Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this irrelevant to the case?

It’s relevant to the question of whether or not she was an employee. Wayfarer is arguing, and I agree, that she had far too much power to be considered an employee. If she is ruled an independent contractor she can’t even bring her title 7 claims.

I don't think the squabbling over which cut was released is relevant to whether or not she was an employee on the set. Wayfarer was the shooting studio, they ran the set. The question is whether or not Lively was an employee or an independent contractor *on that set* since that's where the alleged harassment is supposed to have taken place.

All the stuff about which cut was released is related to post-production, distribution, and marketing. Sony was the distribution studio. Blake isn't suing Sony and there's no conversation about whether she was an employee of Sony's.

I just don't think which cut Sony chose to release has any bearing on whether Blake was an employee on the set of the movie. They are separate operations, as per the agreement between Wayfarer and Sony.

Wrong. This entire debacle with the cut shows that both wayfarer and Blake were independent entities negotiating terms with a third independent entity (Sony). If Blake were an employee that could not happen period. When’s the last time you went to one of your employer’s business partners and negotiated for your own interests in contradiction to your employer’s?

I'm not even arguing that Blake was an employee of the movie -- I tend to think she was probably an independent contractor, though I'm waiting to see what the court says because there are some situations where an IC may be deemed an employee simply for the application of certain protective statutes, so I'm trying to stay open minded.

But even IF she was an employee of the movie, that employment ended with the filming ended. So Blake was no longer an employee when the bake off was happening.

I also disagree that Blake was arguing against Wayfarer's interests. She might have been arguing against Justin's personal interests, but I do think Blake was trying to ensure a successful and profitable film release. I actually think this is a major reason Sony went with her cut. She's trying to sell the movie. She's getting Colleen on board, she's taking it to Book Bonanza to get Colleen's fans on board, she's getting Taylor's song for the trailer, etc. I think Blake was trying to sell the heck out of the movie. Justin and Wayfarer were not, and that was the problem. Justin was going on vacation, he was begging out of marketing commitments claiming a back injury, etc. And if Wayfarere really did hire TAG and Jed Wallace to attack Lively online as the movie was coming out, that is also counter to the interests of the movie, which is counter to Sony's interests, as well as of course Blake's.

This has been something that annoyed me from the start. If I were Sony and I saw those text messages from Jen Abel's phone, I'm pissed because Sony had a lot invested in the movie being successful, plus they are dealing with this meltdown between Justin and Blake and all the bickering back and forth. They just want to successfully launch the movie and make money. In that situation, if I then found out that Justin had hired a PR team to try and go after the star of the film as the film was premiering? Honestly, in that situation I'd be suing Wayfarer for breach of our partnership agreement because that could jeopardize my money as the distributing studio. I think this is likely why Sony came out in support of Blake when she filed her complaint, because those texts make Justin and Wayfarer look pretty duplicitous from Sony's perspective. Even if you understand why Justin thought he had to do that to protect himself, going after the star of your own movie the week it premieres is bad behavior, made worse if another studio has millions on the line as part of a distribution agreement.

I stopped reading when you said the bake off was not part of her employment. Marketing is a huge part of an actor’s role in the film and of course marketing promotion is part of their job. She still had the power at that time to stop promoting the movie which would have been disastrous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this irrelevant to the case?

It’s relevant to the question of whether or not she was an employee. Wayfarer is arguing, and I agree, that she had far too much power to be considered an employee. If she is ruled an independent contractor she can’t even bring her title 7 claims.

I don't think the squabbling over which cut was released is relevant to whether or not she was an employee on the set. Wayfarer was the shooting studio, they ran the set. The question is whether or not Lively was an employee or an independent contractor *on that set* since that's where the alleged harassment is supposed to have taken place.

All the stuff about which cut was released is related to post-production, distribution, and marketing. Sony was the distribution studio. Blake isn't suing Sony and there's no conversation about whether she was an employee of Sony's.

I just don't think which cut Sony chose to release has any bearing on whether Blake was an employee on the set of the movie. They are separate operations, as per the agreement between Wayfarer and Sony.

The fact that Blake, who was nominally an actress, made her own cut is extremely relevant to her employment status. How many non-director, actors make their own cut? It all goes into the calculus of whether she had more control than a normal emp”eye send the answers is a definite yes with the facts that you are pushing.

She wasn't just an actress, she was also an executive producer:

"Yes, an executive producer (EP) can make their own cut of a film, particularly if they control the financing, own the production rights, or if the director lacks final cut authority. While usually focusing on business, EPs often review the editor's cut and can hire others to re-edit or reshoot scenes to ensure the project matches the studio's vision."

An executive producer is not inherently an independent contractor; they are generally considered employees under IRS and state labor laws if the production company controls their work. While they may operate through their own loan-out corporations to contract for services, they often fall under employee status due to the "right to control" exercised by studios or production companies.

But she never signed her contract so that’s a problem for her.

[Anonymous]

Can someone speak to Blake’s fashion? Twenty years ago she was the fashion “it” girl and looked great. In recent years she looks really, really bad. Is she her own stylist or do her professional stylists she employs just secretly hate her and dress her like crap?

[Anonymous]

Just saw a different angle and more audio from the dancing scene that I had not seen last year and I’m not sure anyone has.

You’ll recall a major claim of Blake is that justin kissed her unscripted.

Well, the new video completely blows a hole in that. The assistant director is shouting out directions - they’re going to film the dancing scene as people are celebrating the game in the background. Justin says let’s have you stand here, and then I’m going try to kiss you, Blake says “great!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone speak to Blake’s fashion? Twenty years ago she was the fashion “it” girl and looked great. In recent years she looks really, really bad. Is she her own stylist or do her professional stylists she employs just secretly hate her and dress her like crap?

The theory about why she looks so bad in the movie was that she was trying to hide her body and now that I have seen the multiple texts and emails and her freak out over her weight I believe it.

I personally think she’s looked fine on red carpets lately, but was really surprised by her fashion choices in the movie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone speak to Blake’s fashion? Twenty years ago she was the fashion “it” girl and looked great. In recent years she looks really, really bad. Is she her own stylist or do her professional stylists she employs just secretly hate her and dress her like crap?

The theory about why she looks so bad in the movie was that she was trying to hide her body and now that I have seen the multiple texts and emails and her freak out over her weight I believe it.

I personally think she’s looked fine on red carpets lately, but was really surprised by her fashion choices in the movie.

Even at the premiere, she was drowning in bangles and she did the same to Isabella. So odd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just saw a different angle and more audio from the dancing scene that I had not seen last year and I’m not sure anyone has.

You’ll recall a major claim of Blake is that justin kissed her unscripted.

Well, the new video completely blows a hole in that. The assistant director is shouting out directions - they’re going to film the dancing scene as people are celebrating the game in the background. Justin says let’s have you stand here, and then I’m going try to kiss you, Blake says “great!”

This was probably the audio that was just released publicly two days ago. Constantly getting worse for Blake’s case.

[Anonymous]

Blake has horrific taste. Eye of the beholder but she is awful looking, and that video of her speaking about her stupid uncomfortable shoes, with her fake rack mid-breastfeeding spilling out and her entire ungainly look was certainly a choice.

She was not in shape mentally or physically for this role but she thought she could force everyone to ooh and ahh at her beauty as much as at anything else, so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Blake has horrific taste. Eye of the beholder but she is awful looking, and that video of her speaking about her stupid uncomfortable shoes, with her fake rack mid-breastfeeding spilling out and her entire ungainly look was certainly a choice.

She was not in shape mentally or physically for this role but she thought she could force everyone to ooh and ahh at her beauty as much as at anything else, so.

Your rabid hatred is bizarre. Her lack of physical appeal (!) certainly didn't deter the massive viewing of this film.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake has horrific taste. Eye of the beholder but she is awful looking, and that video of her speaking about her stupid uncomfortable shoes, with her fake rack mid-breastfeeding spilling out and her entire ungainly look was certainly a choice.

She was not in shape mentally or physically for this role but she thought she could force everyone to ooh and ahh at her beauty as much as at anything else, so.

I’ve always thought Blake was very attractive and looks amazing on red carpets. It makes me so sad to see how deeply insecure she is. Hollywood is not kind to women as they age. It seems like she’s going to have a lot of trouble adapting to that in the coming years and this lawsuit and PR crash out has not helped.

She and Ryan should just move the family somewhere quieter out of the city and just enjoy their wealth, but they won’t do it. It’s always more and more and more with them seems like. I predict a lot of plastic surgery, poorly staged pap walks and more bought media for them in the future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Blake has horrific taste. Eye of the beholder but she is awful looking, and that video of her speaking about her stupid uncomfortable shoes, with her fake rack mid-breastfeeding spilling out and her entire ungainly look was certainly a choice.

She was not in shape mentally or physically for this role but she thought she could force everyone to ooh and ahh at her beauty as much as at anything else, so.

I’ve always thought Blake was very attractive and looks amazing on red carpets. It makes me so sad to see how deeply insecure she is. Hollywood is not kind to women as they age. It seems like she’s going to have a lot of trouble adapting to that in the coming years and this lawsuit and PR crash out has not helped.

She and Ryan should just move the family somewhere quieter out of the city and just enjoy their wealth, but they won’t do it. It’s always more and more and more with them seems like. I predict a lot of plastic surgery, poorly staged pap walks and more bought media for them in the future.

Team Justin and I agree with this. I remember watching the movie and initially thinking “Blake looks fat”. But as the movie went on I started to think well good for her and the filmmakers for breaking down stereotypes and showing a normal sized lead actress (this is all before the scandal). I remember thinking this is good for the industry. Little did I know all the turmoil and insecurity behind the scenes.

[Anonymous]

Another Justin supporter here, I question Blake’s fashion sense but not the fact she’s beautiful. I do think a lot of the entitlement we see comes not only from being married to a very wealthy celebrity, but how she was treated as an even more beautiful teenager on a hit show. As we saw with Friends (where the actors were older), some actors can handle that early success and some are ruined by it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blake has horrific taste. Eye of the beholder but she is awful looking, and that video of her speaking about her stupid uncomfortable shoes, with her fake rack mid-breastfeeding spilling out and her entire ungainly look was certainly a choice.

She was not in shape mentally or physically for this role but she thought she could force everyone to ooh and ahh at her beauty as much as at anything else, so.

I’ve always thought Blake was very attractive and looks amazing on red carpets. It makes me so sad to see how deeply insecure she is. Hollywood is not kind to women as they age. It seems like she’s going to have a lot of trouble adapting to that in the coming years and this lawsuit and PR crash out has not helped.

She and Ryan should just move the family somewhere quieter out of the city and just enjoy their wealth, but they won’t do it. It’s always more and more and more with them seems like. I predict a lot of plastic surgery, poorly staged pap walks and more bought media for them in the future.

Team Justin and I agree with this. I remember watching the movie and initially thinking “Blake looks fat”. But as the movie went on I started to think well good for her and the filmmakers for breaking down stereotypes and showing a normal sized lead actress (this is all before the scandal). I remember thinking this is good for the industry. Little did I know all the turmoil and insecurity behind the scenes.

Also lean more towards Justin’s side, but I watched the movie and never thought Blake looked fat. She is one of those actresses because she’s so tall and has broad shoulders and thick, long hair and big boobs, I feel like she carries extra weight really well. I thought she looked good, but I understand the standards are different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blake has horrific taste. Eye of the beholder but she is awful looking, and that video of her speaking about her stupid uncomfortable shoes, with her fake rack mid-breastfeeding spilling out and her entire ungainly look was certainly a choice.

She was not in shape mentally or physically for this role but she thought she could force everyone to ooh and ahh at her beauty as much as at anything else, so.

I’ve always thought Blake was very attractive and looks amazing on red carpets. It makes me so sad to see how deeply insecure she is. Hollywood is not kind to women as they age. It seems like she’s going to have a lot of trouble adapting to that in the coming years and this lawsuit and PR crash out has not helped.

She and Ryan should just move the family somewhere quieter out of the city and just enjoy their wealth, but they won’t do it. It’s always more and more and more with them seems like. I predict a lot of plastic surgery, poorly staged pap walks and more bought media for them in the future.

Team Justin and I agree with this. I remember watching the movie and initially thinking “Blake looks fat”. But as the movie went on I started to think well good for her and the filmmakers for breaking down stereotypes and showing a normal sized lead actress (this is all before the scandal). I remember thinking this is good for the industry. Little did I know all the turmoil and insecurity behind the scenes.

Also lean more towards Justin’s side, but I watched the movie and never thought Blake looked fat. She is one of those actresses because she’s so tall and has broad shoulders and thick, long hair and big boobs, I feel like she carries extra weight really well. I thought she looked good, but I understand the standards are different.

Yes I meant fat by Hollywood standards b/c we’re conditioned a certain way. But once I got past my own conditioning and biases, I was like this is kinda refreshing. That’s what I meant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this irrelevant to the case?

It’s relevant to the question of whether or not she was an employee. Wayfarer is arguing, and I agree, that she had far too much power to be considered an employee. If she is ruled an independent contractor she can’t even bring her title 7 claims.

I don't think the squabbling over which cut was released is relevant to whether or not she was an employee on the set. Wayfarer was the shooting studio, they ran the set. The question is whether or not Lively was an employee or an independent contractor *on that set* since that's where the alleged harassment is supposed to have taken place.

All the stuff about which cut was released is related to post-production, distribution, and marketing. Sony was the distribution studio. Blake isn't suing Sony and there's no conversation about whether she was an employee of Sony's.

I just don't think which cut Sony chose to release has any bearing on whether Blake was an employee on the set of the movie. They are separate operations, as per the agreement between Wayfarer and Sony.

The fact that Blake, who was nominally an actress, made her own cut is extremely relevant to her employment status. How many non-director, actors make their own cut? It all goes into the calculus of whether she had more control than a normal emp”eye send the answers is a definite yes with the facts that you are pushing.

She wasn't just an actress, she was also an executive producer:

"Yes, an executive producer (EP) can make their own cut of a film, particularly if they control the financing, own the production rights, or if the director lacks final cut authority. While usually focusing on business, EPs often review the editor's cut and can hire others to re-edit or reshoot scenes to ensure the project matches the studio's vision."

An executive producer is not inherently an independent contractor; they are generally considered employees under IRS and state labor laws if the production company controls their work. While they may operate through their own loan-out corporations to contract for services, they often fall under employee status due to the "right to control" exercised by studios or production companies.

But she never signed her contract so that’s a problem for her.

That does not control at all.