“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

[Anonymous]

This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

[Anonymous]

THIS IS WHY RELIGION SHOULD NOT BE USED TO MAKE LAWS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How can you use my body against my will?
I just don't get how this is not a right to life.
There are many amendments which state that power can NOT be taken away from the people unless the state has a compelling reason to do so. A bunch of old white men have never been compelling.

The unborn child is a pretty compelling reason.

What unborn 'child'? The sac of cells in my fallopian tube that will cause it to rupture is NOT a child honey.

This is a leftist death porn fantasy. Not even a Catholic hospital would refuse surgery in this case And no, the Irish case is not a good example because it was much more complicated in that their NHS can’t treat septicemia well

Id like some more information on the underlined- you need to be able to back that statement up and people are just glossing over it.

The "Irish case" as you refer to it has multiple notes where the deceased and her husband asked for termination and were told they cant until there is no fetal heartbeat unless the life of the mother is at risk. https://www.thejournal.ie/eighth-amendment-4-3977441-Apr2018/ Apparently you needed to be bleeding out but then it remains how many liters of blood do you need to lose before your life is at risk? is that something the states elected representatives get to determine? and you do know that blood liters are not consistent among individuals?

DP, and I also think this is beside the point. Maybe it's true that NHS is poor at treating septicemia. That's not a reason to let a woman die rather than terminate her pregnancy before septicemia sets in. In fact, that's why it's much better to give healthcare providers the discretion regarding what constitutes grave danger and viability. It varies based on the patients' underlying health and the availability of care in the actual circumstances a person is being treated. My parents and my late FIL are all physicians. They absolutely take into account where they get treated for something based on the capability of the given medical center. In an emergent situation, the medical professional needs to be able to decide the most sensible course of action within the specific circumstances. If NHS has poor outcomes for septicemia, avoiding septicemia should be a consideration in deciding a course of treatment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Yep, just look at Virginia.

[Anonymous]

You need to win the slogan war:

Women's Lives Matter
Mothers' Freedom to Live
Born an Orphan

Republicans are so much better at winning the sound-byte war and turning votes because they focus on the extreme cases that make a law while ignoring the run of the mill.

Democrats won the messaging war in Florida labeling the parental bill the "Don't Say Gay" bill. They need to focus on the visceral message to label this action. It has to have a grain of truth, it doesn't have to be completely accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

5 religious extremists after 50 years of settled law, reaffirmed EIGHTEEN times by many, many justices - including conservatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You need to win the slogan war:

Women's Lives Matter
Mothers' Freedom to Live
Born an Orphan

Republicans are so much better at winning the sound-byte war and turning votes because they focus on the extreme cases that make a law while ignoring the run of the mill.

Democrats won the messaging war in Florida labeling the parental bill the "Don't Say Gay" bill. They need to focus on the visceral message to label this action. It has to have a grain of truth, it doesn't have to be completely accurate.

Does “Get TF out of my vagina” have a nice ring to it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You need to win the slogan war:

Women's Lives Matter
Mothers' Freedom to Live
Born an Orphan

Republicans are so much better at winning the sound-byte war and turning votes because they focus on the extreme cases that make a law while ignoring the run of the mill.

Democrats won the messaging war in Florida labeling the parental bill the "Don't Say Gay" bill. They need to focus on the visceral message to label this action. It has to have a grain of truth, it doesn't have to be completely accurate.

Flip the script - “Abortion Saves Lives”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right wingers are all in on the enslavement of women. Who’s still trying to claim with a straight face that the GOP isn’t extremist?

Wow - I didn’t realize there were so few women Senators.

It’s distressing to read that someone didn’t know how few women there are in the Senate. We currently have 24 women in the Senate and I think 25 is the most we’ve ever had at one time. Prior to 2013, there had only been 39 women who served in the Senate since our founding. We have never had anything close to parity in representation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to win the slogan war:

Women's Lives Matter
Mothers' Freedom to Live
Born an Orphan

Republicans are so much better at winning the sound-byte war and turning votes because they focus on the extreme cases that make a law while ignoring the run of the mill.

Democrats won the messaging war in Florida labeling the parental bill the "Don't Say Gay" bill. They need to focus on the visceral message to label this action. It has to have a grain of truth, it doesn't have to be completely accurate.

Flip the script - “Abortion Saves Lives”

I know families where the children wouldn't exist today if the mother had not had access to abortion earlier in her life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right wingers are all in on the enslavement of women. Who’s still trying to claim with a straight face that the GOP isn’t extremist?

Wow - I didn’t realize there were so few women Senators.

It’s distressing to read that someone didn’t know how few women there are in the Senate. We currently have 24 women in the Senate and I think 25 is the most we’ve ever had at one time. Prior to 2013, there had only been 39 women who served in the Senate since our founding. We have never had anything close to parity in representation.

If you think the number of female Senators is bad, wait til you find out the number of female presidents!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a depressing thread. That a group of men (and one loony woman) have the right to take all American women's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion to end an unwanted pregnancy is horrifying. But here we are in 2022, and men are still calling the shots, controlling women.

Because women time and time again vote against their OWN interest. The interest of women.
Yeah, you have some who LOVE this ruling, but the majority don't. But I bet my bottom dollar that come november they will vote an R just like always and say it is becasue of taxes (though Rs want to raise middle class tax) or small business (yet Rs haven't done crap for small business) or education (Rs want to get rid of books that make moms have difficult convos with their kids) or some other BS story the Rs will push on them and they will vote to protect themselves from the 'big bad boogie man' that doesn't exist all the while letting the wolf into their homes and bedrooms without batting an eye.

This reminds me of a cartoon i love. It is an axe asking the forest to vote for him to be ruler because he is just like them, made of WOOD! He would never do anything to hurt them. He is just like them!!

Why should we still have to vote to fight for our human rights? The politicization of abortion is the problem. It should be standard healthcare. I’m a white woman and I have voted Democrat in every election of my life. What has it gotten me? What else can I do?

PP, I hear your frustration. I would flip your framing, you aren’t fighting for your rights, SCOTUS/GOP are TAKING AWAY our rights. Voting for Dems has stopped even more horrible bills passing. Think back on the Trump years. Do we really want to go back to that? And todays GOP are even more unhinged.

I know this is an unsatisfactory response. Believe me, I’m disappointed in Dem Congressional leadership. But then I see leaders like Malloy McMarrow and Katie Porter and I have hope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to win the slogan war:

Women's Lives Matter
Mothers' Freedom to Live
Born an Orphan

Republicans are so much better at winning the sound-byte war and turning votes because they focus on the extreme cases that make a law while ignoring the run of the mill.

Democrats won the messaging war in Florida labeling the parental bill the "Don't Say Gay" bill. They need to focus on the visceral message to label this action. It has to have a grain of truth, it doesn't have to be completely accurate.

Flip the script - “Abortion Saves Lives”

I know families where the children wouldn't exist today if the mother had not had access to abortion earlier in her life.

All reproductive decisions must remain with the patients from abortion to IVF. This is private and no one get to come into this these decisions uninvited.