Skinny is the new moral/hard working and all other kind of superiority?

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Anonymous wrote:What ridiculous thing, " you don't know how skinny brains work!"
I am thin, I am 50 and have always been thin. I am right now making a huge pastry called burek to eat for breakfast! I crave sweets and love them. Speak for yourself pp!

What’s your point? You are not thin because you make eat some sort of sweet burek (?!) for breakfast. And you're definitely not thin because you think certain foods are punishment

Ha, ha. Another unhinged person who thinks she is morally superior bcs she eats veggies? LOL!
I am thin, I am definitely thin, and I never said I think certain foods are a punishment. That is yu projecting. I am a person eating loads of veggies, non-stop. That doesn't mean I don't eat pasty. It was a savory burek, btw. Here is a photo for your starved brain! You can't even comprehend that a person eating pasty is thin, that is how messed up you are!

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Anonymous wrote:My experience in life is that thin women very rarely think they are more moral or virtuous than other people. I'm a thin person and while I exercise and try to eat a nutritious diet, I know that my thinness is largely the result of luck and genetics. I've never assumed I was better than anyone because of my weight. I have fat people in my immediate family and I've seen firsthand how terribly they can be treated and how little people understand about fatness and weight loss. I've also seen how self-punishing they can be because of their weight and I never, ever want to add to anyone's negative self image.

But after years of being around women a lot, and thus hearing lots of women talk about bodies and weight loss, my observation is that the women who are most invested in the "thin=moral superiority" myth are people who are not naturally thin but who are close enough to thinness the they can achieve it through dieting, exercise (sometimes excessive amounts of both, sometimes not). I think this group drives the entire attitude because they are the one group who can say thinness is something you can achieve through hard work. Naturally thin people don't think this (we are thin regardless). And people who are actually fat usually understand that there are limits to how thin they will ever be, even with extreme interventions.

But women who are naturally a size 6 or 8, but can diet and exercise down to a 0 or 2, tend to be the most complimentary of my body, like it's an achievement (it's not). They also tend to be the most irritated when they discover that I don't have to diet to maintain a size 0. And they also tend to have the harshest things to say about people who are heavier than they are. Or they tend to say nasty or critical things about other women's bodies, commenting on someone's postpartum belly or the cellulite on someone's legs, stuff that it would never occur to me to point out because it seems cruel and tacky.

If anything comes from the body acceptance movement, I hope it's for women in this category (healthy weights but not necessarily thin) to just accept that they don't actually "need" to lose 20 pounds. And to stop tormenting the rest of us over that 20 pounds. Not everyone needs to be really thin. There are lots of different kinds of healthy bodies. And if your body isn't healthy, that's really your business and its unlikely that it's a simple fix that you are too lazy to implement -- most people want to be healthy.

I read your first paragraph and stopped at you calling your family fat.
You are pretty bad too. Didn't read the rest of your post since you clearly are judgy and regardless of your statements you used thin for yourself and fat for them. Forget societal politeness, right?

Fat is only a pejorative term if you think there is something wrong with being fat. I don't. It's descriptive, and it's how my relatives would describe themselves. It's also the term that the body acceptance movement embraces. "Overweight" implies that there is a weight someone is supposed to be. I could also say "big" but, people who are very caught up in weight and morality will take issue with that too. There is nothing wrong with being fat. And some people are fat, and they would be the first to tell you that.

How about I start calling you emaciated? What nonsense you wrote. Fat is pejorative, insulting, and rude.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience in life is that thin women very rarely think they are more moral or virtuous than other people. I'm a thin person and while I exercise and try to eat a nutritious diet, I know that my thinness is largely the result of luck and genetics. I've never assumed I was better than anyone because of my weight. I have fat people in my immediate family and I've seen firsthand how terribly they can be treated and how little people understand about fatness and weight loss. I've also seen how self-punishing they can be because of their weight and I never, ever want to add to anyone's negative self image.

But after years of being around women a lot, and thus hearing lots of women talk about bodies and weight loss, my observation is that the women who are most invested in the "thin=moral superiority" myth are people who are not naturally thin but who are close enough to thinness the they can achieve it through dieting, exercise (sometimes excessive amounts of both, sometimes not). I think this group drives the entire attitude because they are the one group who can say thinness is something you can achieve through hard work. Naturally thin people don't think this (we are thin regardless). And people who are actually fat usually understand that there are limits to how thin they will ever be, even with extreme interventions.

But women who are naturally a size 6 or 8, but can diet and exercise down to a 0 or 2, tend to be the most complimentary of my body, like it's an achievement (it's not). They also tend to be the most irritated when they discover that I don't have to diet to maintain a size 0. And they also tend to have the harshest things to say about people who are heavier than they are. Or they tend to say nasty or critical things about other women's bodies, commenting on someone's postpartum belly or the cellulite on someone's legs, stuff that it would never occur to me to point out because it seems cruel and tacky.

If anything comes from the body acceptance movement, I hope it's for women in this category (healthy weights but not necessarily thin) to just accept that they don't actually "need" to lose 20 pounds. And to stop tormenting the rest of us over that 20 pounds. Not everyone needs to be really thin. There are lots of different kinds of healthy bodies. And if your body isn't healthy, that's really your business and its unlikely that it's a simple fix that you are too lazy to implement -- most people want to be healthy.

I read your first paragraph and stopped at you calling your family fat.
You are pretty bad too. Didn't read the rest of your post since you clearly are judgy and regardless of your statements you used thin for yourself and fat for them. Forget societal politeness, right?

Fat is only a pejorative term if you think there is something wrong with being fat. I don't. It's descriptive, and it's how my relatives would describe themselves. It's also the term that the body acceptance movement embraces. "Overweight" implies that there is a weight someone is supposed to be. I could also say "big" but, people who are very caught up in weight and morality will take issue with that too. There is nothing wrong with being fat. And some people are fat, and they would be the first to tell you that.

How about I start calling you emaciated? What nonsense you wrote. Fat is pejorative, insulting, and rude.

Well, so is skinny, but hasn't stopped anyone from using it. It implies malnourishment and underweight.

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash, because you did not put ice cream in your mouth today doesn't make you morally superior to a person that did have ice cream today.
If you think it does, you are the person I am talking about. Prig that thinks eating a certain way and looking a certain way makes you better than those that are a bit heavier.

So then what does it make you if you chose to continue to do things bad for your body when you are already at an unhealthy weight? I wouldn’t say it is a moral issue. But it is an issue..

Do we really need to put a label on it? Why simple fact of eating scoop of ice cream should be judged and called an issue.

DP - If you want to eat ice cream knowing its unhealthy, then just do it and own it. Why do you care what other people think? You like the ice cream and want to eat it and apparently don't care about the consequences, but you're worried someone else is giving you the time of day to care more than you do about your own health? It's not happening nearly as much as you think it is.

Eating ice cream is not unhealthy. Eating ice cream should not be some kind of a guilt full activity that you will end up in hell for.
You are exactly the type of morally superior nasty person that is the topic of this thread. Nobody should ever give anyone a hard time or a time of day for their eating choices. But, you are. Because you are not the morally superior person that you think you are. If you were a morally decent person, you would never have posted such a nasty and judgy post.
Ugly.

Eating ice cream isn’t unhealthy, but if you are obese and eating a triple scoop waffle cone, then yes I will judge you. But you know that. Don’t worry, I will also judge a thin person doing them same, because eating that much is pretty gross no matter your size

Judge not, lest ye be judged (c)

Everyone judges. You can either care or not.

Those who judge cannot claim moral superiority over those who they judge. As simple as that.

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash, because you did not put ice cream in your mouth today doesn't make you morally superior to a person that did have ice cream today.
If you think it does, you are the person I am talking about. Prig that thinks eating a certain way and looking a certain way makes you better than those that are a bit heavier.

So then what does it make you if you chose to continue to do things bad for your body when you are already at an unhealthy weight? I wouldn’t say it is a moral issue. But it is an issue..

Do we really need to put a label on it? Why simple fact of eating scoop of ice cream should be judged and called an issue.

DP - If you want to eat ice cream knowing its unhealthy, then just do it and own it. Why do you care what other people think? You like the ice cream and want to eat it and apparently don't care about the consequences, but you're worried someone else is giving you the time of day to care more than you do about your own health? It's not happening nearly as much as you think it is.

I don't really care one way or another what people think about what I do, as in I would do it regardless of their opinion.

I'm just curious why they think it's OK to judge, and why they feel the need for the lable on other people actions.

Are you serious? Everyone labels actions. It’s part of being human and how we communicate.

If you don’t like your actions, change them—don’t get mad at human communication and the English language.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience in life is that thin women very rarely think they are more moral or virtuous than other people. I'm a thin person and while I exercise and try to eat a nutritious diet, I know that my thinness is largely the result of luck and genetics. I've never assumed I was better than anyone because of my weight. I have fat people in my immediate family and I've seen firsthand how terribly they can be treated and how little people understand about fatness and weight loss. I've also seen how self-punishing they can be because of their weight and I never, ever want to add to anyone's negative self image.

But after years of being around women a lot, and thus hearing lots of women talk about bodies and weight loss, my observation is that the women who are most invested in the "thin=moral superiority" myth are people who are not naturally thin but who are close enough to thinness the they can achieve it through dieting, exercise (sometimes excessive amounts of both, sometimes not). I think this group drives the entire attitude because they are the one group who can say thinness is something you can achieve through hard work. Naturally thin people don't think this (we are thin regardless). And people who are actually fat usually understand that there are limits to how thin they will ever be, even with extreme interventions.

But women who are naturally a size 6 or 8, but can diet and exercise down to a 0 or 2, tend to be the most complimentary of my body, like it's an achievement (it's not). They also tend to be the most irritated when they discover that I don't have to diet to maintain a size 0. And they also tend to have the harshest things to say about people who are heavier than they are. Or they tend to say nasty or critical things about other women's bodies, commenting on someone's postpartum belly or the cellulite on someone's legs, stuff that it would never occur to me to point out because it seems cruel and tacky.

If anything comes from the body acceptance movement, I hope it's for women in this category (healthy weights but not necessarily thin) to just accept that they don't actually "need" to lose 20 pounds. And to stop tormenting the rest of us over that 20 pounds. Not everyone needs to be really thin. There are lots of different kinds of healthy bodies. And if your body isn't healthy, that's really your business and its unlikely that it's a simple fix that you are too lazy to implement -- most people want to be healthy.

I read your first paragraph and stopped at you calling your family fat.
You are pretty bad too. Didn't read the rest of your post since you clearly are judgy and regardless of your statements you used thin for yourself and fat for them. Forget societal politeness, right?

Fat is only a pejorative term if you think there is something wrong with being fat. I don't. It's descriptive, and it's how my relatives would describe themselves. It's also the term that the body acceptance movement embraces. "Overweight" implies that there is a weight someone is supposed to be. I could also say "big" but, people who are very caught up in weight and morality will take issue with that too. There is nothing wrong with being fat. And some people are fat, and they would be the first to tell you that.

How about I start calling you emaciated? What nonsense you wrote. Fat is pejorative, insulting, and rude.

Only because you have decided there is something inherently wrong with being fat. If you called me emaciated, I'd probably point out that I am clearly not (I'm perfectly healthy and eat all the time) but I wouldn't be offended because I don't think there is a moral value to weight.

What term would you prefer? If we are going to have a conversation about different sized bodies, we need a way to describe them.

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash, because you did not put ice cream in your mouth today doesn't make you morally superior to a person that did have ice cream today.
If you think it does, you are the person I am talking about. Prig that thinks eating a certain way and looking a certain way makes you better than those that are a bit heavier.

So then what does it make you if you chose to continue to do things bad for your body when you are already at an unhealthy weight? I wouldn’t say it is a moral issue. But it is an issue..

Do we really need to put a label on it? Why simple fact of eating scoop of ice cream should be judged and called an issue.

DP - If you want to eat ice cream knowing its unhealthy, then just do it and own it. Why do you care what other people think? You like the ice cream and want to eat it and apparently don't care about the consequences, but you're worried someone else is giving you the time of day to care more than you do about your own health? It's not happening nearly as much as you think it is.

Eating ice cream is not unhealthy. Eating ice cream should not be some kind of a guilt full activity that you will end up in hell for.
You are exactly the type of morally superior nasty person that is the topic of this thread. Nobody should ever give anyone a hard time or a time of day for their eating choices. But, you are. Because you are not the morally superior person that you think you are. If you were a morally decent person, you would never have posted such a nasty and judgy post.
Ugly.

Eating ice cream isn’t unhealthy, but if you are obese and eating a triple scoop waffle cone, then yes I will judge you. But you know that. Don’t worry, I will also judge a thin person doing them same, because eating that much is pretty gross no matter your size

Judge not, lest ye be judged (c)

Everyone judges. You can either care or not.

Those who judge cannot claim moral superiority over those who they judge. As simple as that.

So then we are all even. Because the skinny shamers in here are doing some hard core judging themselves. Live and let live.

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash, because you did not put ice cream in your mouth today doesn't make you morally superior to a person that did have ice cream today.
If you think it does, you are the person I am talking about. Prig that thinks eating a certain way and looking a certain way makes you better than those that are a bit heavier.

So then what does it make you if you chose to continue to do things bad for your body when you are already at an unhealthy weight? I wouldn’t say it is a moral issue. But it is an issue..

Do we really need to put a label on it? Why simple fact of eating scoop of ice cream should be judged and called an issue.

DP - If you want to eat ice cream knowing its unhealthy, then just do it and own it. Why do you care what other people think? You like the ice cream and want to eat it and apparently don't care about the consequences, but you're worried someone else is giving you the time of day to care more than you do about your own health? It's not happening nearly as much as you think it is.

Eating ice cream is not unhealthy. Eating ice cream should not be some kind of a guilt full activity that you will end up in hell for.
You are exactly the type of morally superior nasty person that is the topic of this thread. Nobody should ever give anyone a hard time or a time of day for their eating choices. But, you are. Because you are not the morally superior person that you think you are. If you were a morally decent person, you would never have posted such a nasty and judgy post.
Ugly.

Eating ice cream isn’t unhealthy, but if you are obese and eating a triple scoop waffle cone, then yes I will judge you. But you know that. Don’t worry, I will also judge a thin person doing them same, because eating that much is pretty gross no matter your size

Judge not, lest ye be judged (c)

Everyone judges. You can either care or not.

Those who judge cannot claim moral superiority over those who they judge. As simple as that.

So then we are all even. Because the skinny shamers in here are doing some hard core judging themselves. Live and let live.

I'm glad you agree that we both have something to work on. Just remember it next time when you see me with 2 scoops of ice cream. Just assume it's my first ice cream in a month maybe, and probably will end up in the trashcan after first couple of bites as it's just too darn sweet

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash, because you did not put ice cream in your mouth today doesn't make you morally superior to a person that did have ice cream today.
If you think it does, you are the person I am talking about. Prig that thinks eating a certain way and looking a certain way makes you better than those that are a bit heavier.

So then what does it make you if you chose to continue to do things bad for your body when you are already at an unhealthy weight? I wouldn’t say it is a moral issue. But it is an issue..

Do we really need to put a label on it? Why simple fact of eating scoop of ice cream should be judged and called an issue.

DP - If you want to eat ice cream knowing its unhealthy, then just do it and own it. Why do you care what other people think? You like the ice cream and want to eat it and apparently don't care about the consequences, but you're worried someone else is giving you the time of day to care more than you do about your own health? It's not happening nearly as much as you think it is.

Eating ice cream is not unhealthy. Eating ice cream should not be some kind of a guilt full activity that you will end up in hell for.
You are exactly the type of morally superior nasty person that is the topic of this thread. Nobody should ever give anyone a hard time or a time of day for their eating choices. But, you are. Because you are not the morally superior person that you think you are. If you were a morally decent person, you would never have posted such a nasty and judgy post.
Ugly.

Eating ice cream isn’t unhealthy, but if you are obese and eating a triple scoop waffle cone, then yes I will judge you. But you know that. Don’t worry, I will also judge a thin person doing them same, because eating that much is pretty gross no matter your size

Judge not, lest ye be judged (c)

Everyone judges. You can either care or not.

Those who judge cannot claim moral superiority over those who they judge. As simple as that.

So then we are all even. Because the skinny shamers in here are doing some hard core judging themselves. Live and let live.

I'm glad you agree that we both have something to work on. Just remember it next time when you see me with 2 scoops of ice cream. Just assume it's my first ice cream in a month maybe, and probably will end up in the trashcan after first couple of bites as it's just too darn sweet

Dude, you are projecting way too many thoughts on me. I would never give you more than an askance glance. Work on your own issues and insecurities. That would be time better spent.

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash, because you did not put ice cream in your mouth today doesn't make you morally superior to a person that did have ice cream today.
If you think it does, you are the person I am talking about. Prig that thinks eating a certain way and looking a certain way makes you better than those that are a bit heavier.

So then what does it make you if you chose to continue to do things bad for your body when you are already at an unhealthy weight? I wouldn’t say it is a moral issue. But it is an issue..

Do we really need to put a label on it? Why simple fact of eating scoop of ice cream should be judged and called an issue.

DP - If you want to eat ice cream knowing its unhealthy, then just do it and own it. Why do you care what other people think? You like the ice cream and want to eat it and apparently don't care about the consequences, but you're worried someone else is giving you the time of day to care more than you do about your own health? It's not happening nearly as much as you think it is.

Eating ice cream is not unhealthy. Eating ice cream should not be some kind of a guilt full activity that you will end up in hell for.
You are exactly the type of morally superior nasty person that is the topic of this thread. Nobody should ever give anyone a hard time or a time of day for their eating choices. But, you are. Because you are not the morally superior person that you think you are. If you were a morally decent person, you would never have posted such a nasty and judgy post.
Ugly.

Eating ice cream isn’t unhealthy, but if you are obese and eating a triple scoop waffle cone, then yes I will judge you. But you know that. Don’t worry, I will also judge a thin person doing them same, because eating that much is pretty gross no matter your size

Judge not, lest ye be judged (c)

Everyone judges. You can either care or not.

Those who judge cannot claim moral superiority over those who they judge. As simple as that.

So then we are all even. Because the skinny shamers in here are doing some hard core judging themselves. Live and let live.

I wouldn’t say even. It is harder to make heathy food choices and lifestyle choices consistently and long term. If you are able to do it, then that is something to be admired. Being thin and heathy is admirable though because it does take work, discipline, and dedication. Why do you feel the need to negate this accomplishment. Because with the excess of every kind of food available, staying fit and heathy IS an accomplishment. But it isn’t everything. People can have other things admirable about them and other extraordinary accomplishments. Just as thin and heathy people can have negative qualities too.

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash, because you did not put ice cream in your mouth today doesn't make you morally superior to a person that did have ice cream today.
If you think it does, you are the person I am talking about. Prig that thinks eating a certain way and looking a certain way makes you better than those that are a bit heavier.

So then what does it make you if you chose to continue to do things bad for your body when you are already at an unhealthy weight? I wouldn’t say it is a moral issue. But it is an issue..

Do we really need to put a label on it? Why simple fact of eating scoop of ice cream should be judged and called an issue.

DP - If you want to eat ice cream knowing its unhealthy, then just do it and own it. Why do you care what other people think? You like the ice cream and want to eat it and apparently don't care about the consequences, but you're worried someone else is giving you the time of day to care more than you do about your own health? It's not happening nearly as much as you think it is.

Eating ice cream is not unhealthy. Eating ice cream should not be some kind of a guilt full activity that you will end up in hell for.
You are exactly the type of morally superior nasty person that is the topic of this thread. Nobody should ever give anyone a hard time or a time of day for their eating choices. But, you are. Because you are not the morally superior person that you think you are. If you were a morally decent person, you would never have posted such a nasty and judgy post.
Ugly.

Eating ice cream isn’t unhealthy, but if you are obese and eating a triple scoop waffle cone, then yes I will judge you. But you know that. Don’t worry, I will also judge a thin person doing them same, because eating that much is pretty gross no matter your size

Judge not, lest ye be judged (c)

Everyone judges. You can either care or not.

Those who judge cannot claim moral superiority over those who they judge. As simple as that.

So then we are all even. Because the skinny shamers in here are doing some hard core judging themselves. Live and let live.

I wouldn’t say even. It is harder to make heathy food choices and lifestyle choices consistently and long term. If you are able to do it, then that is something to be admired. Being thin and heathy is admirable though because it does take work, discipline, and dedication. Why do you feel the need to negate this accomplishment. Because with the excess of every kind of food available, staying fit and heathy IS an accomplishment. But it isn’t everything. People can have other things admirable about them and other extraordinary accomplishments. Just as thin and heathy people can have negative qualities too.

I'm speaking for myself here. I'm thin and eat well and workout daily. I do it for me because I like to push my body to see what it can do. I'm not doing it for accolades or respect and certainly wouldn't expect any. I don't see my lifestyle giving me moral superiority. I'm not sure where OP is even coming from. I just don't spend my days looking over my shoulder wondering what everyone is thinking of every move I make. I can't relate to that. I generally keep my head down and mind my own business. Why is OP so up in her feelings obsessing about what everyone else is thinking when mostly they aren't thinking about her at all?

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Anonymous wrote:My experience in life is that thin women very rarely think they are more moral or virtuous than other people. I'm a thin person and while I exercise and try to eat a nutritious diet, I know that my thinness is largely the result of luck and genetics. I've never assumed I was better than anyone because of my weight. I have fat people in my immediate family and I've seen firsthand how terribly they can be treated and how little people understand about fatness and weight loss. I've also seen how self-punishing they can be because of their weight and I never, ever want to add to anyone's negative self image.

But after years of being around women a lot, and thus hearing lots of women talk about bodies and weight loss, my observation is that the women who are most invested in the "thin=moral superiority" myth are people who are not naturally thin but who are close enough to thinness the they can achieve it through dieting, exercise (sometimes excessive amounts of both, sometimes not). I think this group drives the entire attitude because they are the one group who can say thinness is something you can achieve through hard work. Naturally thin people don't think this (we are thin regardless). And people who are actually fat usually understand that there are limits to how thin they will ever be, even with extreme interventions.

But women who are naturally a size 6 or 8, but can diet and exercise down to a 0 or 2, tend to be the most complimentary of my body, like it's an achievement (it's not). They also tend to be the most irritated when they discover that I don't have to diet to maintain a size 0. And they also tend to have the harshest things to say about people who are heavier than they are. Or they tend to say nasty or critical things about other women's bodies, commenting on someone's postpartum belly or the cellulite on someone's legs, stuff that it would never occur to me to point out because it seems cruel and tacky.

If anything comes from the body acceptance movement, I hope it's for women in this category (healthy weights but not necessarily thin) to just accept that they don't actually "need" to lose 20 pounds. And to stop tormenting the rest of us over that 20 pounds. Not everyone needs to be really thin. There are lots of different kinds of healthy bodies. And if your body isn't healthy, that's really your business and its unlikely that it's a simple fix that you are too lazy to implement -- most people want to be healthy.

Agree with this. It is the same with wealth. I was born wealthy, not insanely wealthy but there is enough generational wealth coming my way that I don't REALLY have to worry about things like my kid's college tuitions or my retirement (although I do save for both). My mom, who made that money, totally sees her success as a moral barometer. She was born poor and pulled herself up through a truly tremendous amount of hard work and a good dollop of good luck (good family etc).

I have just never had to worry about money, and I see that for what it is, a cosmic stroke of exceptional good luck. I didn't get the skinny luck! Anyway, same thing with money, some are poor, some are rich, some pulled themselves from one to the other via sheer will and it is that group that looks down on the poor the most.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience in life is that thin women very rarely think they are more moral or virtuous than other people. I'm a thin person and while I exercise and try to eat a nutritious diet, I know that my thinness is largely the result of luck and genetics. I've never assumed I was better than anyone because of my weight. I have fat people in my immediate family and I've seen firsthand how terribly they can be treated and how little people understand about fatness and weight loss. I've also seen how self-punishing they can be because of their weight and I never, ever want to add to anyone's negative self image.

But after years of being around women a lot, and thus hearing lots of women talk about bodies and weight loss, my observation is that the women who are most invested in the "thin=moral superiority" myth are people who are not naturally thin but who are close enough to thinness the they can achieve it through dieting, exercise (sometimes excessive amounts of both, sometimes not). I think this group drives the entire attitude because they are the one group who can say thinness is something you can achieve through hard work. Naturally thin people don't think this (we are thin regardless). And people who are actually fat usually understand that there are limits to how thin they will ever be, even with extreme interventions.

But women who are naturally a size 6 or 8, but can diet and exercise down to a 0 or 2, tend to be the most complimentary of my body, like it's an achievement (it's not). They also tend to be the most irritated when they discover that I don't have to diet to maintain a size 0. And they also tend to have the harshest things to say about people who are heavier than they are. Or they tend to say nasty or critical things about other women's bodies, commenting on someone's postpartum belly or the cellulite on someone's legs, stuff that it would never occur to me to point out because it seems cruel and tacky.

If anything comes from the body acceptance movement, I hope it's for women in this category (healthy weights but not necessarily thin) to just accept that they don't actually "need" to lose 20 pounds. And to stop tormenting the rest of us over that 20 pounds. Not everyone needs to be really thin. There are lots of different kinds of healthy bodies. And if your body isn't healthy, that's really your business and its unlikely that it's a simple fix that you are too lazy to implement -- most people want to be healthy.

Agree with this. It is the same with wealth. I was born wealthy, not insanely wealthy but there is enough generational wealth coming my way that I don't REALLY have to worry about things like my kid's college tuitions or my retirement (although I do save for both). My mom, who made that money, totally sees her success as a moral barometer. She was born poor and pulled herself up through a truly tremendous amount of hard work and a good dollop of good luck (good family etc).

I have just never had to worry about money, and I see that for what it is, a cosmic stroke of exceptional good luck. I didn't get the skinny luck! Anyway, same thing with money, some are poor, some are rich, some pulled themselves from one to the other via sheer will and it is that group that looks down on the poor the most.

Not the same thing. It requires very specific skills to go from poor to rich. Not everyone has those no matter what they do. They can not in poverty through normal effort, but to be rich is entirely different.

But no one has to be over weight. It doesn’t require special skills or knowledge to not over eat or to eat the bowl of oatmeal (that is cheap and quick) over the Cocoa Puffs or sausage McMuffin.

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Anonymous wrote:My experience in life is that thin women very rarely think they are more moral or virtuous than other people. I'm a thin person and while I exercise and try to eat a nutritious diet, I know that my thinness is largely the result of luck and genetics. I've never assumed I was better than anyone because of my weight. I have fat people in my immediate family and I've seen firsthand how terribly they can be treated and how little people understand about fatness and weight loss. I've also seen how self-punishing they can be because of their weight and I never, ever want to add to anyone's negative self image.

But after years of being around women a lot, and thus hearing lots of women talk about bodies and weight loss, my observation is that the women who are most invested in the "thin=moral superiority" myth are people who are not naturally thin but who are close enough to thinness the they can achieve it through dieting, exercise (sometimes excessive amounts of both, sometimes not). I think this group drives the entire attitude because they are the one group who can say thinness is something you can achieve through hard work. Naturally thin people don't think this (we are thin regardless). And people who are actually fat usually understand that there are limits to how thin they will ever be, even with extreme interventions.

But women who are naturally a size 6 or 8, but can diet and exercise down to a 0 or 2, tend to be the most complimentary of my body, like it's an achievement (it's not). They also tend to be the most irritated when they discover that I don't have to diet to maintain a size 0. And they also tend to have the harshest things to say about people who are heavier than they are. Or they tend to say nasty or critical things about other women's bodies, commenting on someone's postpartum belly or the cellulite on someone's legs, stuff that it would never occur to me to point out because it seems cruel and tacky.

If anything comes from the body acceptance movement, I hope it's for women in this category (healthy weights but not necessarily thin) to just accept that they don't actually "need" to lose 20 pounds. And to stop tormenting the rest of us over that 20 pounds. Not everyone needs to be really thin. There are lots of different kinds of healthy bodies. And if your body isn't healthy, that's really your business and its unlikely that it's a simple fix that you are too lazy to implement -- most people want to be healthy.

Agree with this. It is the same with wealth. I was born wealthy, not insanely wealthy but there is enough generational wealth coming my way that I don't REALLY have to worry about things like my kid's college tuitions or my retirement (although I do save for both). My mom, who made that money, totally sees her success as a moral barometer. She was born poor and pulled herself up through a truly tremendous amount of hard work and a good dollop of good luck (good family etc).

I have just never had to worry about money, and I see that for what it is, a cosmic stroke of exceptional good luck. I didn't get the skinny luck! Anyway, same thing with money, some are poor, some are rich, some pulled themselves from one to the other via sheer will and it is that group that looks down on the poor the most.

Not the same thing. It requires very specific skills to go from poor to rich. Not everyone has those no matter what they do. They can not in poverty through normal effort, but to be rich is entirely different.

But no one has to be over weight. It doesn’t require special skills or knowledge to not over eat or to eat the bowl of oatmeal (that is cheap and quick) over the Cocoa Puffs or sausage McMuffin.

Not everyone has the skills to go from fat to skinny either. And it doesn't require specific skills all the time, it generally requires cultivated skills. My mom for example joined the army to pay for medical school. She just in fact sacrificed a lot and worked hard and was smart enough to pull it off. So she's the size 8, has the self discipline to make herself rich even though she started behind the starting line because she was born with smarts and ambition enough to pull it off.

I'm the size 2, born this way and can only lose it through excessive stupidity. And unfortunately there are plenty of size 16s in this analogy, born into difficult circumstances where only those few chosen 8s will make it out.

The fact that you don't think its the same shows how little you understand about the obesity epidemic on a large scale.

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I’m a naturally thin person (genetics) and I’ve lost weight during COVID despite not having time to exercise. It’s pure anxiety. My mental health is out of whack. I’m not making healthy food choices, I just have been too stressed to eat. I think I look better with a few extra pounds (and have an easier time conceiving). I’ve been trying for #3, but no dice for almost a year and I think it’s stress and losing any padding I have. I’d rather get back to being happier and have a few extra pounds on me. I wish I could simply enjoy a bowl of ice cream.

I don’t know, I just don’t see thinness as some moral victory. We all have our struggles that play out different ways. I never judge based on appearance because that never tells you what someone is really going through. People would probably say I “look great” right now, but inside I’m an anxious mess who cannot focus.