CTCL schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah… “CTCL” simply signals second-rate LAC. Not sure why the affiliated are so eager to push the CTCL labeling when it actually seems to do them more of a disservice. I have a dear nephew who went to Bard and would find the designation a little odd. Certainly wouldn’t go around trying to advertise the CTCL label. He is very proud of Bard and it’s a great college, but he would speak of his experience at Bard specifically, not “CTCL” as a whole.

No one actually mentions that they went to a CTLC. Everyone says the name of the school

The parents in this thread are using the CTCL label plenty. “CTCL families tend to be secure” LOL.

The term also crops up quite often on DCUM when people are trying to describe where they or their child went. There was also an entire thread IIRC a few months ago where someone was trying to heavily promote the CTCL brand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah… “CTCL” simply signals second-rate LAC. Not sure why the affiliated are so eager to push the CTCL labeling when it actually seems to do them more of a disservice. I have a dear nephew who went to Bard and would find the designation a little odd. Certainly wouldn’t go around trying to advertise the CTCL label. He is very proud of Bard and it’s a great college, but he would speak of his experience at Bard specifically, not “CTCL” as a whole.

No one actually mentions that they went to a CTLC. Everyone says the name of the school

The parents in this thread are using the CTCL label plenty. “CTCL families tend to be secure” LOL.

The term also crops up quite often on DCUM when people are trying to describe where they or their child went. There was also an entire thread IIRC a few months ago where someone was trying to heavily promote the CTCL brand.

I thought we were talking about in real life

[Anonymous]

I have kids with varying levels of academic ability/achievement so I've visited LACs ranging from the most selective in America (in New England, the mid Atlantic and West--you know, a bunch of famous small colleges in the USNWR top 10) to the almost but not quite most selective in America (in the Midwest and West--basically, a bunch in the USNWR top 30 but mostly not in the top 10) to the not especially selective (in the Mid-Atlantic, Midwest and West--many of them being CTCLs). Most of the LACs seemed pretty warm and friendly, even if a few were surprisingly cold. To me, the CTCLs stood out as especially warm and friendly.

Yes, one of my kids who could get into an extremely selective college chose to go to an extremely selective college (after seriously considering a CTCL). And my kid who did choose to go to a CTCL was not a good candidate for any of the most selective ones, and didn't apply to any.

None of that changes the fact that there are literally tens of thousands of people who use the term CTCL and value the CTCL advice a lot. And none of that changes the fact that CTCLs tend to offer a style of education that most other colleges don't.

Hooray CTCL!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child isn't at a ctcl school and didn't apply to any of them. No dog in this fight, other than i know parents whose kids are attending, or have attended, ctcl colleges and valued their education tremendously.

I have no idea why the same person seems to post the same nasty comments over and over again any time anyone mentions a ctcl. What's wrong with you? Say it once to get the bile out of your system, and then go out and enjoy a summer day.!

It’s not the same person… very unhinged to constantly claim there is only one person.

I truly can't imagine anyone frothing at the mouth every time someone mentions ctcl. I find it hard to believe there is mote than one. Seems like one angry person nursing some hurt. Did Denison reject you? It's truly weird. Just a bunch of nice little colleges all in a book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have kids with varying levels of academic ability/achievement so I've visited LACs ranging from the most selective in America (in New England, the mid Atlantic and West--you know, a bunch of famous small colleges in the USNWR top 10) to the almost but not quite most selective in America (in the Midwest and West--basically, a bunch in the USNWR top 30 but mostly not in the top 10) to the not especially selective (in the Mid-Atlantic, Midwest and West--many of them being CTCLs). Most of the LACs seemed pretty warm and friendly, even if a few were surprisingly cold. To me, the CTCLs stood out as especially warm and friendly.

Yes, one of my kids who could get into an extremely selective college chose to go to an extremely selective college (after seriously considering a CTCL). And my kid who did choose to go to a CTCL was not a good candidate for any of the most selective ones, and didn't apply to any.

None of that changes the fact that there are literally tens of thousands of people who use the term CTCL and value the CTCL advice a lot. And none of that changes the fact that CTCLs tend to offer a style of education that most other colleges don't.

Hooray CTCL!

The posts from parents who have visited CTCL or have kids who attended one always sound so grounded and healthy. That may be one of their biggest selling points.

As opposed to the tone/froth/obsession that is conveyed by the army of one.

[Anonymous]

Still this insistence that there is only one person who thinks the CTCL moniker is a cringey marketing ploy? Incredibly odd behavior.

[Anonymous]

Genuine question, but did anyone adequately respond to the note about financial insolvency? It sounds like many of these schools may go bankrupt in the next couple of decades. Anyone have the pulse on the situation? Is that why the CTCL branding is being pushed so hard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Genuine question, but did anyone adequately respond to the note about financial insolvency? It sounds like many of these schools may go bankrupt in the next couple of decades. Anyone have the pulse on the situation? Is that why the CTCL branding is being pushed so hard?

*crickets*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Genuine question, but did anyone adequately respond to the note about financial insolvency? It sounds like many of these schools may go bankrupt in the next couple of decades. Anyone have the pulse on the situation? Is that why the CTCL branding is being pushed so hard?

Does it, though? It sounds to me like a random person on DCUM said that, with no supporting evidence.

[Anonymous]

My kid is headed to one of these schools. This was my concern when he was putting an application list together, regardless of the type or size of school. It was really all over the place, fiscal governance-wise. I think it reflects a wider reality. I found this list helpful:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/schifrin/2019/11/27/dawn-of-the-dead-for-hundreds-of-the-nations-private-colleges-its-merge-or-perish/?sh=7d4af2a6770d

His college rates a B+, which I'm fine with. We'll see if that grade changes, post pandemic. This is a really important thing for parents of younger kids to keep an eye on, as the high school class of 2026 will be much smaller than the present ones.

[Anonymous]

It's not looking pretty. Almost every single one of the "CTCL" schools is marked as "struggle" in Scott Galloway's assessment of colleges that was published and widely reported last year. You may remember that when that study first came out, the category was actually "perish" but it looks like they renamed the categories (probably due to pushback).

One of the colleges in that study that was already marked as "perish"/"struggle" has already closed: Marlboro College.

The next couple of decades are going to be a bloodbath for smaller, poorly funded colleges throughout the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not looking pretty. Almost every single one of the "CTCL" schools is marked as "struggle" in Scott Galloway's assessment of colleges that was published and widely reported last year. You may remember that when that study first came out, the category was actually "perish" but it looks like they renamed the categories (probably due to pushback).

One of the colleges in that study that was already marked as "perish"/"struggle" has already closed: Marlboro College.

The next couple of decades are going to be a bloodbath for smaller, poorly funded colleges throughout the country.

I should include the spreadsheet so you can take a look for yourself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CUs3HrqstC2oV3CF3_di4yW6Y4K_CIrUJNEEHCCKo7A/edit#gid=0

[Anonymous]

Funny, that's not the case on the Forbes list. Quite a mix, I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny, that's not the case on the Forbes list. Quite a mix, I think.

The Forbes list is from 2019. If you may recall, quite a few things have changed (and drastically) since 2019.

[Anonymous]

An assessment based on this year's Ipeds data would really be most helpful. I guess we'll have to wait. Of course someone is going to publish a "sky is falling" assessment at the beginning of a pandemic.