What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

I’m going to post this snippet, Nothing new but there was some rude responses when a poster mentioned LE investigations:

The missing persons call came from a nanny who then told the couple's house manager.

Briese says the family members are avid hikers.






He believes the couple lived in Mariposa County for the last year and a half and hiked the area before.

"What we do know is that they are residents from Mariposa," he said. "They are new residents to the county. He is an engineer from the UK, and she was from Southern California. I believe they met and were living in San Francisco before they moved to Mariposa."

Authorities say there is no obvious trauma and no signs indicating the cause of death, so they have brought in the Department of Justice forensic team to analyze the scene along with Lemoore Air Support and California Highway Patrol.

[Anonymous]

I doubt they just smoked pot, if they did drugs. I'd guess shrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think the pot laced with fentanyl is the same pot that these upper class people would buy. Fancier people don't buy pot from strange street people.

Bingo. It’s legal. You can get it good stiff from a dispensary. That cannabis is regulated amd there is not fentanyl.

Cultivation and sales of marijuana are not legal in Mariposa County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to post this snippet, Nothing new but there was some rude responses when a poster mentioned LE investigations:

The missing persons call came from a nanny who then told the couple's house manager.

Briese says the family members are avid hikers.

He believes the couple lived in Mariposa County for the last year and a half and hiked the area before.

"What we do know is that they are residents from Mariposa," he said. "They are new residents to the county. He is an engineer from the UK, and she was from Southern California. I believe they met and were living in San Francisco before they moved to Mariposa."

Authorities say there is no obvious trauma and no signs indicating the cause of death, so they have brought in the Department of Justice forensic team to analyze the scene along with Lemoore Air Support and California Highway Patrol.

A house manager? I must have been under a rock. Is that different from a housekeeper?

So they had a full time nanny and a house manager. Interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to post this snippet, Nothing new but there was some rude responses when a poster mentioned LE investigations:

The missing persons call came from a nanny who then told the couple's house manager.

Briese says the family members are avid hikers.






He believes the couple lived in Mariposa County for the last year and a half and hiked the area before.

"What we do know is that they are residents from Mariposa," he said. "They are new residents to the county. He is an engineer from the UK, and she was from Southern California. I believe they met and were living in San Francisco before they moved to Mariposa."

Authorities say there is no obvious trauma and no signs indicating the cause of death, so they have brought in the Department of Justice forensic team to analyze the scene along with Lemoore Air Support and California Highway Patrol.

It’s a bunch of BS when a poster states reading or seeing something and someone that has not acts belligerent, accusing OP of lying basically.
Some of us read more, have different sources and contacts and so on.

Of course LE is running an investigation and the crime scene units were at the scene many days. Remember, when this first broke Sheriff said “ there were few clues.” He did not say “No clues.” Now, we don’t know what clues he referenced but it was not “heat” because that is not a clue and if heat deaths can’t be determined easily in autopsy a sheriff sure can’t determine by looking.
I suggest the biggest clue was finding a dead msn sitting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I doubt they just smoked pot, if they did drugs. I'd guess shrooms.

Absolutely 💯 agree they didn’t smoke. Too dirty. Designer drugs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to post this snippet, Nothing new but there was some rude responses when a poster mentioned LE investigations:

The missing persons call came from a nanny who then told the couple's house manager.

Briese says the family members are avid hikers.

He believes the couple lived in Mariposa County for the last year and a half and hiked the area before.

"What we do know is that they are residents from Mariposa," he said. "They are new residents to the county. He is an engineer from the UK, and she was from Southern California. I believe they met and were living in San Francisco before they moved to Mariposa."

Authorities say there is no obvious trauma and no signs indicating the cause of death, so they have brought in the Department of Justice forensic team to analyze the scene along with Lemoore Air Support and California Highway Patrol.

A house manager? I must have been under a rock. Is that different from a housekeeper?

So they had a full time nanny and a house manager. Interesting.

The house manager is probably the person that handles their rentals. Mariposa has a lot of rental management firms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to post this snippet, Nothing new but there was some rude responses when a poster mentioned LE investigations:

The missing persons call came from a nanny who then told the couple's house manager.

Briese says the family members are avid hikers.






He believes the couple lived in Mariposa County for the last year and a half and hiked the area before.

"What we do know is that they are residents from Mariposa," he said. "They are new residents to the county. He is an engineer from the UK, and she was from Southern California. I believe they met and were living in San Francisco before they moved to Mariposa."

Authorities say there is no obvious trauma and no signs indicating the cause of death, so they have brought in the Department of Justice forensic team to analyze the scene along with Lemoore Air Support and California Highway Patrol.

It’s a bunch of BS when a poster states reading or seeing something and someone that has not acts belligerent, accusing OP of lying basically.
Some of us read more, have different sources and contacts and so on.

Of course LE is running an investigation and the crime scene units were at the scene many days. Remember, when this first broke Sheriff said “ there were few clues.” He did not say “No clues.” Now, we don’t know what clues he referenced but it was not “heat” because that is not a clue and if heat deaths can’t be determined easily in autopsy a sheriff sure can’t determine by looking.
I suggest the biggest clue was finding a dead msn sitting.

A lot of people on forums are just miserable, hateful women. They try to puss people off hoping to make them miserable too.
Some get too involved in a thread and fear their theory is wrong and become argumentative. Nothing is static in cases like this, deets change as deets come in.
It’s really pathetic for adults to fight online over something that doesn’t even pertain to them. The purpose of this is to discuss, not tear someone down. The world is tragic enough right now without unwarranted nastiness over differing opinions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I didn’t know the family but know someone who does, and she said they were a sweet family. I don’t know anything about the family or their timeline. But for cultural context, Burning Man, integral psychology, getting married after pregnancy/baby… none of these are a big deal at all in the Bay Area and are barely even fringe they’re so common. So the people spinning off theories about murder/suicide are really reaching.

I agree. But as far as what people say, idk. Because people do not meet new friends and discuss their personal feelings and state of mind.
I once spent an entire day with a guy friend. His wife took their little boys to a carnival & he didn’t want to attend because she was going with another boy mom. That evening we were hosting a large field party and the couple had a sitter lined up for after the carnival. I last saw my friend at 4:30. At 6:30 i drive back to help prepare for our bash. Traffic was stopped for miles and miles. I eventually was directed to turn around, so I headed back home. This was a very rural setting so one way in/out to the field. As I drove home my phone was exploding. My friend had shot himself in the head at 5pm. His wife and kids found him upon returning from the school carnival. I never understood what was wrong. I knew them for years, they were a good looking couple with a brand new house, twin boys, great careers and appeared to be the perfect all American family.
When I got to their house that morning, the wife was still getting ready and her husband was sitting under a huge tree reading Bible verses to the twins. He went trail riding with a huge group of us regular trail riders. No one noticed a thing. He talked, laughed, seemed eager for the party that evening, had ordered a new truck and seemed excited for its arrival, talked about building a barn and getting horses for his family, etc.

Omg this is terrible do people
Know what happened did he leave a note at all
Or anything?

No. Nothing.
I only shared this because it really brings home the fact we can never know what’s going on in someone’s head.

I am sorry for your loss.

I had a similar situation with a guy friend in college. We hung out with some others, he seemed fine. Later that night he killed himself. He had seemed fine in the days leading up to that night, it was not a, "he was depressed then felt relieved when he had a plan" - he seemed normal, talked about travel plans, etc.

You just never know indeed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mariposa has a population of less than 2,000 and they were not even that close to the town.

I think he actually liked it there, he had been buying property there long before Ellen.

But for covid, not sure their lifestyle would have changed so suddenly and radically.

I wonder if he had kids from his prior marriage that he wanted to be closer to?

30 is young for a mom in SF, I doubt many of their burner friends were having families yet.

She looked really different in the 1 year photos.

Many who are drawn to study counseling are trying to figure out their family of origin or own deep seated mental health problems.

In more populated areas, moms with potential PPD would be encouraged to connect and socialize with other moms of babies, the median age in Mariposa is in their 50s and it was a 20 mile drive. The whole set up sounds really difficult. Maybe the idea of another winter there seemed like too much, so isolated. And if Jon was very doting with the baby, she may have felt jealous or left out. I have seen that happen.

Not many places for "date nights" or to dj. I assume they would avoid SF b/c baby and covid. I imagine his apartment there was rented out.

I still think it could have been accidental, but risk taking/dopamine chasing played a role and the extreme heat had to be a factor, even if it was one of several.

That's nonsense. All of your post is pure speculation but that part is nonsense.

Are you a parent? Or are you one of the true crime types who has descended on this parenting board?

Social support is very important for new moms, esp new moms who are struggling. Your ignorance is troubling.

https://www.postpartumdepression.com/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201301/new-moms-need-social-support

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC4720860/

https://www.medibank.com.au/livebetter/families/new-parents/the-hidden-benefits-of-mothers-groups/

Being very socially isolated is not healthy. In fact, isolating is a common sign of depression. https://publichealth.tulane.edu/blog/effects-of-social-isolation-on-mental-health/

I think she wants to argue. If she finds the discussion upsetting, idk why she reads.
Thank you for informative links.

As far as isolation there really was no way for a pregnant woman to avoid it in the midst of a global pandemic. That had to be difficult, probably months passed with no socialization other than online. Any outings probably consisted of seeing her doctor and doula.

NP but I think the poster above was just saying it’s “nonsense” that in more populated areas you can automatically expect moms w PPD to be directed to support groups or mom groups. Like it’s a given that anyone w potential PPD would find the support they need if they live in a city vs in a rural area. The reality is people suffer w PPD no matter where they live although it does make finding support easier if you live in a place w a wider network of people/resources.

Whether people find support is individual but any large city is more likely to have more new moms than an extremely rural area with a median age in the 50s. The town of Mariposa was 20 miles away with a population of 1,800, yes, under 2k. How many new moms do you think are there vs. in SF? The median age in Mariposa is over 50, so, how many new moms? How many activities for babies and parents where they might connect with others in the same life transition in Mariposa, 20 miles away, vs in SF? Rural life is isolating in part because there are a lot fewer people at way less density. It also tends to be a place without newcomers, so making friends might be more difficult than a transient place like DC. But, can't connect with other new moms if there literally are none. Cv closures likely did not help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Mariposa has a population of less than 2,000 and they were not even that close to the town.

I think he actually liked it there, he had been buying property there long before Ellen.

But for covid, not sure their lifestyle would have changed so suddenly and radically.

I wonder if he had kids from his prior marriage that he wanted to be closer to?

30 is young for a mom in SF, I doubt many of their burner friends were having families yet.

She looked really different in the 1 year photos.

Many who are drawn to study counseling are trying to figure out their family of origin or own deep seated mental health problems.

In more populated areas, moms with potential PPD would be encouraged to connect and socialize with other moms of babies, the median age in Mariposa is in their 50s and it was a 20 mile drive. The whole set up sounds really difficult. Maybe the idea of another winter there seemed like too much, so isolated. And if Jon was very doting with the baby, she may have felt jealous or left out. I have seen that happen.

Not many places for "date nights" or to dj. I assume they would avoid SF b/c baby and covid. I imagine his apartment there was rented out.

I still think it could have been accidental, but risk taking/dopamine chasing played a role and the extreme heat had to be a factor, even if it was one of several.

That's nonsense. All of your post is pure speculation but that part is nonsense.

Are you a parent? Or are you one of the true crime types who has descended on this parenting board?

Social support is very important for new moms, esp new moms who are struggling. Your ignorance is troubling.

https://www.postpartumdepression.com/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201301/new-moms-need-social-support

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC4720860/

https://www.medibank.com.au/livebetter/families/new-parents/the-hidden-benefits-of-mothers-groups/

Being very socially isolated is not healthy. In fact, isolating is a common sign of depression. https://publichealth.tulane.edu/blog/effects-of-social-isolation-on-mental-health/

I think she wants to argue. If she finds the discussion upsetting, idk why she reads.
Thank you for informative links.

As far as isolation there really was no way for a pregnant woman to avoid it in the midst of a global pandemic. That had to be difficult, probably months passed with no socialization other than online. Any outings probably consisted of seeing her doctor and doula.

NP but I think the poster above was just saying it’s “nonsense” that in more populated areas you can automatically expect moms w PPD to be directed to support groups or mom groups. Like it’s a given that anyone w potential PPD would find the support they need if they live in a city vs in a rural area. The reality is people suffer w PPD no matter where they live although it does make finding support easier if you live in a place w a wider network of people/resources.

Whether people find support is individual but any large city is more likely to have more new moms than an extremely rural area with a median age in the 50s. The town of Mariposa was 20 miles away with a population of 1,800, yes, under 2k. How many new moms do you think are there vs. in SF? The median age in Mariposa is over 50, so, how many new moms? How many activities for babies and parents where they might connect with others in the same life transition in Mariposa, 20 miles away, vs in SF? Rural life is isolating in part because there are a lot fewer people at way less density. It also tends to be a place without newcomers, so making friends might be more difficult than a transient place like DC. But, can't connect with other new moms if there literally are none. Cv closures likely did not help.

Excellent points.
I hope nothing was wrong in their personal lives and it was as good as people believe. Real friendship takes time to develop. Ellen might have had people to socialize with that she really wouldn’t consider friends. I think she’d have little in common with people in Mariposa.

A friend sent me a video of her first granddaughter taking her first steps today, she shared a bday with Ellen’s baby. It made me wonder if she ever got to take that first step…😥.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think the pot laced with fentanyl is the same pot that these upper class people would buy. Fancier people don't buy pot from strange street people.

The problem is carfentanil and fentanyl get pressed (mixed) into other tablets and small dealers don’t know what they are buying to resell.


Ellen was a strict vegan. Even the baker in Mariposa said when Ellen stopped by she bought sugar free and gluten free donuts only. I doubt she smoked weed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Mariposa has a population of less than 2,000 and they were not even that close to the town.

I think he actually liked it there, he had been buying property there long before Ellen.

But for covid, not sure their lifestyle would have changed so suddenly and radically.

I wonder if he had kids from his prior marriage that he wanted to be closer to?

30 is young for a mom in SF, I doubt many of their burner friends were having families yet.

She looked really different in the 1 year photos.

Many who are drawn to study counseling are trying to figure out their family of origin or own deep seated mental health problems.

In more populated areas, moms with potential PPD would be encouraged to connect and socialize with other moms of babies, the median age in Mariposa is in their 50s and it was a 20 mile drive. The whole set up sounds really difficult. Maybe the idea of another winter there seemed like too much, so isolated. And if Jon was very doting with the baby, she may have felt jealous or left out. I have seen that happen.

Not many places for "date nights" or to dj. I assume they would avoid SF b/c baby and covid. I imagine his apartment there was rented out.

I still think it could have been accidental, but risk taking/dopamine chasing played a role and the extreme heat had to be a factor, even if it was one of several.

That's nonsense. All of your post is pure speculation but that part is nonsense.

Are you a parent? Or are you one of the true crime types who has descended on this parenting board?

Social support is very important for new moms, esp new moms who are struggling. Your ignorance is troubling.

https://www.postpartumdepression.com/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201301/new-moms-need-social-support

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC4720860/

https://www.medibank.com.au/livebetter/families/new-parents/the-hidden-benefits-of-mothers-groups/

Being very socially isolated is not healthy. In fact, isolating is a common sign of depression. https://publichealth.tulane.edu/blog/effects-of-social-isolation-on-mental-health/

I think she wants to argue. If she finds the discussion upsetting, idk why she reads.
Thank you for informative links.

As far as isolation there really was no way for a pregnant woman to avoid it in the midst of a global pandemic. That had to be difficult, probably months passed with no socialization other than online. Any outings probably consisted of seeing her doctor and doula.

NP but I think the poster above was just saying it’s “nonsense” that in more populated areas you can automatically expect moms w PPD to be directed to support groups or mom groups. Like it’s a given that anyone w potential PPD would find the support they need if they live in a city vs in a rural area. The reality is people suffer w PPD no matter where they live although it does make finding support easier if you live in a place w a wider network of people/resources.

Whether people find support is individual but any large city is more likely to have more new moms than an extremely rural area with a median age in the 50s. The town of Mariposa was 20 miles away with a population of 1,800, yes, under 2k. How many new moms do you think are there vs. in SF? The median age in Mariposa is over 50, so, how many new moms? How many activities for babies and parents where they might connect with others in the same life transition in Mariposa, 20 miles away, vs in SF? Rural life is isolating in part because there are a lot fewer people at way less density. It also tends to be a place without newcomers, so making friends might be more difficult than a transient place like DC. But, can't connect with other new moms if there literally are none. Cv closures likely did not help.

Excellent points.
I hope nothing was wrong in their personal lives and it was as good as people believe. Real friendship takes time to develop. Ellen might have had people to socialize with that she really wouldn’t consider friends. I think she’d have little in common with people in Mariposa.

A friend sent me a video of her first granddaughter taking her first steps today, she shared a bday with Ellen’s baby. It made me wonder if she ever got to take that first step…😥.

I will say I really don't know what happened, but I can see this could be related to Ellen and I sort of "get it" in terms of being wildly unhappy on her part. As a PP said, Ellen was a pretty young mom for a "city girl" with a guy almost 15 years older than her. I think it is not out of the realm of possibility this could have been an accidental pregnancy, one which he (in his 40s) was super psyched about and that she had hesitations about. Their relationship moved quickly and they mostly had fun times traveling and partying, but with the pregnancy, sh+t got real. Add in moving to the middle of nowhere, a traumatic brain injury on her part (with accompanying emotional issues, possibly), being COVID isolated, and possible PPD? That does not sound great. As PPs mentioned, if it is true that she mostly slept the day away with a nanny onsite and a house manager (?) while the father was called out for being very very involved? I would not accuse her of a crime but it does seem she had a lot to be unhappy about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think the pot laced with fentanyl is the same pot that these upper class people would buy. Fancier people don't buy pot from strange street people.

The problem is carfentanil and fentanyl get pressed (mixed) into other tablets and small dealers don’t know what they are buying to resell.


Ellen was a strict vegan. Even the baker in Mariposa said when Ellen stopped by she bought sugar free and gluten free donuts only. I doubt she smoked weed.

Yeah, why would anyone think vegans are pot types. .

But I highly doubt, pun, that they smoked it.

[Anonymous]

This all seems very suspicious to me. The baby turned one, the couple had two year wedding anniversary coming up. I can’t help but think the mystery in the forest was a well planned FU moment carried out by a very ill woman.

No one else died and hundreds of other people played in the heat and water that day. They all survived.