. The top team kids are the only one's that this alliance will have any impact on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Given the complaints about the Valor parent coaches and inexperienced coaches....doesn't sound likely...

I think the vast majority of complaints are from lower team parents. The top team kids are the only one's that this alliance will have any impact on.

Mathematically, if there is one top team and four lower teams, there are just a whole lot more "lower" team parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Do parents really assume that an alliance means that their child has a better chance of getting a spot on a team. We all agree it’s a gimmick, right?

One would think since this isn’t Valor’s first rodeo, they agreed to take at least one kid per team. Lessons learned from NVA. If not, it will be an utter failure and PE will be looking for a new job.

Sorry for the stupid question, but I’m new in all this. What do you mean by “they take one kid per team”?

PP is saying that Valor made an "alliance" with NVA but didn't get anything in writing from NVA on how many "Valor" players would be rostered on the NVA teams, and NVA basically took almost zero Valor kids. So Valor promised parents a "path" to higher league play but Valor kids didn't have a path in reality.

The new alliance with FVU from what I have heard is the same-no official guarantees in writing of X number of Valor kids per team. Not really sure what this "deal" gets Valor besides marketing to naive parents.

No club will promise X number of slots to anyone. Most clubs will defer to the best players who show up to tryouts. But in most cases, there might be 1 player at tryouts who has the skill to start and about 5-10 of players who "could" be rostered and play for an ECNL-N team.

This alliance is really more for the younger players. If a player shows real promise and is blowing away the competition at Valor, this FVU alliance gives a chance for the player to practice and get seen by FVU coaches and hopefully move over to FVU full time. Most of tryouts is about being seen by the coaches and if the coach knows the player, that is most of the battle.

So there are concrete plans in writing for joint practices for any Valor kid tobe able to practice with NVU teams? That's part of the agreement?

I think this is the wrong question to ask. I think we should be asking what are the cohesive elements of these partnerships, the coaching philosophies and style of play. Because if you have coaches at Valor teaching how to kick the ball down the field so another player can chase after it, that is not going to transfer to a higher level of play if FVU plays possession.

All of the Valor, Vienna, and BRYC clubs that filter into FVU need to have a baseline philosophy of what and how to play. They should be teaching the fundamentals at younger ages, such as ball skills, playing out of the back, possession, using space. And then progress into more complicated strategies as the players mature. This allows the players in this new FVU alliance to have a leg up on the players coming from other clubs.

I will say, as the parent of a kid on a top Valor team… I do think they’ve been trying to teach the things the PP listed above. Not the ball skills as much as the other two. But kick and run is absolutely not what my kid’s team has been taught. They just haven’t always had the talent to execute successfully. Some kids can be taught the right things, but then just don’t make good decisions when it matters in games. A couple of changes to a team’s composition can make a big difference in wins vs losses. It’s so hit or miss depending on age group.

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Why can't I leave a google review on Valor like I could for other soccer orgs?

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't I leave a google review on Valor like I could for other soccer orgs?

you know why. the org disabled google reviews on their account.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't I leave a google review on Valor like I could for other soccer orgs?

you know why. the org disabled google reviews on their account.

I wouldn't spend 50 bucks on a restaurant that disabled google reviews and people drop $3000?

[Anonymous]

still no coach slate or tryout dates? other clubs we are interested in have their info posted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:still no coach slate or tryout dates? other clubs we are interested in have their info posted.

Interesting. Sounds like you are trolling. My understanding is this is getting worked on like every other club. If you look at MLS, GA and ECNL, then bar is set pretty low for advanced communications, etc.

[Anonymous]

Slow day in the office for the Valor Marketing Guy, ya'll. He posted this five whole minutes after the first comment lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:still no coach slate or tryout dates? other clubs we are interested in have their info posted.

Interesting. Sounds like you are trolling. My understanding is this is getting worked on like every other club. If you look at MLS, GA and ECNL, then bar is set pretty low for advanced communications, etc.

Valor is not MLS, GA, ECNL... not even close!

Hopefully with Valor on here tracking all the MANY complaints, they will be hiring qualified coaches for all their teams in advance of the tryouts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Given the complaints about the Valor parent coaches and inexperienced coaches....doesn't sound likely...

I think the vast majority of complaints are from lower team parents. The top team kids are the only one's that this alliance will have any impact on.

But what are the top teams accomplishing? Are they really top teams in the area or just better than the 2nd/3rd/4th teams within the club? Sure they may win some tournaments but who are they competing against?

[Anonymous]

My kid's top team just went to a low level tournament and couldn't score a goal. Not one goal all weekend. Seems like we could lose games closer to home without the cost of a hotel.