What happened to this California family?
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Anonymous
Maybe a friend gave them drugs and who knows where they dog it. You don't know how they got drugs or if they did. My best friend went to Las Vegas and someone gave her marijuana at a club. She never smoked before in her life and it was laced with LSD. She ended up in the hospital thinking she was dying. |
Anonymous
| got it*** |
Anonymous
Absolutely! It appears the father wasted no time relocating them away from Sf and might have felt it best to remove E from city temptations. Idk if she slept or didn’t sleep, I do consider perhaps she wasn’t overly maternal and J employed a nanny as backup during his work hours. Like someone posted yesterday, we don’t even know if the baby was alive when they left for the forest. No one has mentioned seeing the family Saturday. We know from media reports Friday J did run some errands and had the baby in the museum I don’t know if E was with them, the museum owner commented about J explaining exhibits to his little girl. Maybe they had a daddy-daughter day out? It is all very weird. |
Anonymous
Like the Sheriff said, nothing is ruled out. FYI: some things did get ruled out after his comment. |
Anonymous
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Keep in mind IF this is a drug related incident it does not necessarily implicate either of the deceased. Anyone in their home prior to Sunday will be on the hot seat, until ruled out.
With the potency of carfentanil and fentanyl a few grains is all that is needed to kill several people. Like the SO said recently “this will more than likely be a very lengthy investigation.” Kind of rules out the HS theory, huh? |
Anonymous
Indeed it does. There’s so many ways things could have went down. Stating this might be a lengthy investigation is quite telling. Almost as if he’s saying he knows what they died from and now has to find the responsible party. Yikes. I think Sheriff Briese is extremely stressed over this, almost scared. Not because he knew the family but sincerely worried about wth happened. When he ruled out murder he was quite specific. He ruled out the obvious gunshot, blunt force and that type of murder. |
Anonymous
Lot's of parents move out of major cities to quieter suburbs when they have babies. SF isn't the nice city it used to be. |
Anonymous
I found it because a poster on another website provided a link to it. |
Anonymous
It was linked in this post on the first few pages. I looked through it b4 the trolls apparently got to it and started leaving nasty comments and rumors. |
Anonymous
No, I don’t think heat stroke is ruled out, especially when people die in 100+ degree weather after a long hike. Sure, there could have been complicating factors as well. |
Anonymous
One comment SS on another forum (maybe Lipstick Alley) was from a friend of E’s. It was not particularly nasty in nature, more “I was afraid you’d do this.” Wth? I withhold judgement. I have no clue what occurred, other than what the sheriff and his spokeswoman released. MSM reports are inconsistent. It appears a few tests returned quickly ruling out alga and hazmat. Is it possible they pissed someone in the area off? Someone that knew they hiked and lied in wait at the end of the trail? Would strangulation be detectable to the naked eye.. I doubt it. The pathologist apparently will not release cause of deaths without toxicology. Is he saying he knows cause but prefers to have all documentation? As previously discussed, perhaps someone put something in their water bladder. Someone with access to their home that knew they hiked every weekend. Why did no one find it strange the family never cancelled their nanny for Monday yet felt no need to report them missing? If they could not reach them by text, phone, email and knew they hiked most weekends it seems like one of them might have considered an accident occurred. This seems to me to be so much more than what’s reported and what so many wish to believe. If I guessed & listed potential causes of deaths, heat would be the very last item on my list. I’m most interested in postmortem body positions. I once managed a large complex for seniors and disabled persons. Most suffered from alcohol and drug addictions as well as lifelong lack of healthcare and poor habits such as chain smoking, lack of exercise and proper nutrition. I found a deceased resident pretty much weekly. Generally, another tenant would advise me Mr. So and So’s TV has been on all night or Mrs. Opiod hasn’t been out for three days, all apartment doors opened to the interior halls so it was very easy to miss someone that was normally in the common areas. After being alerted, iI’d grab my master key to investigate and sadly find another deceased resident. While no expert in forensics, I discovered hundreds of bodies in various positions. Many on the floor, some in bed, some hanging off their bed, some in front of their commode, some dying at their breakfast table with a chair toppling over on them after gravity pulled them to the floor and so forth. I only recall finding one deceased in what I guess was considered a sitting position. He was in a recliner with the chair recliner in the maximum position but if not for the sturdiness of the chair I believe he would have toppled over as his upper body was resting on the padded chair arm. Not to be overly graphic but often someone had been dead for as long as a week before anyone mentioned not seeing them. We didn’t have roll call, it was independent living, no one was obligated to report sh*t. I had the coroner on speed dial (from office phone) and had to let her in the deceased’s apartment, answer a litany of questions. Basic stuff, who alerted you, when was she last seen, blah blah. When the coroner thought something was suspicious and required LE it was always because of the deceased’s position. And, not every deceased person died a normal death. Synthetic drugs had just hit the streets so we had a lot of ODs. Once, a female resident around 40 stopped by my office to report a minor maintenance issue, she was headed back to her third floor unit. I advised her I’d send maintenance up stat. The maintenance man on duty was also a police sergeant. In less than ten minutes he was at the woman’s door, knocking & calling her name. After getting no answer he used his master to gain entry. She was dead on the floor! He called the coroner from the woman’s doorway. This woman was a known addict so it was no surprise to learn she overdosed. Weeks later it was determined to be fentanyl. |
Anonymous
If death was caused by a toxic agent, heat played no part. The sheriff did say dehydration was unlikely since they had water remaining. If at any moment during their hike things became intolerable they could have turned around and backtracked. Afaik they started around 8a.m. |
Anonymous
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You can bet at least one pathologist was brought to the scene,
even if he had to be dropped in by chopper. It would be the pathologist to determine if the scene required a crime scene unit. The Sheriff-coroner has little training in forensics, he’s an elected official, not a CoD expert. Forensic pathologists perform autopsies to determine what caused a person's death. They are also involved in the investigation of the circumstances surrounding the death. Knowing about these circumstances allows them to determine the manner of death—natural, accident, suicide, homicide, or undetermined. |
Anonymous
| This has murder suicide written all over it. Why people wanna sugarcoat this escapes me. |
Anonymous
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Maybe he was having an affair with the nanny, and she tried to poison the wife with the water bladder.
Druggies in the area could have left traces of fentanyl in the environment, which they could have accidentally touched. |