“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what sort of surveillance and control will be implemented for this to happen

If ever there were two men who looked like they only wanted the babies to live long enough so they could eat them.

“If Roe is overturned, there’s already a criminal ban, there’s already an aiding and abetting ban, there’s already a ban on mailing medication abortion,” Sepper said. “In terms of law’s ability to change behavior, they’ve almost filled all the gaps — with the exception of criminalizing the pregnant person involved in an abortion.”

Folks, this will not get any better until the mainstream media starts asking Republicans, repeatedly, if *a woman who gets an abortion* should be charged with murder. The fact they consistently let Republicans slide on this crucial point is completely mystifying to me. When Republicans have to repeatedly go on record saying they are comfortable with the death penalty for women who get abortions—including rape victims—then and only then will things change.

I know there are journalists in the forum. Why do you continue to carry water for GOP? Do your frigging job!

Because they’re stupid, bad at their jobs and enjoy power. That’s literally the only conclusion. The “mainstream” media has gotten dumber and more right wing, like there’s some sort of brain disease spreading amongst them that makes them incredibly lazy and unwilling to crawl up a rapepublican’s butt - but more than willing to talk about absolute nonsense for weeks if it’s bad for Democrats.

This will send us back to the 1800s. I don’t understand why more people aren’t alarmed.

This. We’ve been talking about this for days and still basic errors and lack of understanding regarding the significance of the potential holding in the major papers. And they’re obsessing over the protests (which I don’t support) instead of the fear that women are feeling.

Correct for my tone here because I’m terrible at conveying messages in the right tone and I do not mean this to be hostile in the least, but look at your bolded sentence and tell me that the finger wagging patriarchy doesn’t still live a little inside your head (as it does in almost everyone’s to some degree). These “justices” - and they’re not that anymore, are they? They’re Talibangelicals on a Christianist Sharia tribunal - are literally about to make women slaves. They have affirmed the right to harass women at clinics, they have affirmed the right for forced birthers to harass clinic employees at their homes and they know full well how much violence forced birthers have commit.

The people (women) bringing the noise to these wastrels’ homes are fighting the good fight and I applaud them.

Sorry, I don’t support picketing federal judges homes. Demonstrate somewhere else. This is how civil societies die. And it’s a distraction from the story.

Our civil society is already dead. It was dying but Trump was the kill shot.

Some of us are trying to save it. Again you are the problem—this stupid debate is a distraction from the real and urgent fear that women are feeling.

[Anonymous]

It’s been interesting reading this thread over the past… whenever as I’ve lost all sense of time. I’ve noticed that the trolls seem to have gone and there are more thoughtful conversations here which I really appreciate.

People we need to keep this feeling to keep us going for the next six months. We need to talk to everyone we know that they cannot vote for a Republican. I don’t care if it’s more dogcatcher, the entire party needs to feel the consequences of their decisions. We need to organize, volunteer, donate, and vote for schoolboard to Senate.

I live in DC so I have no representation but people in other states who have Democratic senators, you need to be calling your senators and demand they lay out a plan of action, not just tell people “vote in November” Their lack of a plan is unacceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

This is where I am. WHAT.DO.I.DO???? I"m not rich. I donate to the orgs, the candidates. I vote. I share information?
Where has that gotten me when a bunch of white dudes, and a woman-hating woman, can just snap away 50 years of precedent that has been reaffirmed many times over. The original Roe opinion was penned by a NIXON appointee, FFS.

Why are my human rights up for a vote? Up for a discussion about whether I'm entitled to them? WHy am I now demoted to little more than the worth of my uterus?

Talk to the men and women in your lives still voting for Republicans. They probably are at your dinner table every holiday.

That's the work that needs to happen. As a man, I promise you that men do not spend more than a moment's fleeting thought on abortion. They probably have no idea how many women in their lives have had an abortion. Vast majority of men have no clue that these laws in the South will criminalize IVF and abortions needed by women in danger (fetal abnormalities not compatible with life, miscarriages).

Men simply DO NOT KNOW. They are not curious enough to care, UNTIL it affects someone in their own life (wife, mother, sister, daughter). That's the sad reality. If you've had an abortion, you absolutely need to let the men in your life know.

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This. More women need to open about the the impact that their pregnancies, taken to term or otherwise, have had on their lives. Tired of old men talking about hypotheticals instead the real lived experience of women. It makes me utterly sick with rage. My son and husband have heard a lot more about my body in recent weeks. I’m not holding back. Privacy my ass, basic freedom to receive healthcare more like it.

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Look at how forced birthers speak about the fact that women will die. So that no one has to scroll back looking for stupid, I’ll quote it here:

Anonymous wrote:This is a leftist death porn fantasy. Not even a Catholic hospital would refuse surgery in this case And no, the Irish case is not a good example […]

These fools have no fcking idea what they’re talking about. But they vote, faithfully, like the good little fascist drones that they are. So talk to the fascist drones in your life, especially if you have personally needed to have an abortion. I have not every needed to avail myself of that option, but I have always known it was there and that has been nice, one less thing to hold down a woman’s soul as she goes about her day. Talk to your forced birther family.

Literally no clue.

And here I was just worrying about the maternal mortality rate in rural areas with limited access to non-Catholic hospitals. Welcome to your future Arlington and Alexandria moms.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what sort of surveillance and control will be implemented for this to happen

If ever there were two men who looked like they only wanted the babies to live long enough so they could eat them.

“If Roe is overturned, there’s already a criminal ban, there’s already an aiding and abetting ban, there’s already a ban on mailing medication abortion,” Sepper said. “In terms of law’s ability to change behavior, they’ve almost filled all the gaps — with the exception of criminalizing the pregnant person involved in an abortion.”

Folks, this will not get any better until the mainstream media starts asking Republicans, repeatedly, if *a woman who gets an abortion* should be charged with murder. The fact they consistently let Republicans slide on this crucial point is completely mystifying to me. When Republicans have to repeatedly go on record saying they are comfortable with the death penalty for women who get abortions—including rape victims—then and only then will things change.

I know there are journalists in the forum. Why do you continue to carry water for GOP? Do your frigging job!

Because they’re stupid, bad at their jobs and enjoy power. That’s literally the only conclusion. The “mainstream” media has gotten dumber and more right wing, like there’s some sort of brain disease spreading amongst them that makes them incredibly lazy and unwilling to crawl up a rapepublican’s butt - but more than willing to talk about absolute nonsense for weeks if it’s bad for Democrats.

This will send us back to the 1800s. I don’t understand why more people aren’t alarmed.

This. We’ve been talking about this for days and still basic errors and lack of understanding regarding the significance of the potential holding in the major papers. And they’re obsessing over the protests (which I don’t support) instead of the fear that women are feeling.

Correct for my tone here because I’m terrible at conveying messages in the right tone and I do not mean this to be hostile in the least, but look at your bolded sentence and tell me that the finger wagging patriarchy doesn’t still live a little inside your head (as it does in almost everyone’s to some degree). These “justices” - and they’re not that anymore, are they? They’re Talibangelicals on a Christianist Sharia tribunal - are literally about to make women slaves. They have affirmed the right to harass women at clinics, they have affirmed the right for forced birthers to harass clinic employees at their homes and they know full well how much violence forced birthers have commit.

The people (women) bringing the noise to these wastrels’ homes are fighting the good fight and I applaud them.

Sorry, I don’t support picketing federal judges homes. Demonstrate somewhere else. This is how civil societies die. And it’s a distraction from the story.

Our civil society is already dead. It was dying but Trump was the kill shot.

Some of us are trying to save it. Again you are the problem—this stupid debate is a distraction from the real and urgent fear that women are feeling.

It’s not a debate. It’s free speech. The Supreme Court has said it’s acceptable for others, and what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. And I was trying to be polite in pointing the fact that you are in some ways beholden to patriarchal ideas about appropriate behavior - they’re not being loud, annoying, harassing their children, trespassing, threatening violence, the neighbors welcome it - and you’re calling me “the problem.”

“The problem” is that the patriarchy is so deep in peoples’ bones and so unexamined that men and women vote for the complete decimation of women’s rights without a second thought to what it actually means. They literally spare no thoughts about liberty for women.

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Do you think the Court would hold up a law forbidding young women from getting sterilized? I do. It’s already impossibly difficult to get a doctor to take a young women’s wishes seriously in this regard.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what sort of surveillance and control will be implemented for this to happen

If ever there were two men who looked like they only wanted the babies to live long enough so they could eat them.

“If Roe is overturned, there’s already a criminal ban, there’s already an aiding and abetting ban, there’s already a ban on mailing medication abortion,” Sepper said. “In terms of law’s ability to change behavior, they’ve almost filled all the gaps — with the exception of criminalizing the pregnant person involved in an abortion.”

Folks, this will not get any better until the mainstream media starts asking Republicans, repeatedly, if *a woman who gets an abortion* should be charged with murder. The fact they consistently let Republicans slide on this crucial point is completely mystifying to me. When Republicans have to repeatedly go on record saying they are comfortable with the death penalty for women who get abortions—including rape victims—then and only then will things change.

I know there are journalists in the forum. Why do you continue to carry water for GOP? Do your frigging job!

Because they’re stupid, bad at their jobs and enjoy power. That’s literally the only conclusion. The “mainstream” media has gotten dumber and more right wing, like there’s some sort of brain disease spreading amongst them that makes them incredibly lazy and unwilling to crawl up a rapepublican’s butt - but more than willing to talk about absolute nonsense for weeks if it’s bad for Democrats.

This will send us back to the 1800s. I don’t understand why more people aren’t alarmed.

This. We’ve been talking about this for days and still basic errors and lack of understanding regarding the significance of the potential holding in the major papers. And they’re obsessing over the protests (which I don’t support) instead of the fear that women are feeling.

Correct for my tone here because I’m terrible at conveying messages in the right tone and I do not mean this to be hostile in the least, but look at your bolded sentence and tell me that the finger wagging patriarchy doesn’t still live a little inside your head (as it does in almost everyone’s to some degree). These “justices” - and they’re not that anymore, are they? They’re Talibangelicals on a Christianist Sharia tribunal - are literally about to make women slaves. They have affirmed the right to harass women at clinics, they have affirmed the right for forced birthers to harass clinic employees at their homes and they know full well how much violence forced birthers have commit.

The people (women) bringing the noise to these wastrels’ homes are fighting the good fight and I applaud them.

Sorry, I don’t support picketing federal judges homes. Demonstrate somewhere else. This is how civil societies die. And it’s a distraction from the story.

Our civil society is already dead. It was dying but Trump was the kill shot.

Some of us are trying to save it. Again you are the problem—this stupid debate is a distraction from the real and urgent fear that women are feeling.

It’s not a debate. It’s free speech. The Supreme Court has said it’s acceptable for others, and what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. And I was trying to be polite in pointing the fact that you are in some ways beholden to patriarchal ideas about appropriate behavior - they’re not being loud, annoying, harassing their children, trespassing, threatening violence, the neighbors welcome it - and you’re calling me “the problem.”

“The problem” is that the patriarchy is so deep in peoples’ bones and so unexamined that men and women vote for the complete decimation of women’s rights without a second thought to what it actually means. They literally spare no thoughts about liberty for women.

I was talking about your lack of strategic thinking as the problem. No point in picketing a judge’s house if it’s mot asvancing the ball. It’s not. It’s counterproductive. The press is given Hogan and Youngkin an opportunity to put their faces in the paper. Do you live here? Do you not see the problem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s been interesting reading this thread over the past… whenever as I’ve lost all sense of time. I’ve noticed that the trolls seem to have gone and there are more thoughtful conversations here which I really appreciate.

People we need to keep this feeling to keep us going for the next six months. We need to talk to everyone we know that they cannot vote for a Republican. I don’t care if it’s more dogcatcher, the entire party needs to feel the consequences of their decisions. We need to organize, volunteer, donate, and vote for schoolboard to Senate.

I live in DC so I have no representation but people in other states who have Democratic senators, you need to be calling your senators and demand they lay out a plan of action, not just tell people “vote in November” Their lack of a plan is unacceptable.

I'll add to this, if you live in a Blue state, consider working to flip gov't of states where they have trigger laws. These states are very close to flipping: AZ, MI, PA, WI.
Give to their state parties (expect PAA, give directly to Josh Shapiro running for Gov)
Give monthly - even $10 helps. Monthly giving helps teams plan and not waste $$ on TV ads (that have zero effect).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s been interesting reading this thread over the past… whenever as I’ve lost all sense of time. I’ve noticed that the trolls seem to have gone and there are more thoughtful conversations here which I really appreciate.

People we need to keep this feeling to keep us going for the next six months. We need to talk to everyone we know that they cannot vote for a Republican. I don’t care if it’s more dogcatcher, the entire party needs to feel the consequences of their decisions. We need to organize, volunteer, donate, and vote for schoolboard to Senate.

I live in DC so I have no representation but people in other states who have Democratic senators, you need to be calling your senators and demand they lay out a plan of action, not just tell people “vote in November” Their lack of a plan is unacceptable.

I'll add to this, if you live in a Blue state, consider working to flip gov't of states where they have trigger laws. These states are very close to flipping: AZ, MI, PA, WI.
Give to their state parties (expect PAA, give directly to Josh Shapiro running for Gov)
Give monthly - even $10 helps. Monthly giving helps teams plan and not waste $$ on TV ads (that have zero effect).

You can also rent a trailer there and register to vote. You don't even need to visit.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s been interesting reading this thread over the past… whenever as I’ve lost all sense of time. I’ve noticed that the trolls seem to have gone and there are more thoughtful conversations here which I really appreciate.

People we need to keep this feeling to keep us going for the next six months. We need to talk to everyone we know that they cannot vote for a Republican. I don’t care if it’s more dogcatcher, the entire party needs to feel the consequences of their decisions. We need to organize, volunteer, donate, and vote for schoolboard to Senate.

I live in DC so I have no representation but people in other states who have Democratic senators, you need to be calling your senators and demand they lay out a plan of action, not just tell people “vote in November” Their lack of a plan is unacceptable.

I'll add to this, if you live in a Blue state, consider working to flip gov't of states where they have trigger laws. These states are very close to flipping: AZ, MI, PA, WI.
Give to their state parties (expect PAA, give directly to Josh Shapiro running for Gov)
Give monthly - even $10 helps. Monthly giving helps teams plan and not waste $$ on TV ads (that have zero effect).

You can also rent a trailer there and register to vote. You don't even need to visit.

Lol. We’re Democrats, not Republicans. The law actually applies to us! (Thanks for the levity though)

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Anonymous wrote:It’s been interesting reading this thread over the past… whenever as I’ve lost all sense of time. I’ve noticed that the trolls seem to have gone and there are more thoughtful conversations here which I really appreciate.

People we need to keep this feeling to keep us going for the next six months. We need to talk to everyone we know that they cannot vote for a Republican. I don’t care if it’s more dogcatcher, the entire party needs to feel the consequences of their decisions. We need to organize, volunteer, donate, and vote for schoolboard to Senate.

I live in DC so I have no representation but people in other states who have Democratic senators, you need to be calling your senators and demand they lay out a plan of action, not just tell people “vote in November” Their lack of a plan is unacceptable.

Trolls are totally back. See e.g the posts encouraging illegal action.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what sort of surveillance and control will be implemented for this to happen

If ever there were two men who looked like they only wanted the babies to live long enough so they could eat them.

“If Roe is overturned, there’s already a criminal ban, there’s already an aiding and abetting ban, there’s already a ban on mailing medication abortion,” Sepper said. “In terms of law’s ability to change behavior, they’ve almost filled all the gaps — with the exception of criminalizing the pregnant person involved in an abortion.”

Folks, this will not get any better until the mainstream media starts asking Republicans, repeatedly, if *a woman who gets an abortion* should be charged with murder. The fact they consistently let Republicans slide on this crucial point is completely mystifying to me. When Republicans have to repeatedly go on record saying they are comfortable with the death penalty for women who get abortions—including rape victims—then and only then will things change.

I know there are journalists in the forum. Why do you continue to carry water for GOP? Do your frigging job!

Because they’re stupid, bad at their jobs and enjoy power. That’s literally the only conclusion. The “mainstream” media has gotten dumber and more right wing, like there’s some sort of brain disease spreading amongst them that makes them incredibly lazy and unwilling to crawl up a rapepublican’s butt - but more than willing to talk about absolute nonsense for weeks if it’s bad for Democrats.

This will send us back to the 1800s. I don’t understand why more people aren’t alarmed.

This. We’ve been talking about this for days and still basic errors and lack of understanding regarding the significance of the potential holding in the major papers. And they’re obsessing over the protests (which I don’t support) instead of the fear that women are feeling.

Correct for my tone here because I’m terrible at conveying messages in the right tone and I do not mean this to be hostile in the least, but look at your bolded sentence and tell me that the finger wagging patriarchy doesn’t still live a little inside your head (as it does in almost everyone’s to some degree). These “justices” - and they’re not that anymore, are they? They’re Talibangelicals on a Christianist Sharia tribunal - are literally about to make women slaves. They have affirmed the right to harass women at clinics, they have affirmed the right for forced birthers to harass clinic employees at their homes and they know full well how much violence forced birthers have commit.

The people (women) bringing the noise to these wastrels’ homes are fighting the good fight and I applaud them.

Sorry, I don’t support picketing federal judges homes. Demonstrate somewhere else. This is how civil societies die. And it’s a distraction from the story.

Our civil society is already dead. It was dying but Trump was the kill shot.

Some of us are trying to save it. Again you are the problem—this stupid debate is a distraction from the real and urgent fear that women are feeling.

It’s not a debate. It’s free speech. The Supreme Court has said it’s acceptable for others, and what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. And I was trying to be polite in pointing the fact that you are in some ways beholden to patriarchal ideas about appropriate behavior - they’re not being loud, annoying, harassing their children, trespassing, threatening violence, the neighbors welcome it - and you’re calling me “the problem.”

“The problem” is that the patriarchy is so deep in peoples’ bones and so unexamined that men and women vote for the complete decimation of women’s rights without a second thought to what it actually means. They literally spare no thoughts about liberty for women.

I was talking about your lack of strategic thinking as the problem. No point in picketing a judge’s house if it’s mot asvancing the ball. It’s not. It’s counterproductive. The press is given Hogan and Youngkin an opportunity to put their faces in the paper. Do you live here? Do you not see the problem?

I voted for Hogan and generally like him, but I was appalled by his decision to sign that letter. I think I'd have a hard time voting for him again after seeing his blatant attack on free speech.

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Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

PP, I hear your frustration. I would flip your framing, you aren’t fighting for your rights, SCOTUS/GOP are TAKING AWAY our rights. Voting for Dems has stopped even more horrible bills passing. Think back on the Trump years. Do we really want to go back to that? And todays GOP are even more unhinged.

I know this is an unsatisfactory response. Believe me, I’m disappointed in Dem Congressional leadership. But then I see leaders like Malloy McMarrow and Katie Porter and I have hope.

The history of this country has been about everyone but property-owning white men needing to fight for their rights...though the rights of non-property owning white men were often granted as a way to further oppress Black men (as opposed to hard-won fights). Most of those fights have been extremely bloody. Read about the suffragettes.

Why should we have to fight for these things? Because that's how power works.

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^^ PP again. And those property-owning white men fought for their rights vs. the British (and also got a bunch of others to fight for those rights as well).

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what sort of surveillance and control will be implemented for this to happen

If ever there were two men who looked like they only wanted the babies to live long enough so they could eat them.

“If Roe is overturned, there’s already a criminal ban, there’s already an aiding and abetting ban, there’s already a ban on mailing medication abortion,” Sepper said. “In terms of law’s ability to change behavior, they’ve almost filled all the gaps — with the exception of criminalizing the pregnant person involved in an abortion.”

Folks, this will not get any better until the mainstream media starts asking Republicans, repeatedly, if *a woman who gets an abortion* should be charged with murder. The fact they consistently let Republicans slide on this crucial point is completely mystifying to me. When Republicans have to repeatedly go on record saying they are comfortable with the death penalty for women who get abortions—including rape victims—then and only then will things change.

I know there are journalists in the forum. Why do you continue to carry water for GOP? Do your frigging job!

Because they’re stupid, bad at their jobs and enjoy power. That’s literally the only conclusion. The “mainstream” media has gotten dumber and more right wing, like there’s some sort of brain disease spreading amongst them that makes them incredibly lazy and unwilling to crawl up a rapepublican’s butt - but more than willing to talk about absolute nonsense for weeks if it’s bad for Democrats.

This will send us back to the 1800s. I don’t understand why more people aren’t alarmed.

This. We’ve been talking about this for days and still basic errors and lack of understanding regarding the significance of the potential holding in the major papers. And they’re obsessing over the protests (which I don’t support) instead of the fear that women are feeling.

Correct for my tone here because I’m terrible at conveying messages in the right tone and I do not mean this to be hostile in the least, but look at your bolded sentence and tell me that the finger wagging patriarchy doesn’t still live a little inside your head (as it does in almost everyone’s to some degree). These “justices” - and they’re not that anymore, are they? They’re Talibangelicals on a Christianist Sharia tribunal - are literally about to make women slaves. They have affirmed the right to harass women at clinics, they have affirmed the right for forced birthers to harass clinic employees at their homes and they know full well how much violence forced birthers have commit.

The people (women) bringing the noise to these wastrels’ homes are fighting the good fight and I applaud them.

Sorry, I don’t support picketing federal judges homes. Demonstrate somewhere else. This is how civil societies die. And it’s a distraction from the story.

Peaceful demonstrations?

If they are going to dive into the world of politics, they get demonstrations. They should have stuck to law.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what sort of surveillance and control will be implemented for this to happen

If ever there were two men who looked like they only wanted the babies to live long enough so they could eat them.

“If Roe is overturned, there’s already a criminal ban, there’s already an aiding and abetting ban, there’s already a ban on mailing medication abortion,” Sepper said. “In terms of law’s ability to change behavior, they’ve almost filled all the gaps — with the exception of criminalizing the pregnant person involved in an abortion.”

Folks, this will not get any better until the mainstream media starts asking Republicans, repeatedly, if *a woman who gets an abortion* should be charged with murder. The fact they consistently let Republicans slide on this crucial point is completely mystifying to me. When Republicans have to repeatedly go on record saying they are comfortable with the death penalty for women who get abortions—including rape victims—then and only then will things change.

I know there are journalists in the forum. Why do you continue to carry water for GOP? Do your frigging job!

Because they’re stupid, bad at their jobs and enjoy power. That’s literally the only conclusion. The “mainstream” media has gotten dumber and more right wing, like there’s some sort of brain disease spreading amongst them that makes them incredibly lazy and unwilling to crawl up a rapepublican’s butt - but more than willing to talk about absolute nonsense for weeks if it’s bad for Democrats.

This will send us back to the 1800s. I don’t understand why more people aren’t alarmed.

This. We’ve been talking about this for days and still basic errors and lack of understanding regarding the significance of the potential holding in the major papers. And they’re obsessing over the protests (which I don’t support) instead of the fear that women are feeling.

Correct for my tone here because I’m terrible at conveying messages in the right tone and I do not mean this to be hostile in the least, but look at your bolded sentence and tell me that the finger wagging patriarchy doesn’t still live a little inside your head (as it does in almost everyone’s to some degree). These “justices” - and they’re not that anymore, are they? They’re Talibangelicals on a Christianist Sharia tribunal - are literally about to make women slaves. They have affirmed the right to harass women at clinics, they have affirmed the right for forced birthers to harass clinic employees at their homes and they know full well how much violence forced birthers have commit.

The people (women) bringing the noise to these wastrels’ homes are fighting the good fight and I applaud them.

Sorry, I don’t support picketing federal judges homes. Demonstrate somewhere else. This is how civil societies die. And it’s a distraction from the story.

Peaceful demonstrations?

If they are going to dive into the world of politics, they get demonstrations. They should have stuck to law.

It’s still illegal. There is still rule of law. One terrible opinion doesn’t change that. I’m not big on behavior that puts federal judges homes at risk.