Can we have an honest, good faith conversation about fat acceptance and body positivity?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow do people not know tons of big law lawyers who are really good at their jobs and also fat? It’s almost like being a dedicated conscientious person doesn’t have much to do with your body weight!

Anyway we need to just leave fat people alone. Telling them and others that they are unhealthy and are just making excuses to be unhealthy doesn’t do anything. How about we instead make healthy food accessible, make gym memberships and health breaks a part of the work force, get grocery stores in food deserts, spend more money on school lunches to make them healthy AND taste good, etc. Those things would actually make a difference , not looking at a fat person eating ice cream and saying “ick!”

Healthy food is available. Anyone can talk a walk. It doesn't really matter. People choose to eat junk because it tastes better (to many), as pointed out. As long as high calorie junk food is being sold, enough people will continue to buy it/eat it over healthier foods time and time again.

To add: No one should feel hatred toward another person because of how they look. That is wrong. I don't think overweight people are "ick" I feel bad for them because I know it is a struggle in many different ways. But your thinking doesn't help the epidemic. It isn't the lack of gym memberships, the work day, or someone's income that causes obesity. It is part food addiction, part bad habits around food, part poor choices in food. The solution is entirely down to personal choices. That doesn't make it easy; but it is what it is. I don't think less than anyone because they aren't able to make the continuous choices needed to lose weight or stay at a healthy weight. It is hard. But my trying to place blame on the food industry, the workplace, schools...the solution isn't there.

Do you disagree that putting the blame on tobacco companies solved the smoking crisis? That putting the onus on car companies for car safety was wrong? This is how it has been throughout history. When someone can make a buck, and in this case a lottttta bucks on a human weakness they will. You can blame the human weakness and nothing will happen, or you can blame the industry and less people die.

When I hear people talk like this I continue to be convinced that you care a lot more about fat people understanding their moral failings then actually doing anything to solve the crisis.

[Anonymous]

People that get weight loss surgery become addicted to alcohol and drugs easily. They aren't fat anymore but their issues are actually more deadly.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow do people not know tons of big law lawyers who are really good at their jobs and also fat? It’s almost like being a dedicated conscientious person doesn’t have much to do with your body weight!

Anyway we need to just leave fat people alone. Telling them and others that they are unhealthy and are just making excuses to be unhealthy doesn’t do anything. How about we instead make healthy food accessible, make gym memberships and health breaks a part of the work force, get grocery stores in food deserts, spend more money on school lunches to make them healthy AND taste good, etc. Those things would actually make a difference , not looking at a fat person eating ice cream and saying “ick!”

Healthy food is available. Anyone can talk a walk. It doesn't really matter. People choose to eat junk because it tastes better (to many), as pointed out. As long as high calorie junk food is being sold, enough people will continue to buy it/eat it over healthier foods time and time again.

To add: No one should feel hatred toward another person because of how they look. That is wrong. I don't think overweight people are "ick" I feel bad for them because I know it is a struggle in many different ways. But your thinking doesn't help the epidemic. It isn't the lack of gym memberships, the work day, or someone's income that causes obesity. It is part food addiction, part bad habits around food, part poor choices in food. The solution is entirely down to personal choices. That doesn't make it easy; but it is what it is. I don't think less than anyone because they aren't able to make the continuous choices needed to lose weight or stay at a healthy weight. It is hard. But my trying to place blame on the food industry, the workplace, schools...the solution isn't there.

Do you disagree that putting the blame on tobacco companies solved the smoking crisis? That putting the onus on car companies for car safety was wrong? This is how it has been throughout history. When someone can make a buck, and in this case a lottttta bucks on a human weakness they will. You can blame the human weakness and nothing will happen, or you can blame the industry and less people die.

When I hear people talk like this I continue to be convinced that you care a lot more about fat people understanding their moral failings then actually doing anything to solve the crisis.

Everyone has to eat. You can't edit away obesity by way of the food industry. One cigarette is harmful to you, one time in the car without seatbelt could be fetal. Eating one McDs hamburger is not harmful. Drinking one coke a week is fine and you won't be able to prove any scientific harm from that. As long as people have easy access to good tasting foods that they don't have to go to through trouble and time to prepare and cook..you will have over eating and obesity in large numbers. There is no solution that does not include a large amount of self control and good choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow do people not know tons of big law lawyers who are really good at their jobs and also fat? It’s almost like being a dedicated conscientious person doesn’t have much to do with your body weight!

Anyway we need to just leave fat people alone. Telling them and others that they are unhealthy and are just making excuses to be unhealthy doesn’t do anything. How about we instead make healthy food accessible, make gym memberships and health breaks a part of the work force, get grocery stores in food deserts, spend more money on school lunches to make them healthy AND taste good, etc. Those things would actually make a difference , not looking at a fat person eating ice cream and saying “ick!”

Healthy food is available. Anyone can talk a walk. It doesn't really matter. People choose to eat junk because it tastes better (to many), as pointed out. As long as high calorie junk food is being sold, enough people will continue to buy it/eat it over healthier foods time and time again.

To add: No one should feel hatred toward another person because of how they look. That is wrong. I don't think overweight people are "ick" I feel bad for them because I know it is a struggle in many different ways. But your thinking doesn't help the epidemic. It isn't the lack of gym memberships, the work day, or someone's income that causes obesity. It is part food addiction, part bad habits around food, part poor choices in food. The solution is entirely down to personal choices. That doesn't make it easy; but it is what it is. I don't think less than anyone because they aren't able to make the continuous choices needed to lose weight or stay at a healthy weight. It is hard. But my trying to place blame on the food industry, the workplace, schools...the solution isn't there.

Do you disagree that putting the blame on tobacco companies solved the smoking crisis? That putting the onus on car companies for car safety was wrong? This is how it has been throughout history. When someone can make a buck, and in this case a lottttta bucks on a human weakness they will. You can blame the human weakness and nothing will happen, or you can blame the industry and less people die.

When I hear people talk like this I continue to be convinced that you care a lot more about fat people understanding their moral failings then actually doing anything to solve the crisis.

Everyone has to eat. You can't edit away obesity by way of the food industry. One cigarette is harmful to you, one time in the car without seatbelt could be fetal. Eating one McDs hamburger is not harmful. Drinking one coke a week is fine and you won't be able to prove any scientific harm from that. As long as people have easy access to good tasting foods that they don't have to go to through trouble and time to prepare and cook..you will have over eating and obesity in large numbers. There is no solution that does not include a large amount of self control and good choices.

Can we just start small? Not ban McD and ice-cream, but regulate sugar content in the products that shouldn't have it to begging with? Bread, deli meat, etc. Remove sugary drinks from school-provided breakfast and lunches.
I enjoy occasional burger and fries, but on the regular basis I go to the grocery store with magnifying glass to make sure the normal food I buy is not infused with sugar. And let me tell you - it's not easy.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow do people not know tons of big law lawyers who are really good at their jobs and also fat? It’s almost like being a dedicated conscientious person doesn’t have much to do with your body weight!

Anyway we need to just leave fat people alone. Telling them and others that they are unhealthy and are just making excuses to be unhealthy doesn’t do anything. How about we instead make healthy food accessible, make gym memberships and health breaks a part of the work force, get grocery stores in food deserts, spend more money on school lunches to make them healthy AND taste good, etc. Those things would actually make a difference , not looking at a fat person eating ice cream and saying “ick!”

Healthy food is available. Anyone can talk a walk. It doesn't really matter. People choose to eat junk because it tastes better (to many), as pointed out. As long as high calorie junk food is being sold, enough people will continue to buy it/eat it over healthier foods time and time again.

To add: No one should feel hatred toward another person because of how they look. That is wrong. I don't think overweight people are "ick" I feel bad for them because I know it is a struggle in many different ways. But your thinking doesn't help the epidemic. It isn't the lack of gym memberships, the work day, or someone's income that causes obesity. It is part food addiction, part bad habits around food, part poor choices in food. The solution is entirely down to personal choices. That doesn't make it easy; but it is what it is. I don't think less than anyone because they aren't able to make the continuous choices needed to lose weight or stay at a healthy weight. It is hard. But my trying to place blame on the food industry, the workplace, schools...the solution isn't there.

Do you disagree that putting the blame on tobacco companies solved the smoking crisis? That putting the onus on car companies for car safety was wrong? This is how it has been throughout history. When someone can make a buck, and in this case a lottttta bucks on a human weakness they will. You can blame the human weakness and nothing will happen, or you can blame the industry and less people die.

When I hear people talk like this I continue to be convinced that you care a lot more about fat people understanding their moral failings then actually doing anything to solve the crisis.

Everyone has to eat. You can't edit away obesity by way of the food industry. One cigarette is harmful to you, one time in the car without seatbelt could be fetal. Eating one McDs hamburger is not harmful. Drinking one coke a week is fine and you won't be able to prove any scientific harm from that. As long as people have easy access to good tasting foods that they don't have to go to through trouble and time to prepare and cook..you will have over eating and obesity in large numbers. There is no solution that does not include a large amount of self control and good choices.

These are ridiculous counterarguments. One cigarette is not really that harmful to you. One cigarette a week is probably no worse than eating bacon or drinking a bunch of aspartame.

Everyone has to eat, which is what makes this so difficult. No one tells an opioid addict that they have to keep using but just a LOT LESS. It doesn't work. No alcoholic is expected to just have a beer once a day.

There are policies that would work. Changing requirements for kid's school lunches, for what products are marketed to children, having intervention programs for kids and teens, there are things. The calories on menus at restaurants is a good example. But you want to keep blaming the people, the people individually you can find blame, but again, when people are making money off of human weakness they will find a way. You have to go after the people who are actively exploiting the weakness.

Let's say there are three potential groups of humans at birth (very oversimplified for the purposes of making my point):

1) People destined to be a healthy weight

2) People who could go one way or another depending on the world around them

3) People destined to be obese

Nothing to be done about group 3, but group 2 is a big group. Group 2 could be changed by simply removing things from the path in front of them, removing commercials for big macs, telling them that the drink they are ordering is 1000 calories before they order it, having a doctor intervene when they are at a 27 BMI instead of a 35 BMI. Group 2 is the people you think should just stop being lazy and do it themselves or never get fat in the first place. But everyone is better off if group 2 never gets fat or if they can lose the weight. So it is in society's larger best interest to support these broad systemic interventions.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow do people not know tons of big law lawyers who are really good at their jobs and also fat? It’s almost like being a dedicated conscientious person doesn’t have much to do with your body weight!

Anyway we need to just leave fat people alone. Telling them and others that they are unhealthy and are just making excuses to be unhealthy doesn’t do anything. How about we instead make healthy food accessible, make gym memberships and health breaks a part of the work force, get grocery stores in food deserts, spend more money on school lunches to make them healthy AND taste good, etc. Those things would actually make a difference , not looking at a fat person eating ice cream and saying “ick!”

Healthy food is available. Anyone can talk a walk. It doesn't really matter. People choose to eat junk because it tastes better (to many), as pointed out. As long as high calorie junk food is being sold, enough people will continue to buy it/eat it over healthier foods time and time again.

To add: No one should feel hatred toward another person because of how they look. That is wrong. I don't think overweight people are "ick" I feel bad for them because I know it is a struggle in many different ways. But your thinking doesn't help the epidemic. It isn't the lack of gym memberships, the work day, or someone's income that causes obesity. It is part food addiction, part bad habits around food, part poor choices in food. The solution is entirely down to personal choices. That doesn't make it easy; but it is what it is. I don't think less than anyone because they aren't able to make the continuous choices needed to lose weight or stay at a healthy weight. It is hard. But my trying to place blame on the food industry, the workplace, schools...the solution isn't there.

Do you disagree that putting the blame on tobacco companies solved the smoking crisis? That putting the onus on car companies for car safety was wrong? This is how it has been throughout history. When someone can make a buck, and in this case a lottttta bucks on a human weakness they will. You can blame the human weakness and nothing will happen, or you can blame the industry and less people die.

When I hear people talk like this I continue to be convinced that you care a lot more about fat people understanding their moral failings then actually doing anything to solve the crisis.

Everyone has to eat. You can't edit away obesity by way of the food industry. One cigarette is harmful to you, one time in the car without seatbelt could be fetal. Eating one McDs hamburger is not harmful. Drinking one coke a week is fine and you won't be able to prove any scientific harm from that. As long as people have easy access to good tasting foods that they don't have to go to through trouble and time to prepare and cook..you will have over eating and obesity in large numbers. There is no solution that does not include a large amount of self control and good choices.

Can we just start small? Not ban McD and ice-cream, but regulate sugar content in the products that shouldn't have it to begging with? Bread, deli meat, etc. Remove sugary drinks from school-provided breakfast and lunches.
I enjoy occasional burger and fries, but on the regular basis I go to the grocery store with magnifying glass to make sure the normal food I buy is not infused with sugar. And let me tell you - it's not easy.

DP here (not Big Law but I agree with her).

Most breads need sugar for yeast to rise. I bake my bread so I know that. However, the amount of sugar in regular bread is usually pretty small - like 1 tbsp per 3 cups of flour (that's 2 or 3 max per one slice of even commercially produced bread). The flour itself, however, is very high in carbs so even if it would have been possible not to add any sugar at all, it wouldn't make any difference.

If someone wants to lose weight he or she needs either to ditch bread altogether for some period of time or eat much less of it. So in the end, everything still boils down to personal choice.

Same with deli meat, the amount of sugar is pretty small (3-4 grams per 2 oz serving). But it does add up if you eat too much... personal choice again )

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I think body positivity is fine, and a great thing, when applied appropriately. But there is definitely a problem with body positivity that ignores reality. 99% of people that are obese are unhealthy and can reverse their clinical obesity if they start making healthier lifestyle choices.

All these excuses are garbage.

Start with drinking more water. Then cut out the hooch. Start actually moving - walking. Then start eating more intentionally. The weight will come off. I did it as a partner in a big law firm during COVID. Anybody can do this.

Congrats on your big changes poster. But they are statistically insignificant until/unless you maintain them 5+ years. Good luck, you’ll be an outlier if you do.

Well, it’s been a year, so I don’t think keeping this up will be much of a problem. Why be such a douche bag? Honestly?

What I posted is the truth. None of this is that hard. For me to gain all that weight back would an astonishing accomplishment. I’m not even sure it’s even possible.

Wow, with that intelligence you made partner in BigLaw?

You gained it once. You can most definitely gain it again, and having been obese your body now wants to be obese again and will work against you at every turn - that’s decades of obesity research findings and the experience of ~95% of obese people who lose weight and within 5-10 years gain it all back, plus some.

Good luck. Hope you are religiously lifting weights.

Well, as it turns out, the same things that make you successful as a professional are also the same things that make you successful if you are trying to cut down your weight. Consistency. Consistency. Consistency.

Having been at this for some time now, my body does not "want[] to be obese again and [has not been] work[ing] against [me] at every turn." Its actually quite the opposite. But, I achieved that by fundamentally changing my outlook on my lifestyle and working hard to turn things around. It took me 13 years to put all the weight on, and a year to take it off. It won't be coming back as you predict.

As to the research - of course I am aware of the research. All that research does is confirm that people that lose weight aren't making the right sustainable lifestyle choices necessary to correct all the bad habits they developed that got themselves in their obesity position to begin with. Not exactly a shocking revelation there. My GP was talking the same jibba jabba and I proved him wrong again last time with my numbers. Crazy this self-defining destiny thing called life.

Be negative about this all you want. People can make a change and do ALL THE TIME, despite negative nancys like yourself that want to act like obesity is a systematic problem unrelated to a person's actual choices and something that can't be altered. I am not Dr. Phil, and you aren't going to convince me its the cheesecake's fault.

At least you got the muscle mass shtick partially correct. Though, I don't lift heavy weights like I did in undergrad. Mostly just high rep circuit training these days. XOXO

So if you're so smart and consistent, however did you let yourself get fat in the first place? I mean your so perfect now right? Nothing could ever happen to take you bake there right. GTFOH. So self-righteous. Nobody gives a F$@ck, about what you did in undergrad. Every study out there has said that once you have been fat you will be fighting it the rest of your life. Every study. I lost 120lbs and have kept it off for 3 years but it is a constant struggle. People who have never been fat certainly do not have that same struggle you know it. How do explain that? The moment I deviant from the plan I gain weight. If I eat a slice of cake and ice cream today, 3lbs will show up tomorrow and I have to do double time exercising and cutting back on calories the next 5 days to make it disappear. But my skinny sister who has always been skinny can eat the same cake and ice cream for 3 days straight and not gain a pound.

But we know Mr Lawyer man. You.Are.So.Smart. All of the billions and billions of dollars spent on trying to figure this out has been a total waste. They should have just asked and some of the other dumba$$es on this thread. If y"all got it figured out, bottle that $hit and sell it. I mean it's easy right?

I am honestly not sure why you are so angry, and why you felt the need to come in here and lash out at me to tell me I am going to fail. Maybe you are angry at yourself.

Beyond that, I am glad you lost so much weight. For that, you should be proud of the accomplishment. I am sure it was a lot of hard work.

As for myself: "however did you let yourself get fat in the first place?" Well, I could blame my work and stop there. And, that would be the truth. But, it wouldn't be the entire truth. It was a lifestyle that I built around my work. Its pretty easy to make incredibly poor decisions when your job involves trying to avoid an import ban on couple of billion dollars of product. Or, staying up all night for months on end working. Have you ever worked a 3000 hour year? Or, surprise 12 hour flights to a random country to take a deposition. So, that is how it happened. And, I am not proud of allowing it to happen, but it did. I also had a friend die in a bathtub at the age of 55 from a heart attack who was doing the same thing I do, and was at the terminal end of the path I was on. So, we have that.

I am not here to shame anybody. I am here to discuss the actual truth of all this. And this is not the truth: "If I eat a slice of cake and ice cream today, 3lbs will show up tomorrow and I have to do double time exercising and cutting back on calories the next 5 days to make it disappear. But my skinny sister who has always been skinny can eat the same cake and ice cream for 3 days straight and not gain a pound." That is ludicrous.

What we need is honestly about all this. Yet, now that honesty is shaming it will never happen. So, it is what it is. I am just going to keep doing me.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow do people not know tons of big law lawyers who are really good at their jobs and also fat? It’s almost like being a dedicated conscientious person doesn’t have much to do with your body weight!

Anyway we need to just leave fat people alone. Telling them and others that they are unhealthy and are just making excuses to be unhealthy doesn’t do anything. How about we instead make healthy food accessible, make gym memberships and health breaks a part of the work force, get grocery stores in food deserts, spend more money on school lunches to make them healthy AND taste good, etc. Those things would actually make a difference , not looking at a fat person eating ice cream and saying “ick!”

Healthy food is available. Anyone can talk a walk. It doesn't really matter. People choose to eat junk because it tastes better (to many), as pointed out. As long as high calorie junk food is being sold, enough people will continue to buy it/eat it over healthier foods time and time again.

To add: No one should feel hatred toward another person because of how they look. That is wrong. I don't think overweight people are "ick" I feel bad for them because I know it is a struggle in many different ways. But your thinking doesn't help the epidemic. It isn't the lack of gym memberships, the work day, or someone's income that causes obesity. It is part food addiction, part bad habits around food, part poor choices in food. The solution is entirely down to personal choices. That doesn't make it easy; but it is what it is. I don't think less than anyone because they aren't able to make the continuous choices needed to lose weight or stay at a healthy weight. It is hard. But my trying to place blame on the food industry, the workplace, schools...the solution isn't there.

Do you disagree that putting the blame on tobacco companies solved the smoking crisis? That putting the onus on car companies for car safety was wrong? This is how it has been throughout history. When someone can make a buck, and in this case a lottttta bucks on a human weakness they will. You can blame the human weakness and nothing will happen, or you can blame the industry and less people die.

When I hear people talk like this I continue to be convinced that you care a lot more about fat people understanding their moral failings then actually doing anything to solve the crisis.

Everyone has to eat. You can't edit away obesity by way of the food industry. One cigarette is harmful to you, one time in the car without seatbelt could be fetal. Eating one McDs hamburger is not harmful. Drinking one coke a week is fine and you won't be able to prove any scientific harm from that. As long as people have easy access to good tasting foods that they don't have to go to through trouble and time to prepare and cook..you will have over eating and obesity in large numbers. There is no solution that does not include a large amount of self control and good choices.

Can we just start small? Not ban McD and ice-cream, but regulate sugar content in the products that shouldn't have it to begging with? Bread, deli meat, etc. Remove sugary drinks from school-provided breakfast and lunches.
I enjoy occasional burger and fries, but on the regular basis I go to the grocery store with magnifying glass to make sure the normal food I buy is not infused with sugar. And let me tell you - it's not easy.

DP here (not Big Law but I agree with her).

Most breads need sugar for yeast to rise. I bake my bread so I know that. However, the amount of sugar in regular bread is usually pretty small - like 1 tbsp per 3 cups of flour (that's 2 or 3 max per one slice of even commercially produced bread). The flour itself, however, is very high in carbs so even if it would have been possible not to add any sugar at all, it wouldn't make any difference.

If someone wants to lose weight he or she needs either to ditch bread altogether for some period of time or eat much less of it. So in the end, everything still boils down to personal choice.

Same with deli meat, the amount of sugar is pretty small (3-4 grams per 2 oz serving). But it does add up if you eat too much... personal choice again )

I bake bread too and aware of amount of sugar needed. 90%+ of the bread on supermarket shelfs has much more then that. Check the labels
3-4 g on 2 oz is not a minimal amount, it means that 7-10% of that serving is sugar!
Whether to eat or not eat bread/lunch meat/ketchup is besides the point. Food industry infuse majority of products with sugar as flavor enhancers, therefore normal food became an addictive drug. My personal choice is to bake my own bread and roast some meat for sandwiches, but I have time and means to do it.
Majority of the society (you included - see your comment about minimal non-harmful amount of sugar) is blind to the effect of added sugar and what it does to the population in general. Those small amounts kills your pancreas overtime, wreck metabolism, but nobody cares. It's personal choices, right?

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I mean just watch this video if you think there is no government and corporate guilt in this epidemic!

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I think body positivity is fine, and a great thing, when applied appropriately. But there is definitely a problem with body positivity that ignores reality. 99% of people that are obese are unhealthy and can reverse their clinical obesity if they start making healthier lifestyle choices.

All these excuses are garbage.

Start with drinking more water. Then cut out the hooch. Start actually moving - walking. Then start eating more intentionally. The weight will come off. I did it as a partner in a big law firm during COVID. Anybody can do this.

Congrats on your big changes poster. But they are statistically insignificant until/unless you maintain them 5+ years. Good luck, you’ll be an outlier if you do.

Well, it’s been a year, so I don’t think keeping this up will be much of a problem. Why be such a douche bag? Honestly?

What I posted is the truth. None of this is that hard. For me to gain all that weight back would an astonishing accomplishment. I’m not even sure it’s even possible.

Wow, with that intelligence you made partner in BigLaw?

You gained it once. You can most definitely gain it again, and having been obese your body now wants to be obese again and will work against you at every turn - that’s decades of obesity research findings and the experience of ~95% of obese people who lose weight and within 5-10 years gain it all back, plus some.

Good luck. Hope you are religiously lifting weights.

Well, as it turns out, the same things that make you successful as a professional are also the same things that make you successful if you are trying to cut down your weight. Consistency. Consistency. Consistency.

Having been at this for some time now, my body does not "want[] to be obese again and [has not been] work[ing] against [me] at every turn." Its actually quite the opposite. But, I achieved that by fundamentally changing my outlook on my lifestyle and working hard to turn things around. It took me 13 years to put all the weight on, and a year to take it off. It won't be coming back as you predict.

As to the research - of course I am aware of the research. All that research does is confirm that people that lose weight aren't making the right sustainable lifestyle choices necessary to correct all the bad habits they developed that got themselves in their obesity position to begin with. Not exactly a shocking revelation there. My GP was talking the same jibba jabba and I proved him wrong again last time with my numbers. Crazy this self-defining destiny thing called life.

Be negative about this all you want. People can make a change and do ALL THE TIME, despite negative nancys like yourself that want to act like obesity is a systematic problem unrelated to a person's actual choices and something that can't be altered. I am not Dr. Phil, and you aren't going to convince me its the cheesecake's fault.

At least you got the muscle mass shtick partially correct. Though, I don't lift heavy weights like I did in undergrad. Mostly just high rep circuit training these days. XOXO

So if you're so smart and consistent, however did you let yourself get fat in the first place? I mean your so perfect now right? Nothing could ever happen to take you bake there right. GTFOH. So self-righteous. Nobody gives a F$@ck, about what you did in undergrad. Every study out there has said that once you have been fat you will be fighting it the rest of your life. Every study. I lost 120lbs and have kept it off for 3 years but it is a constant struggle. People who have never been fat certainly do not have that same struggle you know it. How do explain that? The moment I deviant from the plan I gain weight. If I eat a slice of cake and ice cream today, 3lbs will show up tomorrow and I have to do double time exercising and cutting back on calories the next 5 days to make it disappear. But my skinny sister who has always been skinny can eat the same cake and ice cream for 3 days straight and not gain a pound.

But we know Mr Lawyer man. You.Are.So.Smart. All of the billions and billions of dollars spent on trying to figure this out has been a total waste. They should have just asked and some of the other dumba$$es on this thread. If y"all got it figured out, bottle that $hit and sell it. I mean it's easy right?

I am honestly not sure why you are so angry, and why you felt the need to come in here and lash out at me to tell me I am going to fail. Maybe you are angry at yourself.

Beyond that, I am glad you lost so much weight. For that, you should be proud of the accomplishment. I am sure it was a lot of hard work.

As for myself: "however did you let yourself get fat in the first place?" Well, I could blame my work and stop there. And, that would be the truth. But, it wouldn't be the entire truth. It was a lifestyle that I built around my work. Its pretty easy to make incredibly poor decisions when your job involves trying to avoid an import ban on couple of billion dollars of product. Or, staying up all night for months on end working. Have you ever worked a 3000 hour year? Or, surprise 12 hour flights to a random country to take a deposition. So, that is how it happened. And, I am not proud of allowing it to happen, but it did. I also had a friend die in a bathtub at the age of 55 from a heart attack who was doing the same thing I do, and was at the terminal end of the path I was on. So, we have that.

I am not here to shame anybody. I am here to discuss the actual truth of all this. And this is not the truth: "If I eat a slice of cake and ice cream today, 3lbs will show up tomorrow and I have to do double time exercising and cutting back on calories the next 5 days to make it disappear. But my skinny sister who has always been skinny can eat the same cake and ice cream for 3 days straight and not gain a pound." That is ludicrous.

What we need is honestly about all this. Yet, now that honesty is shaming it will never happen. So, it is what it is. I am just going to keep doing me.

DP, and one who has not previously engaged with you Big Law. People are reacting this way to you because your posts come across as egotistical and judgmental and lacking in empathy. In case you are actually wondering.

You HAVE come across as shaming people through your posts. I haven't been personally upset by you but I see where others were.

You say things are not the truth because they were not the truth FOR YOU but they are the truth for others. The situation you describe is hyperbolic but has been fairly true for me. I was diagnosed with PCOS in my 20s and kind of just threw in the towel on weight loss and ended up gaining like 30 pounds. I, like PP, found that unless I cut things out entirely, I gained, and I couldn't maintain a whole life on atkins so I just honestly decided to accept myself and deal.

I found intermittent fasting a year ago which controls my insulin spikes through diet and I have lost 40 pounds and haven't had to cut any foods out entirely. It is a manageable path for me. But I was someone who could not process insulin, and for whom, as a direct result, gaining weight was easy but losing weight was hard.

People are pushing back against you because you are not acknowledging the truth of weight loss. Which is that some strategies will work for some people and fail for others because the reasons each person is obese are different and the paths to a normal weight are, as a result, different. This is evident on this board, where people like me will say IF is the solution and others will say it doesn't work. When some will say exercise is the solution and for some it doesn't work. Cutting out carbs was the only way Susan could do it but when Debbie tried she regained and yoyo dieted for the next 10 years. It is different for everyone, and this isn't just because the Debbie's of the world need to buckle down, its because Debbie's body and needs are different than Susan's.

And because science doesn't have a good answer, we give obese people these 80 paths and expect them to work through them one at a time. You found one that worked for you and now seem committed to saying its the only way and because you did it everyone else should too. That is stupid, seriously. If it was easy everyone would do it. Very very very few people actually take pride in being fat. You want to discuss the actual truth and ignore all the people telling you that study after study has been done on diet and exercise as an intervention and on the population level it does not work. Seeing the truth of that and supporting infrastructural changes to address the crisis isn't the same as telling people who struggle with their weight that there is no point in eating healthy or exercising.

I agree with you that the answer should not be that there is no solution so there's no point in trying. I learned myself that was not the right path to take. But I am also very sure that the right path is not telling people just to eat less cheeseburgers and gaslighting them about their own experiences. Real talk is frequently just a cover for cruelty, and that is how you are coming across.

A poster in the early pages said that what they hoped would happen was a body neutrality movement and I like that a lot. There is no need to festishize fatness to help people love themselves. Your body is your body, its the only one you have and you should love it. But like many things you can take care of it well or poorly, it doesn't mean you can't still love it and that you are not worthy of love.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow do people not know tons of big law lawyers who are really good at their jobs and also fat? It’s almost like being a dedicated conscientious person doesn’t have much to do with your body weight!

Anyway we need to just leave fat people alone. Telling them and others that they are unhealthy and are just making excuses to be unhealthy doesn’t do anything. How about we instead make healthy food accessible, make gym memberships and health breaks a part of the work force, get grocery stores in food deserts, spend more money on school lunches to make them healthy AND taste good, etc. Those things would actually make a difference , not looking at a fat person eating ice cream and saying “ick!”

Healthy food is available. Anyone can talk a walk. It doesn't really matter. People choose to eat junk because it tastes better (to many), as pointed out. As long as high calorie junk food is being sold, enough people will continue to buy it/eat it over healthier foods time and time again.

To add: No one should feel hatred toward another person because of how they look. That is wrong. I don't think overweight people are "ick" I feel bad for them because I know it is a struggle in many different ways. But your thinking doesn't help the epidemic. It isn't the lack of gym memberships, the work day, or someone's income that causes obesity. It is part food addiction, part bad habits around food, part poor choices in food. The solution is entirely down to personal choices. That doesn't make it easy; but it is what it is. I don't think less than anyone because they aren't able to make the continuous choices needed to lose weight or stay at a healthy weight. It is hard. But my trying to place blame on the food industry, the workplace, schools...the solution isn't there.

Do you disagree that putting the blame on tobacco companies solved the smoking crisis? That putting the onus on car companies for car safety was wrong? This is how it has been throughout history. When someone can make a buck, and in this case a lottttta bucks on a human weakness they will. You can blame the human weakness and nothing will happen, or you can blame the industry and less people die.

When I hear people talk like this I continue to be convinced that you care a lot more about fat people understanding their moral failings then actually doing anything to solve the crisis.

Everyone has to eat. You can't edit away obesity by way of the food industry. One cigarette is harmful to you, one time in the car without seatbelt could be fetal. Eating one McDs hamburger is not harmful. Drinking one coke a week is fine and you won't be able to prove any scientific harm from that. As long as people have easy access to good tasting foods that they don't have to go to through trouble and time to prepare and cook..you will have over eating and obesity in large numbers. There is no solution that does not include a large amount of self control and good choices.

Can we just start small? Not ban McD and ice-cream, but regulate sugar content in the products that shouldn't have it to begging with? Bread, deli meat, etc. Remove sugary drinks from school-provided breakfast and lunches.
I enjoy occasional burger and fries, but on the regular basis I go to the grocery store with magnifying glass to make sure the normal food I buy is not infused with sugar. And let me tell you - it's not easy.

DP here (not Big Law but I agree with her).

Most breads need sugar for yeast to rise. I bake my bread so I know that. However, the amount of sugar in regular bread is usually pretty small - like 1 tbsp per 3 cups of flour (that's 2 or 3 max per one slice of even commercially produced bread). The flour itself, however, is very high in carbs so even if it would have been possible not to add any sugar at all, it wouldn't make any difference.

If someone wants to lose weight he or she needs either to ditch bread altogether for some period of time or eat much less of it. So in the end, everything still boils down to personal choice.

Same with deli meat, the amount of sugar is pretty small (3-4 grams per 2 oz serving). But it does add up if you eat too much... personal choice again )

I bake bread too and aware of amount of sugar needed. 90%+ of the bread on supermarket shelfs has much more then that. Check the labels
3-4 g on 2 oz is not a minimal amount, it means that 7-10% of that serving is sugar!
Whether to eat or not eat bread/lunch meat/ketchup is besides the point. Food industry infuse majority of products with sugar as flavor enhancers, therefore normal food became an addictive drug. My personal choice is to bake my own bread and roast some meat for sandwiches, but I have time and means to do it.
Majority of the society (you included - see your comment about minimal non-harmful amount of sugar) is blind to the effect of added sugar and what it does to the population in general. Those small amounts kills your pancreas overtime, wreck metabolism, but nobody cares. It's personal choices, right?

No I am not blind, in fact I lost 33 lbs by going low carb and creating calorie deficit. So trust me I know a LOT about hidden carbs. Even so, I am absolutely positive that 3 grams of sugar in 60 grams of deli meat is not much.

Let me rephrase it - i doesn't matter what percentage of that meat is sugar because if you eat 2 oz deli meat you will still consume only 3 g of sugar.

Three. grams.

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I’m obese. I hate it. I was the gorgeous, healthy, skinny woman everyone envied before I was long-term sexually harassed at work and went on medication for depression and anxiety. I was milested by my father repeatedly in ES so that I may be a bit sensitive to the workplace issue.

Now, I’m afraid to leave the house I don’t want anyone to see how fat I am. I take lithium and abilify, which cause weight gain.

I’m fine to pay extra for a seat on an airplane, but I’m also a millionaire.

I’d give anything to have a friend to walk with, but obesity is a lonely thing. My doctor has no advice for me. Last appointment, he just shrugged when I asked for exercise ideas. I can’t afford a personal trainer because, while I have money, I also don’t work so I need to save it. (I’m not on disability.)

I’d give anything to not be shamed. I feel like the shaming closes me in. There’s no way out. My only comfort is that I will die early and be done with this miserable life.

This made me cry. I am sorry.

Same.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow do people not know tons of big law lawyers who are really good at their jobs and also fat? It’s almost like being a dedicated conscientious person doesn’t have much to do with your body weight!

Anyway we need to just leave fat people alone. Telling them and others that they are unhealthy and are just making excuses to be unhealthy doesn’t do anything. How about we instead make healthy food accessible, make gym memberships and health breaks a part of the work force, get grocery stores in food deserts, spend more money on school lunches to make them healthy AND taste good, etc. Those things would actually make a difference , not looking at a fat person eating ice cream and saying “ick!”

Healthy food is available. Anyone can talk a walk. It doesn't really matter. People choose to eat junk because it tastes better (to many), as pointed out. As long as high calorie junk food is being sold, enough people will continue to buy it/eat it over healthier foods time and time again.

To add: No one should feel hatred toward another person because of how they look. That is wrong. I don't think overweight people are "ick" I feel bad for them because I know it is a struggle in many different ways. But your thinking doesn't help the epidemic. It isn't the lack of gym memberships, the work day, or someone's income that causes obesity. It is part food addiction, part bad habits around food, part poor choices in food. The solution is entirely down to personal choices. That doesn't make it easy; but it is what it is. I don't think less than anyone because they aren't able to make the continuous choices needed to lose weight or stay at a healthy weight. It is hard. But my trying to place blame on the food industry, the workplace, schools...the solution isn't there.

Do you disagree that putting the blame on tobacco companies solved the smoking crisis? That putting the onus on car companies for car safety was wrong? This is how it has been throughout history. When someone can make a buck, and in this case a lottttta bucks on a human weakness they will. You can blame the human weakness and nothing will happen, or you can blame the industry and less people die.

When I hear people talk like this I continue to be convinced that you care a lot more about fat people understanding their moral failings then actually doing anything to solve the crisis.

Everyone has to eat. You can't edit away obesity by way of the food industry. One cigarette is harmful to you, one time in the car without seatbelt could be fetal. Eating one McDs hamburger is not harmful. Drinking one coke a week is fine and you won't be able to prove any scientific harm from that. As long as people have easy access to good tasting foods that they don't have to go to through trouble and time to prepare and cook..you will have over eating and obesity in large numbers. There is no solution that does not include a large amount of self control and good choices.

Can we just start small? Not ban McD and ice-cream, but regulate sugar content in the products that shouldn't have it to begging with? Bread, deli meat, etc. Remove sugary drinks from school-provided breakfast and lunches.
I enjoy occasional burger and fries, but on the regular basis I go to the grocery store with magnifying glass to make sure the normal food I buy is not infused with sugar. And let me tell you - it's not easy.

DP here (not Big Law but I agree with her).

Most breads need sugar for yeast to rise. I bake my bread so I know that. However, the amount of sugar in regular bread is usually pretty small - like 1 tbsp per 3 cups of flour (that's 2 or 3 max per one slice of even commercially produced bread). The flour itself, however, is very high in carbs so even if it would have been possible not to add any sugar at all, it wouldn't make any difference.

If someone wants to lose weight he or she needs either to ditch bread altogether for some period of time or eat much less of it. So in the end, everything still boils down to personal choice.

Same with deli meat, the amount of sugar is pretty small (3-4 grams per 2 oz serving). But it does add up if you eat too much... personal choice again )

I bake bread too and aware of amount of sugar needed. 90%+ of the bread on supermarket shelfs has much more then that. Check the labels
3-4 g on 2 oz is not a minimal amount, it means that 7-10% of that serving is sugar!
Whether to eat or not eat bread/lunch meat/ketchup is besides the point. Food industry infuse majority of products with sugar as flavor enhancers, therefore normal food became an addictive drug. My personal choice is to bake my own bread and roast some meat for sandwiches, but I have time and means to do it.
Majority of the society (you included - see your comment about minimal non-harmful amount of sugar) is blind to the effect of added sugar and what it does to the population in general. Those small amounts kills your pancreas overtime, wreck metabolism, but nobody cares. It's personal choices, right?

No I am not blind, in fact I lost 33 lbs by going low carb and creating calorie deficit. So trust me I know a LOT about hidden carbs. Even so, I am absolutely positive that 3 grams of sugar in 60 grams of deli meat is not much.

Let me rephrase it - i doesn't matter what percentage of that meat is sugar because if you eat 2 oz deli meat you will still consume only 3 g of sugar.

Three. grams.

This amount should be 0. period. Sugar has no place in deli meat. Add extra sugar in the bread, dressing etc- and you have a dessert instead of apparently healthy lunch. And it is a huge problem, especially for those of us who prone to metabolic issues such as insulin resistance. And I'm not alone - Just check stats for metabolic diseases. You'll see that's way beyond personal choices, it's systematic issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow do people not know tons of big law lawyers who are really good at their jobs and also fat? It’s almost like being a dedicated conscientious person doesn’t have much to do with your body weight!

Anyway we need to just leave fat people alone. Telling them and others that they are unhealthy and are just making excuses to be unhealthy doesn’t do anything. How about we instead make healthy food accessible, make gym memberships and health breaks a part of the work force, get grocery stores in food deserts, spend more money on school lunches to make them healthy AND taste good, etc. Those things would actually make a difference , not looking at a fat person eating ice cream and saying “ick!”

Healthy food is available. Anyone can talk a walk. It doesn't really matter. People choose to eat junk because it tastes better (to many), as pointed out. As long as high calorie junk food is being sold, enough people will continue to buy it/eat it over healthier foods time and time again.

To add: No one should feel hatred toward another person because of how they look. That is wrong. I don't think overweight people are "ick" I feel bad for them because I know it is a struggle in many different ways. But your thinking doesn't help the epidemic. It isn't the lack of gym memberships, the work day, or someone's income that causes obesity. It is part food addiction, part bad habits around food, part poor choices in food. The solution is entirely down to personal choices. That doesn't make it easy; but it is what it is. I don't think less than anyone because they aren't able to make the continuous choices needed to lose weight or stay at a healthy weight. It is hard. But my trying to place blame on the food industry, the workplace, schools...the solution isn't there.

Do you disagree that putting the blame on tobacco companies solved the smoking crisis? That putting the onus on car companies for car safety was wrong? This is how it has been throughout history. When someone can make a buck, and in this case a lottttta bucks on a human weakness they will. You can blame the human weakness and nothing will happen, or you can blame the industry and less people die.

When I hear people talk like this I continue to be convinced that you care a lot more about fat people understanding their moral failings then actually doing anything to solve the crisis.

Everyone has to eat. You can't edit away obesity by way of the food industry. One cigarette is harmful to you, one time in the car without seatbelt could be fetal. Eating one McDs hamburger is not harmful. Drinking one coke a week is fine and you won't be able to prove any scientific harm from that. As long as people have easy access to good tasting foods that they don't have to go to through trouble and time to prepare and cook..you will have over eating and obesity in large numbers. There is no solution that does not include a large amount of self control and good choices.

Can we just start small? Not ban McD and ice-cream, but regulate sugar content in the products that shouldn't have it to begging with? Bread, deli meat, etc. Remove sugary drinks from school-provided breakfast and lunches.
I enjoy occasional burger and fries, but on the regular basis I go to the grocery store with magnifying glass to make sure the normal food I buy is not infused with sugar. And let me tell you - it's not easy.

DP here (not Big Law but I agree with her).

Most breads need sugar for yeast to rise. I bake my bread so I know that. However, the amount of sugar in regular bread is usually pretty small - like 1 tbsp per 3 cups of flour (that's 2 or 3 max per one slice of even commercially produced bread). The flour itself, however, is very high in carbs so even if it would have been possible not to add any sugar at all, it wouldn't make any difference.

If someone wants to lose weight he or she needs either to ditch bread altogether for some period of time or eat much less of it. So in the end, everything still boils down to personal choice.

Same with deli meat, the amount of sugar is pretty small (3-4 grams per 2 oz serving). But it does add up if you eat too much... personal choice again )

I bake bread too and aware of amount of sugar needed. 90%+ of the bread on supermarket shelfs has much more then that. Check the labels
3-4 g on 2 oz is not a minimal amount, it means that 7-10% of that serving is sugar!
Whether to eat or not eat bread/lunch meat/ketchup is besides the point. Food industry infuse majority of products with sugar as flavor enhancers, therefore normal food became an addictive drug. My personal choice is to bake my own bread and roast some meat for sandwiches, but I have time and means to do it.
Majority of the society (you included - see your comment about minimal non-harmful amount of sugar) is blind to the effect of added sugar and what it does to the population in general. Those small amounts kills your pancreas overtime, wreck metabolism, but nobody cares. It's personal choices, right?

False. Sugar does not kill your pancreas or wreck your metabolism- as long as you burn and use up the energy it produces and it doesn't get put on as stored fat. Don't eat more than you burn and no problems.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow do people not know tons of big law lawyers who are really good at their jobs and also fat? It’s almost like being a dedicated conscientious person doesn’t have much to do with your body weight!

Anyway we need to just leave fat people alone. Telling them and others that they are unhealthy and are just making excuses to be unhealthy doesn’t do anything. How about we instead make healthy food accessible, make gym memberships and health breaks a part of the work force, get grocery stores in food deserts, spend more money on school lunches to make them healthy AND taste good, etc. Those things would actually make a difference , not looking at a fat person eating ice cream and saying “ick!”

Healthy food is available. Anyone can talk a walk. It doesn't really matter. People choose to eat junk because it tastes better (to many), as pointed out. As long as high calorie junk food is being sold, enough people will continue to buy it/eat it over healthier foods time and time again.

To add: No one should feel hatred toward another person because of how they look. That is wrong. I don't think overweight people are "ick" I feel bad for them because I know it is a struggle in many different ways. But your thinking doesn't help the epidemic. It isn't the lack of gym memberships, the work day, or someone's income that causes obesity. It is part food addiction, part bad habits around food, part poor choices in food. The solution is entirely down to personal choices. That doesn't make it easy; but it is what it is. I don't think less than anyone because they aren't able to make the continuous choices needed to lose weight or stay at a healthy weight. It is hard. But my trying to place blame on the food industry, the workplace, schools...the solution isn't there.

Do you disagree that putting the blame on tobacco companies solved the smoking crisis? That putting the onus on car companies for car safety was wrong? This is how it has been throughout history. When someone can make a buck, and in this case a lottttta bucks on a human weakness they will. You can blame the human weakness and nothing will happen, or you can blame the industry and less people die.

When I hear people talk like this I continue to be convinced that you care a lot more about fat people understanding their moral failings then actually doing anything to solve the crisis.

Everyone has to eat. You can't edit away obesity by way of the food industry. One cigarette is harmful to you, one time in the car without seatbelt could be fetal. Eating one McDs hamburger is not harmful. Drinking one coke a week is fine and you won't be able to prove any scientific harm from that. As long as people have easy access to good tasting foods that they don't have to go to through trouble and time to prepare and cook..you will have over eating and obesity in large numbers. There is no solution that does not include a large amount of self control and good choices.

Can we just start small? Not ban McD and ice-cream, but regulate sugar content in the products that shouldn't have it to begging with? Bread, deli meat, etc. Remove sugary drinks from school-provided breakfast and lunches.
I enjoy occasional burger and fries, but on the regular basis I go to the grocery store with magnifying glass to make sure the normal food I buy is not infused with sugar. And let me tell you - it's not easy.

DP here (not Big Law but I agree with her).

Most breads need sugar for yeast to rise. I bake my bread so I know that. However, the amount of sugar in regular bread is usually pretty small - like 1 tbsp per 3 cups of flour (that's 2 or 3 max per one slice of even commercially produced bread). The flour itself, however, is very high in carbs so even if it would have been possible not to add any sugar at all, it wouldn't make any difference.

If someone wants to lose weight he or she needs either to ditch bread altogether for some period of time or eat much less of it. So in the end, everything still boils down to personal choice.

Same with deli meat, the amount of sugar is pretty small (3-4 grams per 2 oz serving). But it does add up if you eat too much... personal choice again )

I bake bread too and aware of amount of sugar needed. 90%+ of the bread on supermarket shelfs has much more then that. Check the labels
3-4 g on 2 oz is not a minimal amount, it means that 7-10% of that serving is sugar!
Whether to eat or not eat bread/lunch meat/ketchup is besides the point. Food industry infuse majority of products with sugar as flavor enhancers, therefore normal food became an addictive drug. My personal choice is to bake my own bread and roast some meat for sandwiches, but I have time and means to do it.
Majority of the society (you included - see your comment about minimal non-harmful amount of sugar) is blind to the effect of added sugar and what it does to the population in general. Those small amounts kills your pancreas overtime, wreck metabolism, but nobody cares. It's personal choices, right?

No I am not blind, in fact I lost 33 lbs by going low carb and creating calorie deficit. So trust me I know a LOT about hidden carbs. Even so, I am absolutely positive that 3 grams of sugar in 60 grams of deli meat is not much.

Let me rephrase it - i doesn't matter what percentage of that meat is sugar because if you eat 2 oz deli meat you will still consume only 3 g of sugar.

Three. grams.

This amount should be 0. period. Sugar has no place in deli meat. Add extra sugar in the bread, dressing etc- and you have a dessert instead of apparently healthy lunch. And it is a huge problem, especially for those of us who prone to metabolic issues such as insulin resistance. And I'm not alone - Just check stats for metabolic diseases. You'll see that's way beyond personal choices, it's systematic issue.

Most metabolic issues are from eating too much, storing extra fat. If you weren't overweight and didn't have metabolic issues, a small amount of sugar in a deli meat isn't going to be an issue. Sure they and should take it out- but that isn't really what the problem is